HELP I need to delete Windows 7 64bit

[Desmond]

Hi Guys. This might sound silly but I am a bit of a geek and have built andrepared computers. I have a hard disl and windows is screwing up. It is the only parttion on it. I like to partiton a hard disk with a windows only partition but in this case I am stuffed.

I re-booted the PC with another disk and installed windows. This works fine..

I plugged in the SATA cable to the internal disk. Using MS DOS diskpart I made it inactive. As I am not booting of this internal disk, I tried to delete the windows partiton. It apears I need permission to perform this operation. This is a stand alone PC. I am the sole owner of it. Why do I need permission to delete a folder of another hard disk that is not active and I amnot booting from it? HELP ME PLEASE (Desperate)

TIA

Desmond.

 

[Paul]

Hi Guys. This might sound silly but I am a bit of a geek and have built and repared computers. I have a hard disl and windows is screwing up. It is the only parttion on it. I like to partiton a hard disk with a windows only partition but in this case I am stuffed.

I re-booted the PC with another disk and installed windows. This works fine.

I plugged in the SATA cable to the internal disk. Using MS DOS diskpart I made it inactive. As I am not booting of this internal disk, I tried to delete the windows partiton. It apears I need permission to perform this operation. This is a stand alone PC. I am the sole owner of it. Why do I need permission to delete a folder of another hard disk that is not active and I am not booting from it? HELP ME PLEASE (Desperate)

TIA

Desmond.

Diskpart "clean", seems to remove MBR contents (no partition
table any more). So that would be a quick way to remove the
*entire* contents of a disk. Rather drastic though.

http://www.sevenforums.com/tutorials/52129-disk-clean-clean-all-diskpart-command.html

And that's not a "secure delete", merely the fastest way to
hide what was previously on there. Wouldn't take much in the
way of forensics to bring it all back (TestDisk).

*******

People first experience the problem with the Windows folder,
when deleting "Windows.old" on an repair/upgrade install. The
OS usually resists this, and it would be a permission problem.
(Disk Cleanup actually handles that case quite nicely. I was
just using that example as an illustration of a "pit full of
snakes" that you'd find inside a Windows folder. I think I tried
that once, manually, and met instant resistance )

A solution for that is Take Ownership. Followed by "Full Control".

http://www.sevenforums.com/tutorials/1911-take-ownership-shortcut.html

(Ref: http://www.vistax64.com/tutorials/112795-context-menu-take-ownership.html )

But being a lazy guy, I just boot a Linux LiveCD or pen drive,
and permissions mean nothing from there. You can delete what
you want You don't learn anything doing it that way though.

I guess you can see why I don't really need a Take Ownership
context menu entry I'm that lazy.

Actually, there is some science to deleting, but it only becomes
necessary to use brain power, when deleting a lot of stuff. For
example, if you attempt to use the trash bin on WinXP, and throw
a million files in there, it'll lock up for sure. If you use
command prompt, and say "del filename", that seems to execute
pretty fast (compared to any Trash bin shenanigans). So there
will be occasions, when you need to know the absolutely best
way to delete something, that runs as fast as possible. On WinXP,
I'd be just as likely to "format" a partition, as to try to erase
a major folder, due to how crappy the Explorer implementation is.
And that's still going to be true of the other OSes. Typically,
an OS is not allowed to "optimize" file operations - even though
as users, we could say ("just rewrite the entire $MFT and remove
all the references to those million files in one shot"), such a
jumping to conclusions is not allowed in the file system business.
It's "one at a time, for safety". And that sucks.

Paul

 

[Desmond]

Actualy no. Ibuilt my first computer Nascom in 1974. I do know about Diskpart. It does not remove every thing. The contents are still there and readable. As for

Windows.old I have not made that silly mistake.

/*
And that's not a "secure delete", merely the fastest way to
hide what was previously on there. Wouldn't take much in the
way of forensics to bring it all back (TestDisk).
*/

I am not interested in forensics just the ability to remove the replacment HDD (I will switch of the PC first unless sombody coments on this) and with the aid of a windows DVD or bootable USB be able to install Windows 7 fresh.

 

[Paul]

Actualy no. Ibuilt my first computer Nascom in 1974. I do know about Diskpart. It does not remove every thing. The contents are still there and readable. As for

Windows.old I have not made that silly mistake.

/*
And that's not a "secure delete", merely the fastest way to
hide what was previously on there. Wouldn't take much in the
way of forensics to bring it all back (TestDisk).
*/

I am not interested in forensics just the ability to remove the replacment HDD (I will switch of the PC first unless sombody coments on this) and with the aid of a windows DVD or bootable USB be able to install Windows 7 fresh.

Let's review the options again.

Two disks. Booted from Disk 1, dealing with C: on Disk 0.

+-----+-----------------------------------+
| MBR | C: partition you no longer want | Disk 0
+-----+-----------------------------------+

+-----+-----------------------------------+
| MBR | C: you are booted from | Disk 1
+-----+-----------------------------------+

To delete *all partitions* of Disk 0, use the DiskPart
command and the "clean" option, after selecting Disk 0
for the treatment. Don't use "clean" on Disk 1, as you're
booted from it.

To remove the Windows folder contained in C: on Disk 0,
you use Take Ownership and Full Control as options. Since
we're booted from the C: on Disk 1, the partition on Disk 0
is likely labeled with the letter D: or the like.

The article Brinks wrote, says "do not navigate to the top
of the C: you're booted from, and Take Ownership of C:".
That would screw up the permissions on the active boot
drive. If you use Take Ownership in the above scenario,
it would be "booting from Disk 1" and TakeOwn of Disk 0
C: partition. Then try deleting, being careful you've
got the correct partition letter.

*******

If you boot from a Recovery CD, and had only one hard
drive present, you may be able to do your deleting
or DiskPart clean from there. So that's another way to
do it. But since there is no GUI in the command prompt
window of the Recovery CD, your TakeOwn will have to be
done with the appropriate command line invocation.

Paul

 

[mmdir2005]

Hi Guys. This might sound silly but I am a bit of a geek and have built and repared computers. I have a hard disl and windows is screwing up. It is the only parttion on it. I like to partiton a hard disk with a windows onlypartition but in this case I am stuffed.



I re-booted the PC with another disk and installed windows. This works fine.



I plugged in the SATA cable to the internal disk. Using MS DOS diskpart Imade it inactive. As I am not booting of this internal disk, I tried to delete the windows partiton. It apears I need permission to perform this operation. This is a stand alone PC. I am the sole owner of it. Why do I need permission to delete a folder of another hard disk that is not active and I am not booting from it? HELP ME PLEASE (Desperate)



TIA



Desmond.

why needs Windows 7? Prefers 64 bits, use Windows XP 64bits.

 

[Mr. Man-wai Chang]

I plugged in the SATA cable to the internal disk. Using MS DOS diskpart I made it inactive. As I am not booting of this internal disk, I tried to delete the windows partiton. It apears I need permission to perform this operation. This is a stand alone PC. I am the sole owner of it. Why do I need permission to delete a folder of another hard disk that is not active and I am not booting from it? HELP ME PLEASE (Desperate)

Disk operations in Vi$ta/Win 7/Win 8 always requests admin permission
via User Account Control.

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[Desmond]

Hi Guys. This might sound silly but I am a bit of a geek and have built and repared computers. I have a hard disl and windows is screwing up. It is the only parttion on it. I like to partiton a hard disk with a windows onlypartition but in this case I am stuffed.



I re-booted the PC with another disk and installed windows. This works fine.



I plugged in the SATA cable to the internal disk. Using MS DOS diskpart Imade it inactive. As I am not booting of this internal disk, I tried to delete the windows partiton. It apears I need permission to perform this operation. This is a stand alone PC. I am the sole owner of it. Why do I need permission to delete a folder of another hard disk that is not active and I am not booting from it? HELP ME PLEASE (Desperate)



TIA



Desmond.

Hi I do know how drive lettering works and if I plug the internal drive in after boot up it will go from C to D. My computer does show all of this. How do I take ownership of the internal drive which I already own as a singlestand alone PC in my own house (Not a big business company).

How do I take ownership???


TIA

Desmond.

 

[Desmond]

Hi Guys. This might sound silly but I am a bit of a geek and have built and repared computers. I have a hard disl and windows is screwing up. It is the only parttion on it. I like to partiton a hard disk with a windows onlypartition but in this case I am stuffed.



I re-booted the PC with another disk and installed windows. This works fine.



I plugged in the SATA cable to the internal disk. Using MS DOS diskpart Imade it inactive. As I am not booting of this internal disk, I tried to delete the windows partiton. It apears I need permission to perform this operation. This is a stand alone PC. I am the sole owner of it. Why do I need permission to delete a folder of another hard disk that is not active and I am not booting from it? HELP ME PLEASE (Desperate)



TIA



Desmond.

PS. I do not want to wipe the contents of the internal drive or delete the partition. If I had partitioned the internal drive with only windows on onepartition I would not have this problem.

 

[Mr. Man-wai Chang]

Hi I do know how drive lettering works and if I plug the internal drive in after boot up it will go from C to D. My computer does show all of this. How do I take ownership of the internal drive which I already own as a single stand alone PC in my own house (Not a big business company).
How do I take ownership???

Right click the drive, Security!

DO NOT take ownership if you would return that drive back to its mother
PC. Sign in as Administrator instead, and do the file operations.

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[Desmond]

Hi Guys. This might sound silly but I am a bit of a geek and have built and repared computers. I have a hard disl and windows is screwing up. It is the only parttion on it. I like to partiton a hard disk with a windows onlypartition but in this case I am stuffed.



I re-booted the PC with another disk and installed windows. This works fine.



I plugged in the SATA cable to the internal disk. Using MS DOS diskpart Imade it inactive. As I am not booting of this internal disk, I tried to delete the windows partiton. It apears I need permission to perform this operation. This is a stand alone PC. I am the sole owner of it. Why do I need permission to delete a folder of another hard disk that is not active and I am not booting from it? HELP ME PLEASE (Desperate)



TIA



Desmond.

Ok I will use another language English. I do not sign in as anyone including Bill Gates. So why are you asking me to sign in as someone else when I never sign in. This is as stated previously a stand alone home computer with me being the only person using it. There is absolutely no signing in process. I switch the PC on. Wait a few minutes and start working on it. NO SIGNING ON. Is this clearer?

 

[Paul]

Ok I will use another language English. I do not sign in as anyone including Bill Gates. So why are you asking me to sign in as someone else when I never sign in. This is as stated previously a stand alone home computer with me being the only person using it. There is absolutely no signing in process. I switch the PC on. Wait a few minutes and start working on it. NO SIGNING ON. Is this clearer?

You are being perfectly clear.

However, you don't understand the complicated permissions
problem.

Operating systems use *multiple* account names, to store
information. This forms "compartments". For example, an
account called "TrustedInstaller", owns some of the folders
involved. You cannot log in as TrustedInstaller. Neither
will a typical piece of malware, be running as TrustedInstaller.

That's the theory of how multiple accounts, help in an OS design.
They *prevent* immediate access to things. They must be
circumvented, with lots of silly commands.

To fix that, "Take Ownership" makes sufficient changes to ownership
for some purposes. "Full Control" permission, then finishes the job,
by allowing the actual owner of the computer to delete the files
in question.

It's got nothing to do with your notion of signing in, and
everything to do with understanding how the OS is
compartmentalized. These ideas were imported from Unix
(and Linux). For example, in some Linux setups, you
can't log in as "root" (administrator), but you can
use the command "sudo" to be a "fake administrator". The
Windows "permission dialog" popups, do some similar ideas,
they're the "mother may I" notion of running a computer.

Whether this stops any malware, is debatable. But, it's
all part of the game, of computer maintenance.

As for my computer maintenance skills, I understand the
concepts (from my exposure to other OSes), but not all
the details of the Windows implementation. My brain
refuses to form a detailed model of accounts, ACLs,
and the like. So about all I can do, to help you,
is look up "specific recipes" in the hope the
incantation will be enough to make the problem
go away.

Paul

 

[Yousuf Khan]

Ok I will use another language English. I do not sign in as anyone
including Bill Gates. So why are you asking me to sign in as someone
else when I never sign in. This is as stated previously a stand alone
home computer with me being the only person using it. There is
absolutely no signing in process. I switch the PC on. Wait a few
minutes and start working on it. NO SIGNING ON. Is this clearer?

You actually do sign in as someone, whether you know it or not. Even if
you don't type a password into the computer at the start, you are
running in an user account that simply doesn't have a password. Now,
this user account may be assigned a name like "Computer Owner" or
"Default User", or even be your own name! Did it ask you your name when
you first setup the computer? If so, then it used that name to setup the
default user name.

When people say you need to sign in as administrator, there is a hidden
user account called Administrator that every Windows computer has. You
will be asked from time to time to "Give Administrative Privileges" when
doing certain activities. That simply means that you're temporarily
leaving your default account and logging in as Administrator.

Yousuf Khan

 

[Desmond]

Hi Guys. This might sound silly but I am a bit of a geek and have built and repared computers. I have a hard disl and windows is screwing up. It is the only parttion on it. I like to partiton a hard disk with a windows onlypartition but in this case I am stuffed.



I re-booted the PC with another disk and installed windows. This works fine.



I plugged in the SATA cable to the internal disk. Using MS DOS diskpart Imade it inactive. As I am not booting of this internal disk, I tried to delete the windows partiton. It apears I need permission to perform this operation. This is a stand alone PC. I am the sole owner of it. Why do I need permission to delete a folder of another hard disk that is not active and I am not booting from it? HELP ME PLEASE (Desperate)



TIA



Desmond.

When I right click on WE there is no run as administrator
If I go to control panel User Accounts I have one Icon Des_X1 (this i not the name of an account but the volume ID of the hard drive. It states Administrator.

Confused.

 

[Desmond]

Hi Guys. This might sound silly but I am a bit of a geek and have built and repared computers. I have a hard disl and windows is screwing up. It is the only parttion on it. I like to partiton a hard disk with a windows onlypartition but in this case I am stuffed.



I re-booted the PC with another disk and installed windows. This works fine.



I plugged in the SATA cable to the internal disk. Using MS DOS diskpart Imade it inactive. As I am not booting of this internal disk, I tried to delete the windows partiton. It apears I need permission to perform this operation. This is a stand alone PC. I am the sole owner of it. Why do I need permission to delete a folder of another hard disk that is not active and I am not booting from it? HELP ME PLEASE (Desperate)



TIA



Desmond.

Right click WE and select properties -> Security gives me

SYSTEM
Des_X1(DesX1\Des_X1)
Administrator(Desx1\Administrators)

Control Panel Users gives me one account
Des_X1 Administrator

 

[Yousuf Khan]

Right click WE and select properties -> Security gives me

SYSTEM
Des_X1(DesX1\Des_X1)
Administrator(Desx1\Administrators)

Control Panel Users gives me one account
Des_X1 Administrator

Yes, assuming that you're Des_X1, then that's an administrator account.
However, you don't have full access to administrative privileges until
you raise your administrator hand (so to speak). You have to go to
Control Panel item, such as Disk Partitioning and right click on it, and
one of the options will be "Run as Administrator".

Yousuf Khan