How to determine the film Vendor/Brand/Type for use within VueScan and SilverFast?

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Hello and thanks for the help,

I have a large number of Negative Film strips that I want to scan (Epson
4870), but I don't know how to determine their film Vendor, Brand and Type.
I'm using VueScan and SilverFast to scan these film strips. VueScan and
SilverFast need to be told the film Vendor, Brand, and Type for them to do
their jobs properly.

For example, I have Color Negative Film strips shot in 1968 with a consumer
grade camera (40th Anniversary of my Grandparents). The text on the edge of
these film strips states: "Kodak Safety 12776". The base material of the
film is red-orange. So I know these strips are Vendor=Kodak. But how do I
determine the Brand (Ektacolor, Kodocolor, GOLD, etc.), and what is the Type
(100 Print gen 4, 100-2, etc.)?

What film Vendor/Brand/Type should I select for the scanner? (VueScan has
over 100 options for Kodak. SilverFast also has a large number of options
for Kodak.)

Can you recommend a website (or other source) with information on how to
identify consumer grade film Vendor/Brand/Type?

Thanks,
DG
 
DG said:
For example, I have Color Negative Film strips shot in 1968 with a consumer
grade camera (40th Anniversary of my Grandparents). The text on the edge of
these film strips states: "Kodak Safety 12776". The base material of the
film is red-orange. So I know these strips are Vendor=Kodak. But how do I
determine the Brand (Ektacolor, Kodocolor, GOLD, etc.), and what is the Type
(100 Print gen 4, 100-2, etc.)?
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Forget about it. Even if those profiles would work (they definitely
don't) they would be rendered useless by the effects of almost 40 years
of aging.

Ralf
 
DG said:
Hello and thanks for the help,

I have a large number of Negative Film strips that I want to scan
(Epson 4870), but I don't know how to determine their film Vendor,
Brand and Type. I'm using VueScan and SilverFast to scan these film
strips. VueScan and SilverFast need to be told the film Vendor,
Brand, and Type for them to do their jobs properly.

For example, I have Color Negative Film strips shot in 1968 with a
consumer grade camera (40th Anniversary of my Grandparents). The
text on the edge of these film strips states: "Kodak Safety 12776".
The base material of the film is red-orange. So I know these strips
are Vendor=Kodak. But how do I determine the Brand (Ektacolor,
Kodocolor, GOLD, etc.), and what is the Type (100 Print gen 4,
100-2, etc.)?
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In the VueScan help file (User's Guide | Film types) is a reference to
film (perforation) edge markings (colored stripes/dots). Those will
help to identify some of the older film types.

If the films have suffered from poor keeping conditions, you might
want to try VueScan's "Restore fading" filter.

You can also try some other, similar, film types, and see if you like
those better.

Bart
 
Hello Bart,

Unfortunately, my film type is not included in the film list in the VueScan
User's Guide.

Thanks for taking a shot.
DG
 
DG said:
Hello and thanks for the help,

I have a large number of Negative Film strips that I want to scan (Epson
4870), but I don't know how to determine their film Vendor, Brand and Type.
I'm using VueScan and SilverFast to scan these film strips. VueScan and
SilverFast need to be told the film Vendor, Brand, and Type for them to do
their jobs properly.

For example, I have Color Negative Film strips shot in 1968 with a consumer
grade camera (40th Anniversary of my Grandparents). The text on the edge of
these film strips states: "Kodak Safety 12776". The base material of the
film is red-orange. So I know these strips are Vendor=Kodak. But how do I
determine the Brand (Ektacolor, Kodocolor, GOLD, etc.), and what is the Type
(100 Print gen 4, 100-2, etc.)?

What film Vendor/Brand/Type should I select for the scanner? (VueScan has
over 100 options for Kodak. SilverFast also has a large number of options
for Kodak.)

Can you recommend a website (or other source) with information on how to
identify consumer grade film Vendor/Brand/Type?
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Are you certain about the number? All of the Kodak types I have seen have a
4 digit code.
The film you have is showing a bit of color shift. Any profile you are
likely to find won't work.
You need Digital ROC.
In 1968, I was shooting Kodacolor X
Jim
 
DG said:
Hello Bart,

Unfortunately, my film type is not included in the film list in the VueScan
User's Guide.

Thanks for taking a shot.
DG

In the VueScan User Manual, there is a procedure described under
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'Advanced Workflow Suggestions' whereby you scan a piece of the leader
or other 'clear' area to establish the mask color for that specific roll
of film. I use it for every roll, even if the type is known and in the
list. I've noted many times by looking at several rolls of the same
film type that the mask color is not the same from roll to roll. I
don't know if this is age, processing variations, or whatever, but this
procedure makes all of that a moot point.

hth,
Mike
 
Jim said:
Are you certain about the number? All of the Kodak types I have seen have a
4 digit code.
The film you have is showing a bit of color shift. Any profile you are
likely to find won't work.
You need Digital ROC.
In 1968, I was shooting Kodacolor X
Jim
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From Hamrick.com
http://www.hamrick.com/vuescan/html/vuesc15.htm#topic14

Here is one cross reference that Hamrick does not have.
http://www.taphilo.com/photo/kodakfilmnumxref.shtml

Take this chart with a large grain of salt, it has some errors.
Kodak 5035 is KodaColor II ASA 100.

Kodak 5075 is KodaColor II ASA 400. No code name. Process is C-41
It is listed as EKTACHROME 40OX Professional in this chart.

Fuji film type:
http://www.taphilo.com/photo/fujifilmxref.shtml

Misc. film type:
http://www.taphilo.com/photo/miscfilmxref.shtml
 
CSM1 said:
From Hamrick.com
http://www.hamrick.com/vuescan/html/vuesc15.htm#topic14

Here is one cross reference that Hamrick does not have.
http://www.taphilo.com/photo/kodakfilmnumxref.shtml

Take this chart with a large grain of salt, it has some errors.
Kodak 5035 is KodaColor II ASA 100.

Kodak 5075 is KodaColor II ASA 400. No code name. Process is C-41
It is listed as EKTACHROME 40OX Professional in this chart.

Fuji film type:
http://www.taphilo.com/photo/fujifilmxref.shtml

Misc. film type:
http://www.taphilo.com/photo/miscfilmxref.shtml
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Yes, but if I remember correctly, Kodacolor II was introduced around 1970,
so that is more than likely not what the OP has. That was when I began
using it. Kodacolor II was supposed to be an improvement, but one thing
they didn't improve was color stability. Many of my negatives have massive
color shifts. My Kodacolor X negatives have a slight green shift...
Now, if the OP resides in Europe, all bets are off. Many a time, Europe got
new emulsions before those of us across the pond.
Jim
 
DG said:
Hello and thanks for the help,

I have a large number of Negative Film strips that I want to scan (Epson
4870), but I don't know how to determine their film Vendor, Brand and Type.
I'm using VueScan and SilverFast to scan these film strips. VueScan and
SilverFast need to be told the film Vendor, Brand, and Type for them to do
their jobs properly.

For example, I have Color Negative Film strips shot in 1968 with a consumer
grade camera (40th Anniversary of my Grandparents). The text on the edge of
these film strips states: "Kodak Safety 12776". The base material of the
film is red-orange. So I know these strips are Vendor=Kodak. But how do I
determine the Brand (Ektacolor, Kodocolor, GOLD, etc.), and what is the Type
(100 Print gen 4, 100-2, etc.)?
Click to expand...
I looked at a couple of rolls that I shot in 1968. The film is marked as:
Kodak Safety Film
Kodacolor X

There is no type marking on the film Kodak sometimes did not put the film
type on amateur rolls.

A couple of thoughts:

"Kodak Safety 12776" should read "Kodak Safety Film". It has been safety
film since the 30s, but they never missed a chance to tell us.
The only types of color negative film at that time were Kodacolor and
Ektacolor. Most amateurs bought Kodacolor.

This film is none of the one you mentioned. Kodak quit using Kodacolor when
they introduced VR (or was it Gold?). And it most assuredly is not C41; it
is instead C22.

It seems that you should chose one of the available types and make
corrections as needed. I even scanned some Kodachrome with the E6 setting,
and it wasn't too bad (except for a green shift).

Jim
 
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