How to get the Vista Search to find something?

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I have noticed several times, that search under Vista is not functioning
properly.
For instance, searching all hard drives for *.jpg files did not found any
pictures from Users/username/Pictures folder. The search itself has limited
functionality: it is not possible to search files created from date to date,
I can not find any options how to set search pane to be always with advanced
search options, etc.
Why Microsoft releases such crap? New versions are supposed to be better
than older ones, but Vista has several degraded functions compared to XP.
 
Sults said:
I have noticed several times, that search under Vista is not functioning
properly.
For instance, searching all hard drives for *.jpg files did not found any
pictures from Users/username/Pictures folder. The search itself has limited
functionality: it is not possible to search files created from date to date,
I can not find any options how to set search pane to be always with advanced
search options, etc.
Why Microsoft releases such crap? New versions are supposed to be better
than older ones, but Vista has several degraded functions compared to XP.
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Please do your homework. If you decide to go rattlesnake hunting, first
get a book about snakes.

Try this snake book, for starters; >
http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/bb776808.aspx


First, don't bother with the search box in the start menu, unless you
are looking for a system file or program file.

On your keyboard press windows start + F. On the tool bar you will click
what type of file you are looking for, e.g. "pictures". On the same tool
bar you will click the down arrow to give you advanced options where you
will make use of the proper syntax that you studied in the snake book.

I have found that Vista search is superior to XP search in great
measure, once I admitted to myself that the two are not the same. It is
new, and therefore it is different.

Dave T.
 
My english is maybe too poor for you to understand, but your suggestion to do
my homework is pretty useless.
1. For some strange reason Vista Search does not find any files from
users/.../pictures folder if I search all my local hard drives. I can not
understand how your suggestion would help there?

2. I want, that every time when I start searching some files,
I know the (Microsoft key+F) trick, but I can not undestand why I should
always press advanced button before I have reasonable form where I can set
multiple search criteria? It would be much better, if one could set advanced
search form to be default search form. I understand, that Microsoft tries to
adapt their software to morons and is trying to simplfy everything, but why
those who are not morons and can use some more advanced functions should
suffer? Ok, I accept if I get some simplified form with no advanced functions
when I run it first time. But if I switch to advanced search, then why it
switches back to the morons interface again, when I run the search next time?

3. I have millions of files on my hard disks. I often remember about when I
created the file that I am searching for. But usually no more specific
information about the file. It would be nice if I could set serch from and to
dates or even exact date. But I can not.

XP search is definitely superior and Vistas crap is barely usable.
Especially because the first reason.
 
2. I want, that every time when I start searching some files,
I know the (Microsoft key+F) trick, but I can not undestand why I should
always press advanced button before I have reasonable form where I can set
multiple search criteria?
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You don't have to use Advanced at all! You can type or paste multiple
criteria in any search window. The new search syntax allows both simple
and very complex queries, which can be saved for reuse if needed via a
tool bar button in Explorer.
3. I have millions of files on my hard disks. I often remember about when I
created the file that I am searching for. But usually no more specific
information about the file. It would be nice if I could set serch from and to
dates or even exact date. But I can not.
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Of course you can do that, and much more, once you learn the syntax. For
example, this query:

created:12/01/08 .. 01/01/09

will return files created in December, 2008 (assuming that your Windows
short date format follows the mm/dd/yy format).

Dave T has given you excellent advice, please take it. Here's another
reference page on creating queries:
http://www.microsoft.com/windows/products/winfamily/desktopsearch/technicalresources/advquery.mspx

Doug M. in NJ
 
Retroman said:
You don't have to use Advanced at all! You can type or paste multiple
criteria in any search window. The new search syntax allows both simple
and very complex queries, which can be saved for reuse if needed via a
tool bar button in Explorer.


Of course you can do that, and much more, once you learn the syntax. For
example, this query:

created:12/01/08 .. 01/01/09

will return files created in December, 2008 (assuming that your Windows
short date format follows the mm/dd/yy format).

Dave T has given you excellent advice, please take it. Here's another
reference page on creating queries:
http://www.microsoft.com/windows/products/winfamily/desktopsearch/technicalresources/advquery.mspx

Doug M. in NJ
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Ok, I see!
I have to learn some syntax and if I have very careful and do not do any
mistakes (I wonder if German date format, like 20.12.98 .. 31.01.09, is
allowed?) , then maybe the Search finds some results for me even without
entering advanced mode. But if it does not search every folder even if all
hard driver are listed as target, then it is still waste of time to use it. I
found, that search does not search Users\..\Pictures\ folder. I have not
found any explanation why it behaves thi way. Is there some documentation
explaining what folders are not supposed to be searched using Vistas Search?
 
Ok, I see!
I have to learn some syntax and if I have very careful and do not do any
mistakes (I wonder if German date format, like 20.12.98 .. 31.01.09, is
allowed?) , then maybe the Search finds some results for me even without
entering advanced mode. But if it does not search every folder even if all
hard driver are listed as target, then it is still waste of time to use it. I
found, that search does not search Users\..\Pictures\ folder. I have not
found any explanation why it behaves thi way. Is there some documentation
explaining what folders are not supposed to be searched using Vistas Search?
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You have full control over what folders are indexed. Use the Indexed
Locations dialog, reached via the Modify button on the Indexing Options
dialog (from Control Panel). After clicking the button, click the
Advanced button to see the folder selection tree.

Of course, you can search non-indexed folders at any time by choosing the
"include non-indexed, hidden, and system files" option, but that is slow
if there are many files.

One other tip: if files that you know exist in an indexed folder do not
show in results, they may be marked "hidden" or "system". An indexed
search will never return files with these attributes, and you may be
surprised at how many ordinary files are so marked (or mismarked). Either
remove the offending attributes or do a non-indexed search to find such
files. Of course, even then the files will only appear in search results
if Win Explorer has been told to "show hidden and system files".

As for date formats in queries, I believe that you can use whatever format
Windows shows for short dates in your Regional & Language Options settings
in Control Panel. However, I have not tried the format that you
mentioned.

Good luck!

Doug M. in NJ
 
Your question about the date format is answered in one of the links
already served to you which you haven't read, namely

http://www.microsoft.com/windows/products/winfamily/desktopsearch/technicalresources/advquery.mspx

Here is what I surmise that MS was thinking when they devised Vista Search;

In XP, if you enter a search syntax and tell it to search for all
instances of a query, it would search the entire computer which would
very often take a very long time. In Vista, they have indexed the
system, or much of it. You can find out what is indexed, as you have
already been advised, by looking at Indexing Options in the control
panel. Anything that is not indexed can be added to the index, but keep
in mind that if you index the whole computer, then you have created more
very long searches because the index becomes quite large.

When I am going to search for a file that I created, such as a picture,
the quick search without bothering with advanced syntax is to go to the
Documents folder and use the search box there. The idea is that a search
box in a folder searches only that folder, and sub-folders, making it
quite quick. The search box in the start menu searches the indexed
locations only. As Doug M. said, you can plug advanced syntax in the
regular search box, if you take the trouble to learn it. I tag most
documents I create, which makes it really easy to find what I'm looking
for. Best advice? Take the time to learn Vista search. It really is
better that XP, IMHO.

Dave T.
 
Dave T. said:
Your question about the date format is answered in one of the links
already served to you which you haven't read, namely

http://www.microsoft.com/windows/products/winfamily/desktopsearch/technicalresources/advquery.mspx

Here is what I surmise that MS was thinking when they devised Vista Search;

In XP, if you enter a search syntax and tell it to search for all
instances of a query, it would search the entire computer which would
very often take a very long time. In Vista, they have indexed the
system, or much of it. You can find out what is indexed, as you have
already been advised, by looking at Indexing Options in the control
panel. Anything that is not indexed can be added to the index, but keep
in mind that if you index the whole computer, then you have created more
very long searches because the index becomes quite large.

When I am going to search for a file that I created, such as a picture,
the quick search without bothering with advanced syntax is to go to the
Documents folder and use the search box there. The idea is that a search
box in a folder searches only that folder, and sub-folders, making it
quite quick. The search box in the start menu searches the indexed
locations only. As Doug M. said, you can plug advanced syntax in the
regular search box, if you take the trouble to learn it. I tag most
documents I create, which makes it really easy to find what I'm looking
for. Best advice? Take the time to learn Vista search. It really is
better that XP, IMHO.

Dave T.
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I have switched completely off indexing since the very beginning of using
Vista.
I have the "Search the non indexed... , and might be slow" checkbox checked.
But the search does not find my pictures from users\..\pictures folders.
Maybe it will find those files if I set searching folder to the
users\..\pictures, but then, what is the point of searching if I already know
where my filea are?
I have found, that the pictures folder is not the only exeption for the
search. Every now and then I meet the problem, that Vistas Search does not
find some files that I know for sure are located somewhere in my system.
Usually I set "Search all local hard drives" on. But this would not help.
 
Retroman said:
You have full control over what folders are indexed. Use the Indexed
Locations dialog, reached via the Modify button on the Indexing Options
dialog (from Control Panel). After clicking the button, click the
Advanced button to see the folder selection tree.

Of course, you can search non-indexed folders at any time by choosing the
"include non-indexed, hidden, and system files" option, but that is slow
if there are many files.

One other tip: if files that you know exist in an indexed folder do not
show in results, they may be marked "hidden" or "system". An indexed
search will never return files with these attributes, and you may be
surprised at how many ordinary files are so marked (or mismarked). Either
remove the offending attributes or do a non-indexed search to find such
files. Of course, even then the files will only appear in search results
if Win Explorer has been told to "show hidden and system files".

As for date formats in queries, I believe that you can use whatever format
Windows shows for short dates in your Regional & Language Options settings
in Control Panel. However, I have not tried the format that you
mentioned.

Good luck!

Doug M. in NJ
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1. I do not use any indexing.
2. Those files are not hidden or system. See the screen capture, that is
made after the search was finished (without success):
http://www.arbuarkel.ee/~sulev/up/Pildid/Vista search.jpg
3. I always have "show hidden and system files" checked.
4. I made some tests yesterday and found, that it does not matter what time
format I use, Vistas search will not search my files from the pictures folder
anyway.

Seems like I have to switch to some third party desktop search.
 
Sults said:
I have switched completely off indexing since the very beginning of using
Vista.
I have the "Search the non indexed... , and might be slow" checkbox checked.
But the search does not find my pictures from users\..\pictures folders.
Maybe it will find those files if I set searching folder to the
users\..\pictures, but then, what is the point of searching if I already know
where my filea are?
I have found, that the pictures folder is not the only exeption for the
search. Every now and then I meet the problem, that Vistas Search does not
find some files that I know for sure are located somewhere in my system.
Usually I set "Search all local hard drives" on. But this would not help.
Click to expand...

Let's try an experiment. Turn indexing back on. Go into control panel
Indexing options and confirm that "Users" is indexed. Wait for the index
to rebuild itself and then try your search terms again exactly as you
have it in the link you sent to us, and let us know what the result was.

Also, you have specified that search doesn't work in your pictures
folder. Does it work in other folders?

One more thing, when you have the search window open, Click tools >
folder options > search and under the heading "how to search" make sure
that "include subfolders" is checked.

Dave T.
 
Dave T. said:
Let's try an experiment. Turn indexing back on. Go into control panel
Indexing options and confirm that "Users" is indexed. Wait for the index
to rebuild itself and then try your search terms again exactly as you
have it in the link you sent to us, and let us know what the result was.

Also, you have specified that search doesn't work in your pictures
folder. Does it work in other folders?

One more thing, when you have the search window open, Click tools >
folder options > search and under the heading "how to search" make sure
that "include subfolders" is checked.

Dave T.
Click to expand...

I think I finally figured out what was the reason for the trouble: my
girlfriends camera had wrong date, the year was incorrect (2008). So it was
normal that Vista search did not found any recent pictures with the name I
was searching for.

Thank you all, who were so kind and offered several suggestions!
 
Thanks, but I have another question: how do I stop the search ?
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Good question. During very long searches, a button with a red X will
appear just to the left of the search entry window in Win Explorer. Click
that to halt the search. If the button does not appear, you just have to
wait, as far as I know.

I keep thinking that there should be a keyboard shortcut to stop a search
in progress, but I haven't been able to find it. Perhaps someone else
here knows the answer.

Doug M. in NJ
 
Retroman said:
Good question. During very long searches, a button with a red X will
appear just to the left of the search entry window in Win Explorer. Click
that to halt the search. If the button does not appear, you just have to
wait, as far as I know.

I keep thinking that there should be a keyboard shortcut to stop a search
in progress, but I haven't been able to find it. Perhaps someone else
here knows the answer.

Doug M. in NJ
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The only way I have discovered is if you have the menu bar active during
the search you can File > Close.

Dave T.
 
The only way I have discovered is if you have the menu bar active during
the search you can File > Close.

Dave T.
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Thanks, Dave, I hadn't thought of that! Alt+F then C will do it.

Regards,

Doug M. in NJ
 
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