hiding vista and xp partitions

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michail iakovou yos

It is a known fact that if you have a dual boot XP and Vista system
then the restore points on each installation get purged.
Someone said that you have to hide the partitions from each installtion so
this
would not happened. So I installed acronis disk director, and tried to
hide the XP partition that was on the first partition of my first disk
(vista is on the
second partition of the first disk). However acronis gave me an error that
it could
not hide the first partition of the first disk.

Can anyone please explain what I have to do so that the restore points
of both XP and Vista will not be deleted?

thanks
 
You need to hide the Vista partition from the XP partition.

Only that? are you sure ?

Please confirm this so I wont do a mistake...

thanks
 
michail said:
It is a known fact that if you have a dual boot XP and Vista system
then the restore points on each installation get purged.
Someone said that you have to hide the partitions from each installtion so
this
would not happened. So I installed acronis disk director, and tried to
hide the XP partition that was on the first partition of my first disk
(vista is on the
second partition of the first disk). However acronis gave me an error that
it could
not hide the first partition of the first disk.

Can anyone please explain what I have to do so that the restore points
of both XP and Vista will not be deleted?
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What are you using to control your dual boot? If you are using either the
XP or Vista boot manager, then I think you are out of luck. Based on what
Disk Director is reporting, my guess is you are using the Vista boot
manager, which has placed its boot files on the first partition of the first
disk. You can't hide that because if you did there would be no way to boot
the PC.

You need to look at installing a more robust boot manager. I recommend
Bootit NG from http://www.terabyteunlimited.com. It can handle the ability
to boot into either XP or Vista as well as hiding the partitions that you
want hidden.

For exactly how to switch your current setup to a dual boot under Bootit NG,
post your details to their support newsgroup. Account information is
available at http://www.terabyteunlimited.com/oehelp.html, or use their
web-based front-end at http://www.terabyteunlimited.com/webnews.html.
 
but someone said here that you could do it with acronis and that
acronis was vista compatible....

I will see that other program you say
 
Michail,

I'm not sure what the person that suggested it to you meant by "hiding" but
IMHO it will be enough to unassign drive letter for the volume you are
trying to "hide". Let's say you would like to hide Vista partition from XP.
To do so:

- Boot into XP
- Open Disk Management (Start > Run > diskmgmt.msc)
- Right-click Vista volume, select "Change Drive Letter and Paths..."
- Remove assigned drive letter.

You can also turn off system restore for specific volume.
 
You need to prevent XP's volsnap.sys (VSS driver) from enumerating Vista's
VSS snapshots and deleting them. So you hide Vista from XP. Vista knows
all about XP so XP files are in no danger. XP knows nothing about Vista so
it is the Vista files you are protecting from XP.
 
Michail:
If you installed Xp then Vista your boot files should be on your XP
partition. Hiding the Vista partition from XP is the goal so that when XP
boots it doesn't delete the Vista volsnap.sys files. I'm using BitLocker in
Vista to accomplish the same goal, but it's only available with Business,
Enterprise and Ultimate. When booted into Vista Enterprise x64, I can see
the XP, XPx64 and data partitions and access all partitions normally. When
booted into XP or XPx64, I can see the XP, XPx64 and data partitions but
only see a drive letter for the Vista partition with no access to any of the
data on the Vista partition.
 
Hello thank you for your reply... but let me tell you why I posted this
question and maybe you can explain it ....

I had XP on my pc on the first partition of the first drive, and installed
vista RC2 on the second partition of the first drive.
I was using both OS from time to time..
at one point something (not related to any of this) happened and I had to do
a system restore on XP or else I would have a big problem. To my
astonishment.. I saw
that all the restore points on XP were missing!!!
And then I remembered that I read in this newsgroup that vista can delete
your restore points on XP. Because XP was messed up so much and I had no
restore points I ended
up formatting XP and because vista was the cause out of my disgust I
formatted that too! lol

After some time I thought I would give it a second try.. now I have XP on
the first partition and vista RC2 on the second....but I don't want the
restore points to vanish,
in case I need them!

can you make any sense of this? Someone said vista knows XP, but if that is
the case
why did it delete the restore points on there?


Thanks in advance
 
That does NOT work.
I have tried it.

DCR

| Michail,
|
| I'm not sure what the person that suggested it to you meant by "hiding" but
| IMHO it will be enough to unassign drive letter for the volume you are
| trying to "hide". Let's say you would like to hide Vista partition from XP.
| To do so:
|
| - Boot into XP
| - Open Disk Management (Start > Run > diskmgmt.msc)
| - Right-click Vista volume, select "Change Drive Letter and Paths..."
| - Remove assigned drive letter.
|
| You can also turn off system restore for specific volume.
|
| --
| Alexander Suhovey
|
|
| | >> You need to hide the Vista partition from the XP partition.
| >
| > Only that? are you sure ?
| >
| > Please confirm this so I wont do a mistake...
| >
| > thanks
| >
| >
| > | >> Michail:
| >> You need to hide the Vista partition from the XP partition.
| >>
| >> --
| >> Dennis Pack
| >> Vista x64 Enterprise
| >> Office 2007
| >> | >>> It is a known fact that if you have a dual boot XP and Vista system
| >>> then the restore points on each installation get purged.
| >>> Someone said that you have to hide the partitions from each installtion
| >>> so this
| >>> would not happened. So I installed acronis disk director, and tried to
| >>> hide the XP partition that was on the first partition of my first disk
| >>> (vista is on the
| >>> second partition of the first disk). However acronis gave me an error
| >>> that it could
| >>> not hide the first partition of the first disk.
| >>>
| >>> Can anyone please explain what I have to do so that the restore points
| >>> of both XP and Vista will not be deleted?
| >>>
| >>> thanks
| >>
| >
|
 
My XP restore points are all fine
Both Vista x86 and x64 are installed and booted at least once a day.


DCR


| Hello thank you for your reply... but let me tell you why I posted this
| question and maybe you can explain it ....
|
| I had XP on my pc on the first partition of the first drive, and installed
| vista RC2 on the second partition of the first drive.
| I was using both OS from time to time..
| at one point something (not related to any of this) happened and I had to do
| a system restore on XP or else I would have a big problem. To my
| astonishment.. I saw
| that all the restore points on XP were missing!!!
| And then I remembered that I read in this newsgroup that vista can delete
| your restore points on XP. Because XP was messed up so much and I had no
| restore points I ended
| up formatting XP and because vista was the cause out of my disgust I
| formatted that too! lol
|
| After some time I thought I would give it a second try.. now I have XP on
| the first partition and vista RC2 on the second....but I don't want the
| restore points to vanish,
| in case I need them!
|
| can you make any sense of this? Someone said vista knows XP, but if that is
| the case
| why did it delete the restore points on there?
|
|
| Thanks in advance
|
|
| | > Michail:
| > If you installed Xp then Vista your boot files should be on your XP
| > partition. Hiding the Vista partition from XP is the goal so that when XP
| > boots it doesn't delete the Vista volsnap.sys files. I'm using BitLocker
| > in Vista to accomplish the same goal, but it's only available with
| > Business, Enterprise and Ultimate. When booted into Vista Enterprise x64,
| > I can see the XP, XPx64 and data partitions and access all partitions
| > normally. When booted into XP or XPx64, I can see the XP, XPx64 and data
| > partitions but only see a drive letter for the Vista partition with no
| > access to any of the data on the Vista partition.
| > --
| > Dennis Pack
| > Vista x64 Enterprise
| > Office 2007
| > | >>> You need to hide the Vista partition from the XP partition.
| >>
| >> Only that? are you sure ?
| >>
| >> Please confirm this so I wont do a mistake...
| >>
| >> thanks
| >>
| >>
| >> | >>> Michail:
| >>> You need to hide the Vista partition from the XP partition.
| >>>
| >>> --
| >>> Dennis Pack
| >>> Vista x64 Enterprise
| >>> Office 2007
| >>> | >>>> It is a known fact that if you have a dual boot XP and Vista system
| >>>> then the restore points on each installation get purged.
| >>>> Someone said that you have to hide the partitions from each installtion
| >>>> so this
| >>>> would not happened. So I installed acronis disk director, and tried to
| >>>> hide the XP partition that was on the first partition of my first disk
| >>>> (vista is on the
| >>>> second partition of the first disk). However acronis gave me an error
| >>>> that it could
| >>>> not hide the first partition of the first disk.
| >>>>
| >>>> Can anyone please explain what I have to do so that the restore points
| >>>> of both XP and Vista will not be deleted?
| >>>>
| >>>> thanks
| >>>
| >>
| >
|
|
|
 
You lost your XP restore points for some other reason that you should be
trying to isolate. I boot both and all of my XP restore points remain and
when I boot into XP and then back into Vista, there are no Vista restore
points remaining.
 
Thank you John...

So only XP deletes the Vista restore points..
I wonder why I had no restore points left on XP though... who knows...

I now used acronis from XP to hide the vista partition, and I hope this will
be ok.

thanks again
 
Machail:
By hiding the Vista partition you should now be able to maintain
restore points in Vista. I booted into all 3 operating systems on this
computer and restore points are present in each operating system. I've lost
restore points in XP or XPx64 before Vista was available but never found the
cause.
 
If you are booting into XP to hide the Vista partition, it is too late.
They will already be lost.
You must find a way to hide the Vista partition before you boot into XP.
You will also have to consider where your boot files reside.
 
But your Vista restore points are the ones at risk. Booting into XP wipes
the VISTA restore points.
 
Are you using PerfectDisk? Do you do boot time defrags?

--


Regards,

Richard Urban
Microsoft MVP Windows Shell/User
(For email, remove the obvious from my address)

Quote from George Ankner:
If you knew as much as you think you know,
You would realize that you don't know what you thought you knew!
 
Yes, I know
The Vista restore points AND the Vista update lists are for sure gone
each time I boot XP.

DCR

| But your Vista restore points are the ones at risk. Booting into XP wipes
| the VISTA restore points.
|
| | > My XP restore points are all fine
| > Both Vista x86 and x64 are installed and booted at least once a day.
| >
| >
| > DCR
| >
| >
| > | > | Hello thank you for your reply... but let me tell you why I posted this
| > | question and maybe you can explain it ....
| > |
| > | I had XP on my pc on the first partition of the first drive, and
| > installed
| > | vista RC2 on the second partition of the first drive.
| > | I was using both OS from time to time..
| > | at one point something (not related to any of this) happened and I had
| > to do
| > | a system restore on XP or else I would have a big problem. To my
| > | astonishment.. I saw
| > | that all the restore points on XP were missing!!!
| > | And then I remembered that I read in this newsgroup that vista can
| > delete
| > | your restore points on XP. Because XP was messed up so much and I had no
| > | restore points I ended
| > | up formatting XP and because vista was the cause out of my disgust I
| > | formatted that too! lol
| > |
| > | After some time I thought I would give it a second try.. now I have XP
| > on
| > | the first partition and vista RC2 on the second....but I don't want the
| > | restore points to vanish,
| > | in case I need them!
| > |
| > | can you make any sense of this? Someone said vista knows XP, but if that
| > is
| > | the case
| > | why did it delete the restore points on there?
| > |
| > |
| > | Thanks in advance
| > |
| > |
| > | | > | > Michail:
| > | > If you installed Xp then Vista your boot files should be on
| > your XP
| > | > partition. Hiding the Vista partition from XP is the goal so that when
| > XP
| > | > boots it doesn't delete the Vista volsnap.sys files. I'm using
| > BitLocker
| > | > in Vista to accomplish the same goal, but it's only available with
| > | > Business, Enterprise and Ultimate. When booted into Vista Enterprise
| > x64,
| > | > I can see the XP, XPx64 and data partitions and access all partitions
| > | > normally. When booted into XP or XPx64, I can see the XP, XPx64 and
| > data
| > | > partitions but only see a drive letter for the Vista partition with no
| > | > access to any of the data on the Vista partition.
| > | > --
| > | > Dennis Pack
| > | > Vista x64 Enterprise
| > | > Office 2007
| > | > | > | >>> You need to hide the Vista partition from the XP partition.
| > | >>
| > | >> Only that? are you sure ?
| > | >>
| > | >> Please confirm this so I wont do a mistake...
| > | >>
| > | >> thanks
| > | >>
| > | >>
| > | >> | > | >>> Michail:
| > | >>> You need to hide the Vista partition from the XP partition.
| > | >>>
| > | >>> --
| > | >>> Dennis Pack
| > | >>> Vista x64 Enterprise
| > | >>> Office 2007
| > | >>> | > | >>>> It is a known fact that if you have a dual boot XP and Vista system
| > | >>>> then the restore points on each installation get purged.
| > | >>>> Someone said that you have to hide the partitions from each
| > installtion
| > | >>>> so this
| > | >>>> would not happened. So I installed acronis disk director, and tried
| > to
| > | >>>> hide the XP partition that was on the first partition of my first
| > disk
| > | >>>> (vista is on the
| > | >>>> second partition of the first disk). However acronis gave me an
| > error
| > | >>>> that it could
| > | >>>> not hide the first partition of the first disk.
| > | >>>>
| > | >>>> Can anyone please explain what I have to do so that the restore
| > points
| > | >>>> of both XP and Vista will not be deleted?
| > | >>>>
| > | >>>> thanks
| > | >>>
| > | >>
| > | >
| > |
| > |
| > |
| >
| >
|
 
If you are booting into XP to hide the Vista partition, it is too late.


Hi, it is too late for the old restore points in vista you mean?

That's ok.. I have hidden the vista partition from xp
so the new vista restore points generated will be intact..

right?
 
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