How to kill spam?

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Craig

Nowadays, most of spams are coming in html format.
So message rules do not work on those kinds of spam.
How can I kill those spams (in html)?
I use Outlook Express (and WinXP Pro-SP2).
Craig
 
Craig said:
Nowadays, most of spams are coming in html format.
So message rules do not work on those kinds of spam.
How can I kill those spams (in html)?
I use Outlook Express (and WinXP Pro-SP2).
Craig

Not using your real e/mail adress in a forum like this will be a good start.
(e-mail address removed)
 
OE | Tools | Options | Read tab | Read all messages in plain text

Why don't message rules work?

Use a simple rule.

Apply this rule after the message arrives
Where the From line does not contain 'list of addresses from address book'
Delete it from server

Of course you will never get any messages from anyone who isn't listed. ;-)

Message Rules
http://insideoe.tomsterdam.com/tips/rules.htm

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There are many commercial anti-spam programs.

You should be reading your email in plain text.
 
OE | Tools | Options | Read tab | Read all messages in plain text

Thank you. That was not checked.
I hope that checking that option would kill all spam coming in html format.
Thanks again.

Craig
 
You'll still get all the spam you were previouisly receiving, but now it
won't have HTML formatting.
 
Unfortunately you can just kill the SPAM.

Outlook Express doesn't have spam protection but if you use MS Office
Outlook it has spam protection.

There are many software that offer SPAM protection which will move the spam
into separate folder or will just delete it.
Panda
Kaspersky
Norton
McAfee
....many others...

Learn more about spam and tip to protect <VERY USEFUL> :
http://www.microsoft.com/athome/security/email/default.mspx

Learn how to protect your computer <VERY USEFUL> :
http://www.microsoft.com/protect



Panda_man
 
I use NAV for my computer.
But I use OE mainly for emailing. So I want to kill those drug spam.
I also use Office 2003 with Outlook. I use Outlook mainly for calendar and
contact address.
So emailing was disabled.
but if you use MS Office Outlook it has spam protection.

Could you please go a little more specific about spam protection under MS
Office 2003 Outlook?
If Outlook is more effective against spam, I might switch to 2003Outlook.
Thanks.

Craig
 
Craig said:
Nowadays, most of spams are coming in html format.

Not from what I hear from sysadmins having to deal with the crap. Most of
it is text format.
So message rules do not work on those kinds of spam.

Primarily because the rules that look INSIDE the body of the mail don't work
well because they look for words OUTSIDE the HTML tags, so they will miss
something like "via said:
How can I kill those spams (in html)?

http://www.spampal.org

I suggest you use the following DNSBLs with SpamPal:

Spamhaus SBL+XBL
ORDB
SpamCop
NJABL

Don't use SPEWS since they do *not* target spam sources but instead rate a
domain regarding their spamminess, spam laziness, or spam friendliness.
SORBS would be okay except they are very slow to update their blocklist (and
they are a bit too SPEWS-bent in their methodology).

I suggest also using the following add-ins:

Bayesian
HTML-Modify (*)
UserLogfile (**)

(*) Up the criteria threshold from its default to something like 90. Don't
bother with the virus support since you should already be using something
that is more up-to-date and covers way more than just viral e-mails.
Disable the "HTML without alternative" option: it will tag e-mails that are
HTML-formatted but do not provide a plain-text part, and there are too many
HTML clients and services that still do that (e.g., Hotmail). Disable the
"illegal HTML tags" criteria option since I've reported and the author has
acknowledged problems in his parser. Disable "unneeded coding of HTML" if
you expect to get HTML-formatted e-mails from sites, like for newsletters.
Disable "many HTML comments" because the author's parser has a problem
there, too. Disable the "usage of security holes" criteria option since
those are very old exploits that you be patched for by now and can cause
false triggers when the old exploit isn't even used.

(**) The User Logfile plug-in keeps a plain text version of any spam-tagged
mails so you can go look at them in case there was a false positive. If
instead you move spam-tagged e-mails into the Junk folder and configure
auto-archive to permanently delete items older than, say, 2 days then you
have there to check for false positives, like when you register for a site
and are expecting a confirmation e-mail to complete that registration.

The Bayesian filter needs time to learn your particular history of e-mails
regarding spam and ham, unless you have old mails that you can feed into it
to pre-learn that filter (most Bayes filters don't let you train their
filter except over time depending on how many and how fast you get e-mails
for it to interrogate).
I use Outlook Express (and WinXP Pro-SP2).

Spampal runs as a local proxy to which any POP3/IMAP client can connect.
 
Ted Zieglar said:
You'll still get all the spam you were previouisly receiving, but now it
won't have HTML formatting.

How does *reading* in plain-text format change the raw data on which the
rules get exercised. Just because you *read* a mail by converting it from
HTML to text format (I forget the DLL that is used for this), that doesn't
change the mail so it remains HTML formatted. As with HTML (where what you
see isn't necessary what is in the document, like for links), what you *see*
when reading in plain-text mode is NOT what the rules get exercised against.
You aren't converting the e-mail from HTML to plain text. You are just
changing how you VIEW that e-mail.
 
Ted Zieglar said:
Well excuuuse me for not being specific enough for you.


The point was that your post inferred that switching to *viewing* an e-mail
in plain-text format would somehow make the rules change so all the rules
would see was also that plain-text rendering of the HTML-formatted e-mail.
Switching to plain-text view won't alter what the rules test against, so the
problem with the rules as noted by the OP won't get fixed by your
suggestion. The OP was looking for how to get rid of the spam, not how to
read spam in plain-text format.

Switching to plain-text format to *view* the HTML-formatted e-mails would be
applicable if the OP was concerned about infection or nasties used in
HTML-formatted mails. However, if the OP properly configures OE to use the
Restricted Sites security zone (and it is set at its default High level),
and with the option to blocked linked images (to eliminate web bugs), then
any HTML e-mails containing any nasties gets neutered. However, these
settings, whether to read in plain text or to use the Restricted Sites zone,
don't address the OP's request to get rid of the spam in the first place so
they don't have to read it even as plain text.

If a user doesn't feel capable of configuring their e-mail client so they
can safely render HTML-formatted e-mails then using the option to read only
in plain-text mode is helpful. It won't affect on what content the rules
get exercised against. Sorry you got offended but my reply was to really
help the OP when following the thread to understand that plain-text mode
wouldn't make their rule(s) work.
 
One of the annoyances of spam is that most of the time it isn't even
addressed to the recipient. I have seen other mail progs, Forte Agent for
one, that allow you to put arguments into its kill and watch filters that
allow the rejection and deletion of all mail that isn't addressed to the
recipient. Is anything similar possible in OE?

MH
 
Yes.

Apply this rule after the message arrives
Where the To line does not contain 'Your Address'
Delete it from server

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MS-MVP Windows Shell/User

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Wesley Vogel said:
Yes.

Apply this rule after the message arrives
Where the To line does not contain 'Your Address'
Delete it from server

Wesley,

I haven't got this option, I only have "Where the To line contains people"
or Where the To or CC line contains people"
Many thanks
Mike H
 
Mike Hyndman said:
One of the annoyances of spam is that most of the time it isn't even
addressed to the recipient.

The To, Cc, Reply-To, and Subject headers are ALL optional. That is, they
may appear zero or one times within the *data* of your mail (headers and
body since it is all just one message sent during the DATA command from the
e-mail client to the mail server to send the message). Those fields are NOT
used to specify the recipients of your message. The e-mail client sends a
RCPT TO command to the mail server saying who gets the message. Multiple
RCPT TO commands are sent following by a single DATA command when sending a
message to multiple recipients. The e-mail client aggregates all recipients
specified in the To, Cc, and Bcc "fields" (in the GUI form) into a list of
RCPT TO commands. In fact, this is how bulk mailers work in that they have
a list of recipients that are completely separate of the message.
I have seen other mail progs, Forte Agent for one, that allow you to put
arguments into its kill and watch filters that allow the rejection and
deletion of all mail that isn't addressed to the recipient. Is anything
similar possible in OE?

Sure. Define a rule that deletes/moves/whatever all mails EXCEPT those that
have your e-mail address in the To or Cc headers. The action gets taken if
you aren't listed in the To or Cc header. However, be aware that some good
senders may put you in the Bcc field which you cannot test because it was
never included in the header portion of their message (and the rules won't
let you test against a Bcc header in the case where the sending e-mail
client screwed up and added it). For example, when you subscribe to
newsletters or mailing lists, often the listserver sends the message but you
are NOT in the To or Cc headers (i.e., it was sent to the "list" which then
got distributed and not specifically to you). You will need to define a
whitelist rule (before this exclusion rule) to account for any senders whose
mails you want to keep that do not put you in the To or Cc header.
 
The To, Cc, Reply-To, and Subject headers are ALL optional. That is, they
may appear zero or one times within the *data* of your mail (headers and
body since it is all just one message sent during the DATA command from
the e-mail client to the mail server to send the message). Those fields
are NOT used to specify the recipients of your message. The e-mail client
sends a RCPT TO command to the mail server saying who gets the message.
Multiple RCPT TO commands are sent following by a single DATA command when
sending a message to multiple recipients. The e-mail client aggregates
all recipients specified in the To, Cc, and Bcc "fields" (in the GUI form)
into a list of RCPT TO commands. In fact, this is how bulk mailers work
in that they have a list of recipients that are completely separate of the
message.

I can understand getting mail with an incorrect username with correct node
name, but how the hell do I get mail when both username and node name are
incorrect?

Sure. Define a rule that deletes/moves/whatever all mails EXCEPT those
that have your e-mail address in the To or Cc headers. The action gets
taken if you aren't listed in the To or Cc header. However, be aware that
some good senders may put you in the Bcc field which you cannot test
because it was never included in the header portion of their message (and
the rules won't let you test against a Bcc header in the case where the
sending e-mail client screwed up and added it). For example, when you
subscribe to newsletters or mailing lists, often the listserver sends the
message but you are NOT in the To or Cc headers (i.e., it was sent to the
"list" which then got distributed and not specifically to you). You will
need to define a whitelist rule (before this exclusion rule) to account
for any senders whose mails you want to keep that do not put you in the To
or Cc header.

I have done just this on my desktop using Forte Agent but can find no way
in OE to apply the neccesary arguments to filter out the crap.

Many thanks for your most instructive reply.

Mike H
 
Mike,

If you mean in OE, yes, you do.

Some of thses are kind of hard to find until you get the hang of it.

If you select: Where the To line contains people you can modify it later.

To change..
Where the To line contains
to..
Where the To line does not contain

Open a message rule
Click on contains under Rule Description
(The last word in Where the To line contains)
Click the Options button

You should have two choices:
Message contains the people below
and
Message does not contain the people below

Select: Message does not contain the people below

OE Message Rules from Tom Koch & Majik.

Tom Koch shows you some how to's..
Controlling Junk Mail in Outlook Express
http://www.microsoft.com/windows/IE/community/columns/junkmail.mspx

More info from Tom Koch...
Message Rules
http://insideoe.tomsterdam.com/tips/rules.htm

Tom Koch
Why don't my message rules work?
http://www.insideoe.com/faqs/why.htm#rules

Majik on Message Rules
http://www.mindspring.com/~majik/messagerules.htm

There is also some usefull info in OE help, (not as much as at Tom's site).
Type rules in the OE Help Index. Or read 'em online.

OE Message Rules from OE HELP.

To change a rule
http://www.microsoft.com/resources/.../xp/all/proddocs/en-us/rules_mail_modify.mspx

To create a rule for e-mail messages
http://www.microsoft.com/resources/.../xp/all/proddocs/en-us/rules_mail_create.mspx

To create a rule for newsgroup messages
http://www.microsoft.com/resources/.../xp/all/proddocs/en-us/rules_news_create.mspx

To remove a rule
http://www.microsoft.com/resources/...all/proddocs/en-us/rules_mailnews_remove.mspx

To apply a rule to downloaded messages
http://www.microsoft.com/resources/documentation/windows/xp/all/proddocs/en-us/rules_mail_apply.mspx

Managing e-mail messages with rules
http://www.microsoft.com/resources/documentation/windows/xp/all/proddocs/en-us/rules_about_mail.mspx

To block messages from a sender or domain
http://www.microsoft.com/resources/.../all/proddocs/en-us/rules_mailnews_block.mspx

To manage the blocked senders list
http://www.microsoft.com/resources/...docs/en-us/rules_mailnews_manage_blocked.mspx

Managing news messages with rules
http://www.microsoft.com/resources/documentation/windows/xp/all/proddocs/en-us/rules_about_news.mspx

OLEXP: How to Manage the Block Senders List in Outlook Express
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;267305

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Wes
MS-MVP Windows Shell/User

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Open a message rule
Click on contains under Rule Description
(The last word in Where the To line contains)
Click the Options button


Wesley,

Many thanks, I wasn't getting the Options button (greyed out) until I put my
address in!
D'oh!
Again, many thanks.

Mike H
 
Mike,

There's always something. ;-)

No matter who tells you about something, or how they told you, you just have
to fiddle around with it yourself.

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