HP 2605DN printing problem

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Tony said:
Tony
The distance apart of the defects indicate either the Fuser Sleeve (2.22
inches) or
the Transfer Belt (ETB Rollers (2.15 inches). As a general rule fuser sleeve
issues are permanent and will show on every page but I have seen rare
exceptions.
The fuser is fiddly to remove and examine on this printer but fuser sleeve
problems are usually easy to see when you gat to look at the sleeve.
My guess is the ETB rollers, these turn the transfer belt but on this printer
are also part of the paper transport.
You can download the Color LaserJet 2600 service manual from
http://www.feedroller.com/Store/hp_manuals.php
This is mechanically almost identical to your model except it has no duplexer
(the 2600 is also host based) and it should give assistance in troubleshooting.
I have a high regard for HP printers but this particular series is not one of
their best, they tend to be troublesome with some very weird issues.
I have the full manual for the 2605DN and will willingly send it to you if you
ask in this forum or e-mail me at the address above.
Good luck
Tony
MS MVP Printing Image

Tony can I get a copy of the manual my email photoptic at gmail

or a place to download.

thanks
r
 
Tony said:
The distance apart of the defects indicate either the Fuser Sleeve (2.22
inches) or
the Transfer Belt (ETB Rollers (2.15 inches). As a general rule fuser sleeve
issues are permanent and will show on every page but I have seen rare
exceptions.

Whoops. I mismeasured. My apologies. The lines are 2 5/32's apart or 2.15" so it's
the ETB rollers.

But how could the ETB rollers get a defect like this? That doesn't make any sense at
all to me.
My guess is the ETB rollers, these turn the transfer belt but on this printer
are also part of the paper transport.

Good guess. Yes, I see how the ETB moves the paper in front to fhe drums.
You can download the Color LaserJet 2600 service manual from
http://www.feedroller.com/Store/hp_manuals.php

Thanks. Interesting reading that.
I have a high regard for HP printers but this particular series is not one of
their best, they tend to be troublesome with some very weird issues.

Yeah, that's for sure. What really ticks me is that I'm on the original toners. I
haven't yet replaced them. Although I'm down to 10% on the black. So it was
getting close.

That magenta splotch means replacing the magenta toner cartridge, right? Given that
I'm getting near to the end of the life of the toner cartridges I'm not going to
bother fixing the printer. Just throw it out. And never buy an HP product again.
I have the full manual for the 2605DN and will willingly send it to you if you
ask in this forum or e-mail me at the address above.

Thanks but not needed.

Tony
 
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That magenta splotch means replacing the magenta toner cartridge, right? Given that
I'm getting near to the end of the life of the toner cartridges I'm not going to
bother fixing the printer. Just throw it out. And never buy an HP product again.

And here we see exactly what is wrong with the business model HP and
other printer companies use, in terms of environmental impact. A very
sad state of affairs.

I would consider contacting HP about this and see if they might consider
this a defect. The drum shouldn't be failing at such a small volume.
 
Arthur Entlich said:
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Only if it's in this newsgroup.
And here we see exactly what is wrong with the business model HP and
other printer companies use, in terms of environmental impact. A very
sad state of affairs.

HP are trying to make money on the sale of additional toner cartridges. Well, I can
assure the readers that it will be some other manufacturer who will be making money
off the toner cartridges.
I would consider contacting HP about this and see if they might consider
this a defect. The drum shouldn't be failing at such a small volume.

The drum that is failing is part of the cartridge.

HP online support have stated that it's out of warranty.

Tony
 
Tony Toews said:
Whoops. I mismeasured. My apologies. The lines are 2 5/32's apart or 2.15" so it's
the ETB rollers.

But how could the ETB rollers get a defect like this? That doesn't make any sense at
all to me.

Could that magenta splotch somehow be causing the lines problem? I don't mind
purchasing a new magenta cartridge if there was a strong probability it would solve
the lines problem.

Tony
 
Tony said:
Only if it's in this newsgroup.

That was supposed to be my sig, but it accidentally ended up at the top
of the posting. There are a number of blog commentaries I have written
there regarding the nature of the printing manufacturers and how to
avoid some of their very costly business model. So no, it is not "in
this newsgroup". It's on Microsoft's Spaces Live blog site.
HP are trying to make money on the sale of additional toner cartridges. Well, I can
assure the readers that it will be some other manufacturer who will be making money
off the toner cartridges.

I'm guessing that the splotch is toner leakage from the magenta
cartridge, since it is only showing up after numerous pages. It seems
like some toner is building up somewhere and then being dumped onto the
paper. This is usually due to a seal failing, or a waste toner storage
area having become overfilled. However, the lines (your sample shows a
cyan line and a magenta) are another issue, and I would agree with Tony
(thebengaltiger) that it is likely a defect with the transfer belt, or
paper slippage due to a gear slipping a tooth, either way, under a
non-warranty situation, probably costly.

The drum that is failing is part of the cartridge.

Yes, I am aware of the fact that HP has used integrated toner cartridges
and drums for probably 25 years now and I own several HP printers (both
black and white and color), however, you mentioned the printer was
relatively new, and it was the original toner cartridge which came with
the printer. Since it was not empty, and it seems to have failed, I
would consider that a fairly premature failure, since the drum unit
should at least last the full use of the cartridge, if not several
refillings.

Although I recognize that the amount of toner being used per copy
determines when the toner will run out of any specific color cartridge,
and therefore also how many pages go through the printer, it seems to me
it would not be unreasonable to expect the drum unit to outlast the
toner fill.
HP online support have stated that it's out of warranty.

Would you mind letting us know how old is the printer, and how many
pages went through it. I think this type of information can be helpful
for people considering purchases. Hp was known as making some of the
best laser printers for years, but their reputation and reliability
seems to be slipping, and one of the values of public forums such as
this is to inform people of hands on experiences which may help others
to make better buying decisions.

I don;t know how far out of warranty the unit is, but you can sometimes
reason with customer service on these types of issues. I do recognize
that the cost of shipping may be a consideration as well.

Lastly, if all else fails, HP has a "takeback" program in the US where
they will take their own products back for recycling, usually at no or
minimal cost, if you wish to reduce the impact of discarding your printer.

Art
 
Arthur Entlich said:
Would you mind letting us know how old is the printer,

2006 12 23
and how many pages went through it.

2492 black and 1957 colour.
Lastly, if all else fails, HP has a "takeback" program in the US where
they will take their own products back for recycling, usually at no or
minimal cost, if you wish to reduce the impact of discarding your printer.

A friends employer has a number of high speed printers and knows some repair techs.
So I will be giving my printer to him to pass on. So it'll become a parts printer.

Tony
 
Tony said:
The manual is less than clear other than to advise that a defect 2.15" apart is
caused by the ETB rollers. I have not seen this defect (the repeated lines) in
any colour printer except when caused by a toner cartridge or fuser and that is
most unlikely here.

I can't quite see how such would be caused by the fuser. Especially on such a
problem where there are frequently four lines present one of each colour. This has
to be happening before the fuser.
The splotch on the other hand is probably the magenta cartridge

As far as I'm concerned it has to be. However why is there usually only one splotch
on a page instead of splotches every rotation of the drum in the cartrdige. I find
that very confusing.
but I could not
be sure that it would solve the lines issue, in fact if it did I would be
extremely surprised.

Yeah, that's what I'm thinking.
I wish I could be more difinitive. There is a possibility tyhat the lines are
due to an electronic paroblem and that would be very expensive (too expensive)
to repair.

That too is what I'm thinking. I don't feel like investing $100 in a toner cartridge
to find it doesn't fix both problems. Also knowing that I will have to very soon
also purchase a black cartridge. so my outlay will be a little under $200. And I can
buy a new printer for $410 or $430.

Better to say f**** it.

Thanks to all for their comments.

Tony
 
Tony said:
2006 12 23


2492 black and 1957 colour.

Hmmm, that's not a hard duty cycle for a color laser printer. I almost
bought this model (in single side printing, the 2400N), but decide to
upgrade to a 3600N, which has quite a bit more toner per cartridge.
Hopefully, it won;t also die on h first toner sets.
A friends employer has a number of high speed printers and knows some repair techs.
So I will be giving my printer to him to pass on. So it'll become a parts printer.

Glad to hear parts may be reused, which is, of course, better than
recycling.

Art
 
Arthur Entlich said:
Hmmm, that's not a hard duty cycle for a color laser printer. I almost
bought this model (in single side printing, the 2400N), but decide to
upgrade to a 3600N, which has quite a bit more toner per cartridge.
Hopefully, it won;t also die on h first toner sets.

Yes, that printer was on my short list. However when I took a look at the payback
considering higher printer expense and lower cost per page of toner cartridges that
it would take about 13K pages to make it worth while to purchase the 3600DN. As I
had no logical reason to think I'd ever print that many pages in my lifetime I went
with the cheapest and most convenient to purchase.

The 4700DN was also on my list but I would've had to print about 18K pages to make it
worth while.

Also my attitude was that the price of the four toner cartridges was not much lower
than that of the printer so if, for some unknown reasons I do start printing lots of
pages well, I'd just wait until the colour toner cartrdiges were going empty and then
purchase a higher capacity printer at that time.

Indeed my biggest criteria for purchasing a colour laser printer were

1) My ink jet printers had the ink cartridges drying up prematurely because I wasn't
using colour enough on a steady basis.

2) Duplex for the occasional time I wanted it. Turns out that was such a nice
feature that I've printed over 500 duplex pages. Although 300 of those pages are
due to annual general meeting notices for several non profit groups of which I'm the
membership director.

3) Duplex also because my mother wanted to print some 20 or 40 family history books.
So we were going to print these one at a time, on demand, and charge the family
member the cost of the printing. However my mothers declining health, lack of
computer knowledge and lack of interest among her children to do the computerizing of
the book caught up with mother before she could finish the book.

Tony
 
This problem started a few months ago as just the occasional magenta splotch every 10
or 30 pages. The printer is now printing the horizontal lines as shown.

Hmm, an interesting suggestion at http://www.fixyourownprinter.com/forums/laser/62103
The suggestion is that because I do so little printing and leave the printer on a lot
that the calibration process puts some toner in a special hopper in the toner
cartridge. And that special hopper is now full spilling over onto the paper
somehow.

Tony
 
Ian D said:
I think that if there is waste toner spill-over, it would produce
random, rather than repetetive smudge patterns. To me, your
samples look like something produced electronically, rather
through cartridge defects. Those blobs on the right side are
nearly symmetrical, which would be almost impossible to
produce cyclically through random events.

Yeah, I'm starting to think there is some kind of electronic problem myself for the
lines. And I agree that overflow hopper wouldn't be so regular.

Tony
 
Tony Toews said:
This problem started a few months ago as just the occasional magenta splotch every 10
or 30 pages. The printer is now printing the horizontal lines as shown.

More details and text can be found at the below web page.
http://www.tonytoews.com/hp_2605dn_printing_problem.htm
Note that the graphic is 2 Mb in size.

By sheer coincidence a friend was given a HP 2600n printer with no cartridges. The
startup calibration page and the third printed page had the exact same problems. So
it's definitely the toner cartridges.

It could be the waste container overflowing due to too many calibrations and not
enough printing. However I would've thought that would give more inconsistent
smearing although the magenta is certainly smearing weirdly enough. Nevertheless I
might try drilling a hole in the spot indicated by a previous posting.

And now to decide if I want to purchase new toner cartrdges or a new printer.

Tony
 
Tony Toews said:
This problem started a few months ago as just the occasional magenta splotch every 10
or 30 pages. The printer is now printing the horizontal lines as shown.

More details and text can be found at the below web page.
http://www.tonytoews.com/hp_2605dn_printing_problem.htm
Note that the graphic is 2 Mb in size.

I ended up purchasing a new magenta toner cartridge. As expected that solved the
magenta splotch problem. Unexpectedly that solved the multiple horizontal bar
problem. So I have no idea what is going on there. That just doesn't make sense
to me.

Tony
 
Thanks for keeping us up to date on this and nice to hear it is
resolved. I'm wondering if there wasn't a defective gear (a bad tooth)
on the Magenta cartridge which was causing a mechanical "rough spot"
which was leading to the toner spilling and banding. You can imagine
the gear mis-meshing and creating a irregular motion of the magenta drum
every so many inches, and also shifting the drum to spill toner. The
tolerances on laser cartridges are pretty tight and a bit of a flex can
lead to toner spillage.

However, having said that, I would point a finger back at HP and ask
them to replace the cartridge for free, warranty or not, at least with a
"starter version if it wasn't a full version. It failed before it was
completely used up.

Art



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Arthur Entlich said:
Thanks for keeping us up to date on this and nice to hear it is
resolved. I'm wondering if there wasn't a defective gear (a bad tooth)
on the Magenta cartridge which was causing a mechanical "rough spot"
which was leading to the toner spilling and banding. You can imagine
the gear mis-meshing and creating a irregular motion of the magenta drum
every so many inches, and also shifting the drum to spill toner. The
tolerances on laser cartridges are pretty tight and a bit of a flex can
lead to toner spillage.

The one external plastic gear that I can see as the raised sections at about a 30
degree angle Quite likely for that exact same reason so the stresses are applied
to different sections of multiple gears. I did rotate it but couldn't see anything.
However, having said that, I would point a finger back at HP and ask
them to replace the cartridge for free, warranty or not, at least with a
"starter version if it wasn't a full version. It failed before it was
completely used up.

If you are interested in issues surrounding e-waste,

Now how do I dispose of my old defective cartridge?

Tony
 
Tony said:
The one external plastic gear that I can see as the raised sections at about a 30
degree angle Quite likely for that exact same reason so the stresses are applied
to different sections of multiple gears. I did rotate it but couldn't see anything.




Now how do I dispose of my old defective cartridge?

HP has a take back program in almost every country now. Also, Staples
and other retailers accept the cartridges back at no charge. In some
cases they will even provide you with a discount on any replacement ink
or toner, a free ream of paper or a coupon toward other purchases. It
depends on what offer that are cycling through.

BTW, don't assume this is all sweetness and green awareness at work.
Most toner cartridges are sent to either the OEM or a third party
refiller, and tested, dismantled if necessary and parts are
reconditioned and reused. The toner is the cheapest part of the whole
thing. They take a toner cartridge you gave them, remanufacture it and
add $8 worth of toner and sell it for $100 or more. Makes a tidy profit.

You may notice that most toner cartridges today will indicate "May
contain reconditioned parts". They are supposed to be warranted to the
full nature of the warranty, however.

I am not opposed to reusing and refurbishing toner cartridges and
reselling them. I am, however, more than a bit miffed that the OEMs
charge so much for them, and make then difficult to refill by adding
chips which may burn out as the number of copies offered is related.

Art
 
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