How to download RealPlayer without using their downloader?

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How to download RealPlayer without using their downloader?
And is there any way at all that you can stop it popping up messages?
I've toothcombed the options menu!
 
By now, you may have been advised that it is possible to see and hear REAL
media
by other means than installing RealOne or RealPlayer. Do a Google search to
locate
RealAlternative. It contains the codecs needed to see and hear such media,
and will
automatically install them. Also, it installed an earlier "fixed" version
of Windows
Media Player that will now be able to do all sorts of magical things,
including those
REAL media files ... even streaming.

Try this URL: http://reformed-theology.org/downloads/realalternative104.exe

and, as long as you are substituting media players, you can replace
QuickTime:

http://www.free-codecs.com/cgi-bin/TopDown/download.pl?file=00400

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How to download RealPlayer without using their downloader?

Huh? Their webpage is a carefully crafted mace of disinformation, but
I've never seen them offering it via their downloader. Got a link?
And is there any way at all that you can stop it popping up messages?

Welcome to the world of annoying (and hopefully soon to be extinct)
media players / codecs.

You have three choices as I see it. You can uninstall RealPlayer and get
RealAlternative. I'm not sure in the legalities of that though. Technically
you're probably breaking some EULA by doing so.

You can uninstall what you have now and grab the latest beta of RealPlayer
10. It's still somewhat decieving, so you have to be alert when installing. It
is, however, the first new version of RealPlayer that is tamable once you've
sifted through the options a couple of times. You can tell the message center
to get lost and that's always good.

I also found the UI slightly more responsive, but I might be imagining that.

Download the RP10 beta here:
http://fileforum.betanews.com/detail.php3?fid=959031648

Your third options is to boycott their player and not use streams or sites
that require it. Remember to email these sites and tell them why their
choice of streaming media was a very, very bad one.
 
| news:86kensFQqjIAFwPu@[127.0.0.1]...
|
| > How to download RealPlayer without using their downloader?
|
| Huh? Their webpage is a carefully crafted mace of
disinformation, but
| I've never seen them offering it via their downloader. Got a
link?
|
| > And is there any way at all that you can stop it popping up
messages?
|
| Welcome to the world of annoying (and hopefully soon to be
extinct)
| media players / codecs.
|

Well, to be fair, the task of sending streaming media over a
phone line (or broadband) is daunting. There's some stuff in
common with printing, in which a buffer in the printer is
continuously filled by the computer. Here's an example of the
dialog between computer and printer:
C: Are you listening?
P: Yes, I'm ready.
C: Are you ready to receive data?
P: Yes, go ahead and send.
C: (sends data)
P: Stop, Stop! I'm full.
C: Stops sending
C: Can I send more?
P: No. Not yet.
P: Ok, I have room in my buffer for more text.
C: (sends the next batch of data).
P: Stop, Stop! I'm full.
(this routine repeats as the buffer is printed and replenished)
C: I've reached the end of the data.
P: OK I'm breaking the connection.
C: Nice knowing you. Goodbye.

Streaming media works the same way.
A couple of broadcasters I use offer .MP3 as an option to Real.
Their .MP3 is not a stream, but is saved to disk at a speed of
about 4x. After the stream is completely downloaded, it is a file
and it plays. For "live" transmission, I don't see why codecs
would not be needed.

| You have three choices as I see it. You can uninstall
RealPlayer and get
| RealAlternative. I'm not sure in the legalities of that though.
Technically
| you're probably breaking some EULA by doing so.
|

I don't see any violations so long as you are not using
copyrighted content to avoid buying it. Obviously, content that's
transmitted over free public airwaves is clearly in the public
domain at the time that it is broadcast. Some broadcast stations
provide streaming of their live transmission, but not of any
archived content. Stations that produce their own shows often
provide archives for download, but just of those programs that
they produced themselves.

As to uninstalling Real Player, Oh God! I will never install
anything from Real Networks again because the uninstallation was
such a nightmare. You can read my earlier post wherein I wrote a
bit about this. I think that many people will find it easier to
wipe their hard drives and reload all their software fresh than
trying to uninstall Real.

| You can uninstall what you have now and grab the latest beta of
RealPlayer
| 10. It's still somewhat decieving, so you have to be alert when
installing. It
| is, however, the first new version of RealPlayer that is
tamable once you've
| sifted through the options a couple of times. You can tell the
message center
| to get lost and that's always good.
|
| I also found the UI slightly more responsive, but I might be
imagining that.
|
| Download the RP10 beta here:
| http://fileforum.betanews.com/detail.php3?fid=959031648
|

I would not do this even if I was paid! I certainly wouldn't want
my computer to be raped a second time.

| Your third options is to boycott their player and not use
streams or sites
| that require it. Remember to email these sites and tell them
why their
| choice of streaming media was a very, very bad one.
|

I have done this and I've never been given the courtesy of a
reply. However, I may have had an effect. A couple of the
broadcast sites that I've used have begun to provide alternatives
to Real streaming. MP3 download certainly sounds a hell of a lot
better.

Also, don't forget what some other people here have said: they're
using jetAudio or the Real Alternative/Media Player Classic combo
to play Real streams. In fact, that's what I do. I have found no
reason to be afraid of this software (yet).

Richard
 
A couple of broadcasters I use offer .MP3 as an option to Real.
Their .MP3 is not a stream, but is saved to disk at a speed of
about 4x.

MP3s can be streamed too using Shoutcast/Icecast. It's quite
nifty and doesn't require a stupid player to function.
After the stream is completely downloaded, it is a file
and it plays. For "live" transmission, I don't see why codecs
would not be needed.

MP3 is a codec.

Don't misunderstand me, I'm not advocating an end to streaming
media in general. I just want RealNetworks to file a chapter 11 and
stop polluting Internet (sic) with their subpar offerings.
I don't see any violations so long as you are not using
copyrighted content to avoid buying it.

RealAlternative is a repack of Real's DLL-files. That, I'm sure, is
a violation of the EULA and thus pretty grey-area'ish.
I would not do this even if I was paid! I certainly wouldn't want
my computer to be raped a second time.

If you keep your eyes open, it's not /that/ bad now.
 
Huh? Their webpage is a carefully crafted mace of disinformation, but
I've never seen them offering it via their downloader. Got a link?


Welcome to the world of annoying (and hopefully soon to be extinct)
media players / codecs.

You have three choices as I see it. You can uninstall RealPlayer and get
RealAlternative. I'm not sure in the legalities of that though. Technically
you're probably breaking some EULA by doing so.

You can uninstall what you have now and grab the latest beta of RealPlayer
10. It's still somewhat decieving, so you have to be alert when installing. It
is, however, the first new version of RealPlayer that is tamable once you've
sifted through the options a couple of times. You can tell the message center
to get lost and that's always good.

I also found the UI slightly more responsive, but I might be imagining that.

Download the RP10 beta here:
http://fileforum.betanews.com/detail.php3?fid=959031648

Your third options is to boycott their player and not use streams or sites
that require it. Remember to email these sites and tell them why their
choice of streaming media was a very, very bad one.

Received this message whenI tried to download from the baove URL :

Sorry

The file requested /083ad8eaf57bb8de7b06/windows/RealPlayer10Beta.exe
cannot be found.
The usual reason for this is that you are attempting to use an expired
URL to download a RealNetworks product. Please return to the
RealNetworks web site for product and download info.

Our download links change several times daily, so visit our site to
get the current info.

And they want your credit card information before you can download it.


SIAOGU

The husband is the head of the house. The wife is the neck. And the neck turns the head.
 
Received this message whenI tried to download from the baove URL :

Sorry

The file requested /083ad8eaf57bb8de7b06/windows/RealPlayer10Beta.exe
cannot be found.
The usual reason for this is that you are attempting to use an expired
URL to download a RealNetworks product. Please return to the
RealNetworks web site for product and download info.

Our download links change several times daily, so visit our site to
get the current info.

And they want your credit card information before you can download it.

This page has info on how to download and install RealOne Player:

http://home.comcast.net/~leeandheather/tutorials/realone.htm

HTH
 
Sweden;
http://ftp.idg.se/natkom/arkiv/program/media/real/realone/RealPlayer10Beta.exe

Kenya;
http://www.ikenya.com/ftp/download.php?fichier=RealPlayer10Beta.exe

Cheers!

Son Of Spy

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| in message |
| > A couple of broadcasters I use offer .MP3 as an option to
Real.
| > Their .MP3 is not a stream, but is saved to disk at a speed
of
| > about 4x.
|
| MP3s can be streamed too using Shoutcast/Icecast. It's quite
| nifty and doesn't require a stupid player to function.
|

You mean these aren't players? So, how do they play?


| > After the stream is completely downloaded, it is a file
| > and it plays. For "live" transmission, I don't see why codecs
| > would not be needed.
|
| MP3 is a codec.
|

Exactly. There are codecs and there are codecs. Any technology
that can be imagined can be incorporated. Real, for example, is
especially good at resuming after interruptions. But is
Shoutcast/Icecast safe? As I recall, certain players had the
ability to play the streams.

| Don't misunderstand me, I'm not advocating an end to streaming
| media in general. I just want RealNetworks to file a chapter 11
and
| stop polluting Internet (sic) with their subpar offerings.
|

It would be easier if the content providers wouldn't insist on
providing their material exclusively as Real streams. Real sure
seems to have become the Microsoft of the Streaming Media World.
It is important that all of us complain to the content providers
about their de-facto standard, and try to get them to change.
That's the only thing that has a chance of getting action that
you want.

| > I don't see any violations so long as you are not using
| > copyrighted content to avoid buying it.
|
| RealAlternative is a repack of Real's DLL-files. That, I'm
sure, is
| a violation of the EULA and thus pretty grey-area'ish.
|

There is absolutely no violation of anything because it is Real's
..DLLs and more. They want it this way. Read on!

I've just been examining the RealAlternative file set. I've
concluded that RA is, in fact, a wholly-owned product of Real
Networks. In fact, one of the files is their very own logo (an
icon). Every file in the set has their copyright notice embedded.
Further, within that file set, you'll find the cookie that
they're using to track you! I'm certain that it is 100% their own
property, released into the world by them. It is not an
alternative to their abusive business practices, just to their
own player.

My cookie-management software doesn't see this file, which, like
other things that this company does, uses clandestine
concealment. In other words, my cookie software tells me that the
coast is clear because it is looking at the Atlantic coast: Real
puts its cookie in the Pacific. In this case, the concealment
consists of placing the file not in the "legitimate" cookie
directory, "C:\Windows\Cookies," but in one of the
RealAlternative directories where it won't be expected. I
examined this file and found every site I'd downloaded their
streams from. And I also found a web address that included the
phrase "akarealnetworks." In other words, a joke: "also known as
us!"

Look at your own. it's named "cookies.txt," just the same as the
"legitimate" cookie files (yeah, right; as if cookies were ever
"legitimate."). Just load it into any text program, such as
"Notepad." See where you've been.

| > I would not do this even if I was paid! I certainly wouldn't
want
| > my computer to be raped a second time.
|
| If you keep your eyes open, it's not /that/ bad now.
|

I've been looking more carefully, and I'm finding things a lot
_worse_ than I'd discovered earlier. I've been burned twice
already with horribly-invasive installations by Real. I've had it
forever! The only thing that I can say in RA's favor is that the
associated software, in this case, Media Player Classic, is a
much cleaner installation. I have concluded that RealAlternative
is spyware. Why am I not surprised?

* NOTICE- SEE THE NEWSGROUP ALT.PRIVACY.SYPWARE FOR AN EMERGING
THREAD ON THIS VERY IMPORTANT ISSUE!

Richard
 
You mean these aren't players? So, how do they play?

No, they are both streaming servers. Both are free (Icecast is open
source). Any fairly capable player should be able to stream the files.

I use Winamp.
Real, for example, is especially good at resuming after interruptions.
But is Shoutcast/Icecast safe? As I recall, certain players had the
ability to play the streams.

What do you mean by 'safe'? Are you thinking of any potential privacy
issues? Icecast is fully open sourced, and not backed by a huge (or in
Real's case: crappy) company trying to make a quick buck.

MP3 isn't as great as some of the newer codecs like OGG Vorbis, MP3 Pro,
AAC or WMA (!), but I still prefer it to the other formats for various
reasons. OGG Vorbis is awfully nice though and Icecast also handles that
format.
It would be easier if the content providers wouldn't insist on
providing their material exclusively as Real streams. Real sure
seems to have become the Microsoft of the Streaming Media World.

I disagree. Microsoft has become the Microsoft of the Streaming Media
World. RealNetworks was marginalized a long time ago and that's
why they're grasping at straws now by suing Microsoft (via the EU).
There is absolutely no violation of anything because it is Real's
.DLLs and more. They want it this way. Read on!

You can't just take copyrighted works and distribute them as
you like. Sorry, that doesn't fly.
I've just been examining the RealAlternative file set. I've
concluded that RA is, in fact, a wholly-owned product of Real
Networks.

I'm quite sure that you're 110% in the wrong here. I'll post back later
when I've installed Real Alternative and examined the files.
My cookie-management software doesn't see this file, which, like
other things that this company does, uses clandestine
concealment.

It's not concealed. You'll see cookies mentioned in both the EULA
and in the preferences.
In other words, my cookie software tells me that the
coast is clear because it is looking at the Atlantic coast: Real
puts its cookie in the Pacific. In this case, the concealment
consists of placing the file not in the "legitimate" cookie
directory, "C:\Windows\Cookies," but in one of the
RealAlternative directories where it won't be expected.

That cookie directory is only used by IE. Mozilla, for instance,
keeps its cookies in its profile directory and that doesn't make
the cookies any less "legitimate". Does it?
* NOTICE- SEE THE NEWSGROUP ALT.PRIVACY.SYPWARE FOR AN EMERGING
THREAD ON THIS VERY IMPORTANT ISSUE!

OKAY. CAPS LOCK. EXCLAMATION MARK.

....

I still think you're wrong though.
 
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