Hewlard Packard 4200+ CPU terribly slow at startup and turn-off

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My new HP Pavillion 4200+ is very slow at start up and for that matter at
shutdown.

My older 2800+ CPU was much faster in both and had a lot more programs
installed.

Both computers have Windows XP installed and both computers have 1 GB of RAM

What do you recommend for both "problems"?
 
Check what 'junk' (utilities) the HP is loading at startup.
Having more or less programs installed wont make a difference, unless those
apps load anything
 
My new HP Pavillion 4200+ is very slow at start up and for that matter at
shutdown.

My older 2800+ CPU was much faster in both and had a lot more programs
installed.

Both computers have Windows XP installed and both computers have 1 GB of RAM

What do you recommend for both "problems"?


Get rid of all the junk that HP installs, all that OEM
software and background-running stuff is usually the cause.

Check Add/Remove programs, your taskbar tray, Start Menu,
and Task Manager to get some idea of all the extra stuff.

Often I advise to just wipe the hard drive and install XP
clean, not from an OEM restore disc, but some systems don't
even include the full XP installation disc and some users
dont' have the ability and/or want the hassle of doing it,
so then the option of uninstalling the extra bloat could be
more desirable.
 
My new HP Pavillion 4200+ is very slow at start up and for that matter at
shutdown.

My older 2800+ CPU was much faster in both and had a lot more programs
installed.

Both computers have Windows XP installed and both computers have 1 GB of RAM

What do you recommend for both "problems"?

When I bought a Compaq as a second PC it was filled with crud software
like everyone says. I ended up reformatting it and and reinstalling
WIN XP etc.

In fact I have to do that again with my main system AMD dual core. Got
infected by some malware or something and it keeps coming back. It
pops up ads randomly in new windows while Im using IE. Ive used 4
different anti spyware progs and several antivirus progs. Im throwing
in the towel and reformatting.
 
Reformatting is no option, since HP gives no disks, only a resetting to the
bare essentials, INCLUDING all the HP stuff.
 
Reformatting is no option, since HP gives no disks, only a resetting to the
bare essentials, INCLUDING all the HP stuff.

My Compaq had a recovery partition in which you could make recovery
CDs. HP owns Compaq.

http://forums.whirlpool.net.au/forum-replies-archive.cfm/466749.html

They say every HP after 2003 has a recovery partition.
You can restore it to the original state and then remove HP untils. If
its already in the orig state you might just want to go through the
ADD/REMOVE programs and try to remove as many HP utils as possible.

Some of the things that made my PC dog slow, astonishingly slow at
start up or shut off -- AOL. I had to check the billings page since I
had a Gift Card deal that included signing up with AOL eventhough I
already had a cable modem. Yeesh talk about excruciating. Even after I
took AOL off it was slow.

Some antivirus software can be dog slow. Firewall software can be
slow. Wireless utils can be slow like stuff for routers and wireless
cards. Messaging programs can sometimes be slow.

Check for spyware etc.

AVG antivirus is free and not that slow and they have ewidos free
spyware monitor which ironically can be slow but use it to check your
system and then take it off if you dont like it. Theres also Spybot
search and destroy which is free but it doesnt catch some stuff that
Eiwdos did on my system. The creepy thing is when you do a search some
idiotic websites will try to trick you as if they have something to do
with SPY BOT search and destroy and then when you go to their site
they infest you with tons of spyware.

Check in RUN in WIN XP type in msconfig and check STARTUP
which will list various things loaded when you startup.
 
DL said:
Check what 'junk' (utilities) the HP is loading at startup.
Having more or less programs installed wont make a difference, unless those
apps load anything

One way is to see what apps are starting at startup is MSCONFIG -- click on
Start > Run > MSCONFIG, then click on its Startup tab. This is a fairly
safe way to experimentally remove apps from the startup list to see
what effect that has on startup/shutdown times.
 
I have gone to the MSCONFIG way and have VERY little to startup.
BUT it makes no difference, startup takes many minutes.
 
I do have the same AV program on both machines, NOD32, so that should not
make a difference.

I also use wireless for my laptop, but again, I have that on both the 2800+
and the HP 4400+. So again it is apples to apples.
 
Ritter197 said:
My new HP Pavillion 4200+ is very slow at start up and for that
matter at shutdown.

My older 2800+ CPU was much faster in both and had a lot more programs
installed.

Both computers have Windows XP installed and both computers have 1 GB
of RAM
What do you recommend for both "problems"?

You might download a free copy of Belarc Adviser or Everest Home Edition and
see what they show on both systems. They show condition of "smart" drives,
Actual CPU speed and so on.

On one computer Everest identified the CPU as being over clocked where it
should not have been. With more checking we found the vender had supplied a
slower CPU than what was ordered and was over clocking it to try and make up
the difference.

Anyway I'd run one or both of the programs just to verify what your system
is operating at.
 
I have looked at all of the recommended and have eliminated things in
Startup to 2 items.
But I see nothing there about the stuff that HP loads.
The same is true for Add/Remove programs.
Now I see LOTS of programs when I go to the taskmanager, but there is no way
to permanently to disable them. How do I go about that?

I hate to buy a new installation of windowsxp and reformat and then totally
reinstall all programs which I want to keep.

I guess MS will not allow me to install the original disks for winxp into
this new desktop computer, right?
 
Ritter197 said:
I have looked at all of the recommended and have eliminated things in
Startup to 2 items.
But I see nothing there about the stuff that HP loads.
The same is true for Add/Remove programs.
Now I see LOTS of programs when I go to the taskmanager, but there is no
way to permanently to disable them. How do I go about that?

I hate to buy a new installation of windowsxp and reformat and then
totally reinstall all programs which I want to keep.

I guess MS will not allow me to install the original disks for winxp into
this new desktop computer, right?

Wrong. As long as you have a valid separate COA for this machine, what disks
you
use has no relevance.
 
I have looked at all of the recommended and have eliminated things in
Startup to 2 items.

What is "startup"?

Use a startup scanner like HijackThis,
http://www.majorgeeks.com/download3155.html

Run it, choosing to do a scan and save a logfile if unsure
of some items. If that logfile is reasonably sized, you
could include it in your post. There are also web forums
where the members are practiced in examining HijackThis
logs, would be more familiar with some of the more esoteric
software that the OEMs bundle.

You'd also need to mention what functionality you *need*.
For example, many consumer grade printers or winmodems will
load something that may (or may not) be in your Taskbar
tray, and if you need the functionality you have to let that
program load. Other times you might need a base
functionality but not some of the extra stuff you never use.
For example, if your video card driver loads a hotkeys hook
(which allows certain keyboard combination to change driver
settings), "IF" you never use those hotkey features.

But I see nothing there about the stuff that HP loads.
The same is true for Add/Remove programs.

After cleaning out any extraneous stuff shown in HijackThis
logs, it might not hurt to scan the system for viri, adware,
etc.

Now I see LOTS of programs when I go to the taskmanager, but there is no way
to permanently to disable them. How do I go about that?

Depends on what they are... some are integral to windows and
can't (or shouldn't, again according to your system
use/needs), and others might be disabled by disabling some
of the unnecessary services Windows runs by default. Google
search for "Windows [insert version here] Services" to find
some guides towards disabling those unnecessary, but beware
that disabling anything crucial can render the system
unbootable (windows will crash and need repair installed in
those cases).

I hate to buy a new installation of windowsxp and reformat and then totally
reinstall all programs which I want to keep.

The same version XP (home?) full installation disc might
install using your systems' product key. You'd have to find
someone with this same version, but it must install using
YOUR key (typically on a sticker on the side or rear of the
case). You may also need call MS to activate it, AND as
importantly you will need to have assembled the needed
hardware drivers. Typically I'd put them in a folder ready
to install (unzipped or otherwise decompressed since that's
how OEMs usually distribute them). Another alternative that
is often better (but more work) is to get the newest drivers
per each device from the respective chipset manufacturer.
For example if your motherboard used a Via chipset, you'd
get the driver from Via, or more specifically,
http://www.viaarena.com Same for the Intel chipsets or
ATI/nVidia/whoever video, modem, sound, etc.

It's a lot more work to track down the drivers but over the
life of the system may be worthwhile to have archived,
particularly if you ever need to do a repair install of the
OS (again needing the full xp installation disc) instead of
wiping the whole partition with the OEM restore disc
(causing loss of data if you hadn't backed up everything,
but you ARE making regular backups, right?).

I guess MS will not allow me to install the original disks for winxp into
this new desktop computer, right?

Your license is for a specific version of windows,
regardless of where you get those files from.
However, by doing without the restoration disc, you not only
have to round up your own drivers for anything not
*natively* supported by windows, you also lose any other
software HP might've installed. For a desktop and a user
with their own software this usually isn't much of a loss,
as much of the OEM installed stuff is lite or old versions
and some merely trial versions. Even so, we can't know what
you find useful or of value and some things are more
proprietary like notebook power management console software.
 
I never heard the COA expression. What is it?

pen said:
Wrong. As long as you have a valid separate COA for this machine, what
disks you
use has no relevance.
 
I never heard the COA expression. What is it?


OEM systems don't typically come with the Certificate
anymore, instead there's a sticker on the side or back with
the installation key on it. That is the *new* certificate.
 
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