How to test if my PSU is enough?

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According to the website below, my PSU needs to be a 400W one. However,
mine is an Antec Truepower 350W PSU. I note that the website says the
peak/max power requirements are listed, not the average ones.

http://www.jscustompcs.com/power_supply/

How likely am I to need 400W and what will happen if I try to do so on
my PC?

Could this explain the wierd problems I've been having? (HDD
paging/controller errors, svchost.exe memory read errors, FTP
problems...)

How do I test if my PC has enough power? I don't have access to a
multimeter. I was hoping for software that could do that. My
motherboard is an Abit NF7.

Thanks.
 
Random said:
According to the website below, my PSU needs to be a 400W one. However,
mine is an Antec Truepower 350W PSU.

A 350W TruePower? Are you sure that it's not a 330W or 380W TruePower
or a 350W SmartPower/Solution Series?

The worksheet at that website overestimates even worst-case power
needs. http://takaman.jp is better, but even it shoots too high, xcept
the +3.3V, where it's often way too low.
How likely am I to need 400W and what will happen if I try to do so on
my PC?

Not very, according to people who've taken measurements. One person
with a 64-bit AMD, fairly fast graphics, and four HDs (two of them
10,000 RPM) measured 400W max at the wall outlet, meaning the PSU
probably put out no more than 300W. But you need to provide more
information about your equipment before people can estimate your power
consumption -- what CPU & speed? How many drives and what kind? What
graphics card chipset?
How do I test if my PC has enough power? I don't have access to a
multimeter. I was hoping for software that could do that.

There's software like Motherboard Monitor and SpeedFan that uses the
mobo hardware to read temps, voltages, and fan RPMs, but that hardware
is often inaccurate, and sometimes the software will add to this by not
configuring itself right. However it should still be able to check for
changes in voltages, and you want to compare the voltages when the PSU
is lightly loaded and when it's heavily loaded. Lighten the load by
removing unneeded devices, like extra drives, and slow the CPU and bus
speeds as much as possible. If you have a fast graphics card, try to
replace it with a slow one. Then note the voltages while the system is
idling. Repeat the test with your normal configuration and while the
system is running a torture test, and if the voltages are more than
about 3-5% lower than in the first case, then maybe the PSU is being
overloaded.

For reliable readings you really need a digital multimeter, and even a
cheapo $2 from Harbor Freight will be accurate to about 1%, although
some cheapos use watch batteries, which don't last long and can be
costly to replace compared to 9V, AA, or AAA batteries. Wal-mart,
Radio Shack, and Sears sell meters, and the latter two stores have
models that can feed their readings into a computer's RS-232 serial
port so you can see how voltages change over time. Some meters can
also record temperature, but that may not be particularly useful for
computer testing if the temperature probe is internal, as it sometimes
is.
 
According to the website below, my PSU needs to be a 400W one. However,
mine is an Antec Truepower 350W PSU. I note that the website says the
peak/max power requirements are listed, not the average ones.

http://www.jscustompcs.com/power_supply/

How likely am I to need 400W and what will happen if I try to do so on
my PC?

List all your major components, and if any are overclocked,
mention it as well.

If you run a decent PSU too near it's limit, it simply won't
last as long. Over it's limit, it may cause instability or
parts failure.
Could this explain the wierd problems I've been having? (HDD
paging/controller errors, svchost.exe memory read errors, FTP
problems...)

Possible, but I would tend to suspect operating system
problems or memory errors before the power. Test with
memtest86 and try a separate clean OS install.

How do I test if my PC has enough power? I don't have access to a
multimeter.

Well a multimeter is fairly important. How else did you
expect to know? You can look at motherboard sensor readings
in many bios or windows based software as a rough guide.

I was hoping for software that could do that. My
motherboard is an Abit NF7.

Check Abit's website or try Motherboard Monitor,
http://mbm.livewiredev.com/

350W Antec should be enough for running at stock speed with
a moderately good video card and a couple HDDs. If you're
overclocking and running a high-end video card you might
need more.
 
OK guys, thanks for your input. Here is a list of my components.
Everything is at stock speeds and not overclocked.

AMD XP 2500+ Barton, 333MHz FSB w/ Retail CPU fan
Abit NF7 motherboard
4 HDDs - 3 7200RPM, 1 5400RPM
Sapphire Radeon 9800 Pro 128MB
3x 80cm case fans (no LEDs)
SB Audigy
1 DVD-RW
1 CD-RW
2x512 MB Crucial DDR400 RAM (underclocked to DDR333 to match CPU FSB)
1 PCI ATA/133 Controller
PCI USB expansion card (2 more USB ports), unused.
PCI Keyboard
USB Optical Mouse

Larry astutely noticed that my PSU is a:
Antec SL350PGB 350W ATX P4 Smartpower Dual Fan Power Supply

Not an Antec 350W Truepower PSU.

Let me know if you need anything else.
 
Possible, but I would tend to suspect operating system
problems or memory errors before the power. Test with
memtest86 and try a separate clean OS install.

I've done lots of memtest86 tests, no errors found. I get wierdness in
both Linux/Windows O/Ses, so it appears O/S independent.

Let me know if you think my system is close to the limit. If so, then I
will get hold of a multimeter and start testing...
 
There's software like Motherboard Monitor

Discontinued, but I still use it.
and SpeedFan

Horrible. Don't use it.
that uses the mobo hardware to read temps, voltages, and fan RPMs,

Try Everest Home Edition - it's free.

http://www.lavalys.com/products/overview.php?pid=1&lang=en
but that hardware
is often inaccurate, and sometimes the software will add to this by not
configuring itself right.

Everest does a credible job despite the fact that it mixed up my CPU
and Case temps. Everest also gives you SMART data, which includes HD
internal temps.
 
Random Person said:
According to the website below, my PSU needs to be a 400W one. However,
mine is an Antec Truepower 350W PSU. I note that the website says the
peak/max power requirements are listed, not the average ones.

http://www.jscustompcs.com/power_supply/

How likely am I to need 400W and what will happen if I try to do so on
my PC?

Could this explain the wierd problems I've been having? (HDD
paging/controller errors, svchost.exe memory read errors, FTP
problems...)

How do I test if my PC has enough power?


Hmm...best way would be to increase the 'load' on your computer and
see if it fails to cope with it.
You could do this by adding more devices or alternativelly connecting
a resistor to say, a 5V power rail and earth, and drawing off some power.
Pover=volts(squared)/resistance so to draw off 5 watts you would need
a 5 Ohn resistor. to draw off 25 Watts requires a 1 Ohm resistor.

I would imagine boot up uses the most power, so if it boots up it
should be getting enough 'juice'.
 
Random Person said:
OK guys, thanks for your input. Here is a list of my components.
Everything is at stock speeds and not overclocked.

AMD XP 2500+ Barton, 333MHz FSB w/ Retail CPU fan
Abit NF7 motherboard
4 HDDs - 3 7200RPM, 1 5400RPM
Sapphire Radeon 9800 Pro 128MB
3x 80cm case fans (no LEDs)
SB Audigy
1 DVD-RW
1 CD-RW
2x512 MB Crucial DDR400 RAM (underclocked to DDR333 to match CPU FSB)
1 PCI ATA/133 Controller
PCI USB expansion card (2 more USB ports), unused.
PCI Keyboard
USB Optical Mouse

Larry astutely noticed that my PSU is a:
Antec SL350PGB 350W ATX P4 Smartpower Dual Fan Power Supply

Not an Antec 350W Truepower PSU.

Let me know if you need anything else.

You could try running your computer with half that 'crap' disconnected
and see if you still have problems, then graduallly add extra 'crap' untill
you reach maximum load :O)
 
Random Person said:
OK guys, thanks for your input. Here is a list of my components.
Everything is at stock speeds and not overclocked.

AMD XP 2500+ Barton, 333MHz FSB w/ Retail CPU fan
Abit NF7 motherboard
4 HDDs - 3 7200RPM, 1 5400RPM
Sapphire Radeon 9800 Pro 128MB
3x 80cm case fans (no LEDs)
SB Audigy


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Here's the deal:
even though you could probably get by fine with a good quality 350 watt
supply...
why take a chance? It's always better to err on the side of caution...so go
with the 400 watter.
You will hurt nothing to go bigger than needed...but if you go too small...
it will be more expensive in the long run!
 
OK guys, thanks for your input. Here is a list of my components.
Everything is at stock speeds and not overclocked.

AMD XP 2500+ Barton, 333MHz FSB w/ Retail CPU fan
Abit NF7 motherboard
4 HDDs - 3 7200RPM, 1 5400RPM
Sapphire Radeon 9800 Pro 128MB
3x 80cm case fans (no LEDs)
SB Audigy
1 DVD-RW
1 CD-RW
2x512 MB Crucial DDR400 RAM (underclocked to DDR333 to match CPU FSB)
1 PCI ATA/133 Controller
PCI USB expansion card (2 more USB ports), unused.
PCI Keyboard
USB Optical Mouse

Larry astutely noticed that my PSU is a:
Antec SL350PGB 350W ATX P4 Smartpower Dual Fan Power Supply


That does look like too much for a 350W Smartpower, I'd
expect your 12V rail is struggling right now and suggest a
name-brand 450W rated for (roughly) 22A or more 2V power.
 
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