How to print 1704x2560 pixels to 6x8 inches on 8.5x11 inch paper in WinXP?

donnadigacomo · Jul 10, 2005

Q: What is the right method to calculate how to print a 1704x2560 pixel
JPEG to a 6x8 inch final size on 8.5x11 inch photo paper using Windows
XP & Irfanview (or similar) with HPOJd145 printer drivers?
A: ???

Today, I tried to print a JPG to 6 inch wide by 8 inch tall frame:
- WinXP Photo Printing Wizard does NOT have 6" x 8" as an option!

Irfanview's bottom line showed original size information as:
- 1704x2560x24 BPP 1/3 100% 1.34MB / 12.48 MB 7/10/2005 01:04:33

MANUAL TRIAL-&-ERROR APPROACH 1:
I first tried printing to 8.5x11 inch photo paper with the Windows XP
Printer Wizard at both "Full page photo print" & "8 x 10 in cutout
print" and then manually cropping these oversized results with
scissors; but the original photo was well composed in that it had
little cropping margin so this (most obvious approach) failed to get
the correct aspect ratio & size.

MANUAL TRIAL-&-ERROR APPROACH 2:
I then tried manually estimating & drawing a series of approximately 6"
x 8" rectangles on the photo and then cropping with the "Irfanview
Edit-->Crop selection" command; but these trial-and-error results were
also a royal mess. I just couldn't get the results right.

MANUAL TRIAL-&-ERROR APPROACH 3:
Then I tried manually estimating using the Irfanview
"Image-->Resize/Resample" command, which had options of 640x480,
800x600, etc., but, again, I couldn't print any of these
trial-and-error guesses to the desired 6 inch wide by 8 inch tall
picture frame.

MANUAL TRIAL-&-ERROR APPROACH 4:
Frustrated with the previous manual methods, I succeeded (barely) by
using the Irfanview "Image-->Canvas size" command by adding a series of
successive 50 pixel-wide black borders which effectively shrank the
photo for the WinXP Photo Printing Wizard "Full page photo print" to
print it at approximately the desired 6" x 8" actual photo size (sans
borders). I then manually cut out the borders using scissors and ...
finally (whew!) ... the photo was printed to the correct size for a 6
inch wide by 8 inch tall picture frame (internal dimensions).

My problem with these manual trial-&-error methods is that they are
inexact, very much guesswork, and prone to wasted time and effort (not
to mention ink & paper!). But, I'm embarrassed to say I'm a bit
mathematically challenged in that I have no idea how to mathematically
compute the correct size reduction necessary to "shrink" (is that the
right word) the original 1704 x 2560 pixel image to 6 inches x 8 inches
on an HP Officejet D145 printer at whateve DPI the HPOJd145 driver
software prints at its "Best" quality setting.

There must be a better way to print a photo of given size to a print of
specified size, isn't there?

My question:

Q: What is the right method to calculate how to print a 1704x2560 pixel
JPEG to a 6x8 inch final size on 8.5x11 inch photo paper using Windows
XP & Irfanview (or similar)?
A: ???

Donna DiGiacomo

David Candy · Jul 10, 2005

Paint has print preview.

Or take it into MS Word and size to suit interactively.,

Mary Sauer · Jul 10, 2005

try this
http://www.classical-webdesigns.co.uk/resources/pixelinchconvert.html

Impmon · Jul 10, 2005

Q: What is the right method to calculate how to print a 1704x2560 pixel
JPEG to a 6x8 inch final size on 8.5x11 inch photo paper using Windows
XP & Irfanview (or similar)?

Try finding the resolution by dividing the image's res with the
desired size. In your case it would be 284 dpi to 320 dpi so try 300
dpi. I don't know about Irfanview but I use Photoshop for exact size
as it does have option to resize image in print preview window for
desired result.

Yves Alarie · Jul 10, 2005

You encounter this problem because the aspect ratio of your picture
(1704/2560 = 0.66) and the aspect ratio of the size your want (6/8 = 0.75)
are different. If you select 4 x 6 (4/6 = 0.66) it would fit perfectly.
Since you want 6 x 8, divide 1704 by 0.75 and this gives you 2272 and as you
found by trial and error, shaving some pixels (cropping) will make it fit to
what you want.
However, this is tedious and there is a better way to do this automatically.
Download Fastone, available for free from here:
http://www.download.com/FastStone-I...485.html?part=dl-FastStone&subj=dl&tag=button
Open your photo with this software and select the crop tool. You can then
select any aspect ratio you want ( 6 x 8 is not a common size but you can
enter it manually) and the correct area will appear as dotted lines over
your photo. You then click in the center with your mouse and move this area
over your picture so as to remove the less desirable area and fit the size.

Marek M. \rogus\ · Jul 10, 2005

David Candy napisaÅ‚(a):

Or take it into MS Word and size to suit interactively.,

rotfl

buahahahahhaha
lmao

Stacey · Jul 11, 2005

Q: What is the right method to calculate how to print a 1704x2560 pixel
JPEG to a 6x8 inch final size on 8.5x11 inch photo paper using Windows
XP & Irfanview (or similar) with HPOJd145 printer drivers?
A:

Qimage

Vanessa · Jul 11, 2005

Q: What is the right method to calculate how to print a 1704x2560 pixel
JPEG to a 6x8 inch final size on 8.5x11 inch photo paper using Windows
XP & Irfanview (or similar)?
A: ???

You can't.

More to the correct point, nobody can mathematically convert the
unknown (pixels) to the known (inches).

Besides, all the officejet HP printer drivers I've seen give you no
choice on dots per inch. All you get with most dumb HP printer drivers
is draft, normal, and best (not dots per inch). HP gives you nothing to
calculate pixels per inch with.

Worse yet, I can't find the print size dialog in my Irfanview 3.85
printer dialog that Gadi Ben-Avi spoke of.

The best you can probably do is find some freebie print software that
can "floorplan" any number of photos to fit, rotated manually, to a
certain size of paper. I don't know if that software even exists (try
alt.freeware) but that's your best bet by far.

Vanessa

John Inzer · Jul 11, 2005

Donna DiGiacomo said:
Q: What is the right method to calculate how
to print a 1704x2560 pixel JPEG to a 6x8 inch
final size on 8.5x11 inch photo paper using
Windows XP & Irfanview (or similar)?
A: ??? =====================================
Crossposting removed<

As suggested by Yves, this can easily be
accomplished with the freeware FastStone
Image Viewer:

FastStone Image Viewer
http://www.faststone.org/FSViewerDetail.htm

Once you have the software downloaded and
installed...open the program...select your image
....and go to...Edit / Crop Board...crop it to:
2272 x 1704...this will give you the correct aspect
ratio for a 6" x 8" print. (If you wish to expand the
selection box to include more of the image...hold
your Alt key and drag the corner handle...this will
preserve the aspect ratio)

Once cropped...go to...File / Print...

Open the "Size" drop window and choose...
Specified size...enter...8 x 6.../ Print.

Ricky Mitchell · Jul 11, 2005

That's all well and good but what I always wanted was to figure out the
harder problem of what the OP wants to print but for MULTIPLE photos!

For example, how would we caculate how to fit two of the stated 1704x2560
pixel photos neatly onto a single 8 1/2 by 11 inch sheet of photographic
paper?

The Windows Photo Printing Wizard fails us as it only has fixed-size prints
either of two 13 x 18 cm cutout prints or three 10 x 15 cm cutout prints
(whatever a 'cutout print' is).

If I understand the calculations provided, they also fail us because they
all assume a single print per page (which is highly unrealistic in the real
world where paper cost money).

Is there a way for us to calculate how to fit two of the stated 1704x2560
prints onto a single page and then print those two photos out onto that
single page?

We'd all benefit from the expert answer (if it exists).

M-M · Jul 11, 2005

Ricky Mitchell said:
Is there a way for us to calculate how to fit two of the stated 1704x2560
prints onto a single page and then print those two photos out onto that
single page?

Simply paste the 2 photos onto a new blank image with the size
3408x2560. (3408= 2x1704).

Then in the printer setup, choose your paper size and select "fit to
page". Voila!

m-m

Hong Ben Wu · Jul 11, 2005

Q: What is the right method to calculate how to print a 1704x2560 pixel
JPEG to a 6x8 inch final size on 8.5x11 inch photo paper using Windows
XP & Irfanview (or similar) with HPOJd145 printer drivers?
A: ???

Neil Ellwood · Jul 11, 2005

You can't.

More to the correct point, nobody can mathematically convert the
unknown (pixels) to the known (inches).

Besides, all the officejet HP printer drivers I've seen give you no
choice on dots per inch. All you get with most dumb HP printer drivers
is draft, normal, and best (not dots per inch). HP gives you nothing to
calculate pixels per inch with.

Worse yet, I can't find the print size dialog in my Irfanview 3.85
printer dialog that Gadi Ben-Avi spoke of.

The best you can probably do is find some freebie print software that
can "floorplan" any number of photos to fit, rotated manually, to a
certain size of paper. I don't know if that software even exists (try
alt.freeware) but that's your best bet by far.

Vanessa

Another method is to use a DTP prog and select the size of paper you want
to use ( with the relevant orientation), use whatever method the dtp uses
to fit the paper to the photo i.e frames, check that everything is the way
you want it and print.

Yves Alarie · Jul 11, 2005

This is easy to do with the XP printing wizard.
The size you have is 1704 wide x 2560 high. The aspect ratio is width /
height and so you have 0.66.

The Wizard selection of 13 x 18 has an aspect ratio of 13/18 = 0.72. This
does not fit your aspect ratio. The software will reduce the height to 2366
and now 1704/2366 = 0.72. This is the "cutout print". The software remove
some pixels from the top and some from the bottom to arrive at 2366 to fit
exactly on the size you selected.
This automatic crop may be acceptable to you.
If not, you need to crop manually to this aspect ratio.
Use FastStone to do this crop, but you cannot print two photos on the same
page with it. So save the cropped photos as new files and then use the
Wizard to print them.

The Wizard selection of 10 x 15 has an aspect ratio of 10/15 = 0.66. This
fits perfectly the aspect ratio of your two pictures and nothing will be
removed.

Stacey has suggested using Qimage. You can download a trial version from
here:
http://www.ddisoftware.com/qimage/
This is a favorite of the pros but the interface is a little quirky.
Nevertheless, once you open it, click on Help>Content>Learn by
examples>Example 3: printing multiple images at different size on a page.

An easier one to use is LumaPix. You can download a trial version from here:
www.lumapix.com
With this you can do all three: crop, resize and place as many pictures as
you want on a page with the click of your mouse. You are not even restricted
to the largest size of paper your printer can accept. You can make a large
poster containing multiple pictures of different sizes, save the file and
send it to a commercial lab to print. If you want to print yourself, use an
exact multiple of your largest paper size, fill the space with your pictures
and send to your printer and just join the pages together.

David Candy suggested using Paint or MS Word. Paint will not work but MS
Word (or Word Perfect) will. If you have these on your computer you simply
open a blank page and then Insert>Picture>From file. Select the pictures you
want and you can resize them and place them anywhere you want on the page.

Hong Ben Wu · Jul 12, 2005

Qimage

Qimage v2005.315 (trialware) $44.95
http://www.ddisoftware.com/qimage/demo.htm

Hong Ben Wu · Jul 12, 2005

David Candy suggested using Paint or MS Word. Paint will not work but MS

Word (or Word Perfect) will. If you have these on your computer you simply
open a blank page and then Insert>Picture>From file. Select the pictures you
want and you can resize them and place them anywhere you want on the page.

Huh?

While microsoft word and microsoft powerpoint have the distinct advantage of
allowing floorplanning, rotation, fitting, etc (which none of the proposed
suggestions even come close to) ... doesn't pasting the 72 dpi copy of the
photograph into microsoft word destroy the original print quality?

Or does the original print retain its complete quality when pasted into
microsoft word and powerpoint for subsequent manual floorplan manipulation?

Vanessa · Jul 12, 2005

Ed said:
The simple answer you can't print the full image you have that final size.

2560/1704 = 1.50 while 8/6 = 1.33. so the source image and the print you
want are different aspect ratios.

2560/8 = 320 ppi and 1704/6 = 284 ppi. so the long dimension of the source
image will dictate the final max size on an 8x6 output form. 1704/320 =
5.325 in, so the best you can ever do without cropping is 8 x 5.325.,
leaving a border of (6-5.325)/2 = 0.3375 on the top and bottom of the
image.

To eliminate the border you must transform you source image to the same
aspect ratio as your final output size, either by cropping the long
dimension to 1.33x1704 = 2271 pixels or by padding the top and bottom, say
maybe using the cloning tool in PSPS or PS.

Isn't a pixel sizeless?
How can you convert something with no size to something that has size?
Also, how do you tell your printer to print to a certain ppi?
My printer only has quality levels.
Where do you tell it how many ppi to print?

Vanessa · Jul 12, 2005

Marek said:
David Candy napisal(a):
rotfl
buahahahahhaha
lmao

Why is this so funny?
Please edify me.
Why can't MS Word work for organizing picture prints to a sheet of
paper?

Ed Ruf · Jul 12, 2005

Isn't a pixel sizeless?

Yes, but to print you must map a pixel to a given space on your output.

How can you convert something with no size to something that has size?
Also, how do you tell your printer to print to a certain ppi?
My printer only has quality levels.
Where do you tell it how many ppi to print?

In the software application you use to print. If you're using Word as your
reply above implies then you have no control over this or how the image is
resampled. Qimage will query the printer driver itself and determine the
optimal ppi setting which the driver wants. If you give it other than this,
then the driver must resample things again.

Jon O'Brien · Jul 12, 2005

Why can't MS Word work for organizing picture prints to a sheet of
paper?

It can organise them OK, if you know what you're doing, but makes a
complete hash of resizing and printing and has no colour profile support.
You might as well get out the crayons and draw the pictures.

Jon.

How to print 1704x2560 pixels to 6x8 inches on 8.5x11 inch paper in WinXP?

donnadigacomo

David Candy

Mary Sauer

Impmon

Yves Alarie

Marek M. \rogus\

Stacey

Vanessa

John Inzer

Ricky Mitchell

M-M

Hong Ben Wu

Neil Ellwood

Yves Alarie

Hong Ben Wu

Hong Ben Wu

Vanessa

Vanessa

Ed Ruf

Jon O'Brien