Has MS stuffed Activation Again ?

[Will]

There was an optional download for Nvidia drivers for my MB so I accepted
this along with the defender downloads .and rebooted and all seemed ok.
About 2 hours later I recieved a message that hardware has changed and I
would have to reactivate Vista. Thought it would be simple ( if not bloody
annoying especially as no hardware changes made ) but no the Activation
process shows that my key is already used and basically I cant do an
automatic activation. Now I dont want to have to go through the process of
ringing MS every time they stuff up......


btw: it says I have 3 days before......... BOOOOM ( ok it didnt say
boooom but you get the message )



aggggghhhhhhhhhh

Suggestions please ?

 

[Gordon Keenan]

automatic activation. Now I dont want to have to go through the process of

ringing MS every time they stuff up......

aggggghhhhhhhhhh

Suggestions please ?

Phone them, get a new key and ask the question on what may have caused this.
Or.. don't bother, await the "BOOM" and contemplate your next move.

 

[Will]

Phone them, get a new key and ask the question on what may have caused
this.
Or.. don't bother, await the "BOOM" and contemplate your next move.

Phoning them is by using the automatic key entry method.......witch after
entering over 50 numbers throught the phone will then give me a message
saying that your copy is already activated.........

Next move... refund ?

 

[Gordon Keenan]

Phoning them is by using the automatic key entry method.......witch after
entering over 50 numbers throught the phone will then give me a message
saying that your copy is already activated.........

Next move... refund ?

You can you wait and not enter anything, then a nice person comes on the
phone and asks you for the few few numbers. They will then give you a new
activation code.

Ah.. but... then you will need to retype the new numbers in....

It's a hard life sometimes...

REFUND - Based on "I can't be bothered?" good one! GO FOR IT!

 

[Will]

You can you wait and not enter anything, then a nice person comes on the
phone and asks you for the few few numbers. They will then give you a new
activation code.

Ah.. but... then you will need to retype the new numbers in....

It's a hard life sometimes...

REFUND - Based on "I can't be bothered?" good one! GO FOR IT!

REFUND based on 60 minutes wasted ....


Now how many times will this happen ? This is absolute garbage .


So this is the super new great VISTA........ well &(*O(OI*&(&%^R& microsoft

 

[Gordon Keenan]

REFUND based on 60 minutes wasted ....

Time is relative - You are the only one who can put a value on that one for
yourself.

Now how many times will this happen ? This is absolute garbage .

It may never happen again.. but then again.... tick tick tick....

So this is the super new great VISTA........ well &(*O(OI*&(&%^R&
microsoft

Well its advertised in that way, but you can't please everyone.
If it was a TV I would suggest you change channel...

 

[Stephan Rose]

Phone them, get a new key and ask the question on what may have caused
this. Or.. don't bother, await the "BOOM" and contemplate your next move.

Doesn't anyone think there is something wrong with this?? Seriously...

All this guy apparently did was change his drivers and now he is supposed to
call MS and beg them to turn his windows back on? Basically kiss their feet
and say "please please please let me continue to use winodws, all I did was
update my drivers!!! I bought it! I Swear!! I AM INNOCENT!!!!" or what??

I mean gimme a friggin break...

I really do not understand why people pup up with this...

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[kirk jim]

wake up... MS has a dominant monopoly

if you can find me an OS that can run all the windows applications, and was
good, I would switch.

Hey I know an OS that works.. its called XP!

We are trapped because the apps we use need microsoft windows.
Going to mac or linux means bye bye apps that you are used to using.

 

[Mark Rae]

if you can find me an OS that can run all the windows applications, and
was good, I would switch.

http://www.winehq.org/

 

[Stephan Rose]

wake up... MS has a dominant monopoly

if you can find me an OS that can run all the windows applications, and
was good, I would switch.

Hey I know an OS that works.. its called XP!

We are trapped because the apps we use need microsoft windows.
Going to mac or linux means bye bye apps that you are used to using.

So get used to use *different* apps...not that difficult =)

Short of a couple games, I have found viable alternatives for everything and
my needs go far beyond e-mail and web browsing.

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[Rick Rogers]

Hi Stephan,

You're right, it is an issue that needs attention immediately. However, we
aren't going to resolve it by griping here.

Will needs to make it an issue with his OEM, and others of generic build
need to make it an issue when they call for reactivation. I am also creating
a collection of instances that I will bring up as a problem in my next
interaction with Microsoft (comng soon).

--
Best of Luck,

Rick Rogers, aka "Nutcase" - Microsoft MVP

Windows help - www.rickrogers.org

 

[john]

Hi Stephan,

You're right, it is an issue that needs attention immediately. However, we
aren't going to resolve it by griping here.

You're right of course Rick, this isn't the place. No one wants to come in
here and hear that there may actually be problems with our beloved OS and
our beloved corporate giant.
In fact, I will henceforth resign myself to offering nothing but absolute
praise and mindless devotion to all of Microsoft's products from now on.
btw, on a side note, are you still the chair of the "Bill Gates Shrine"
committee? I forgot to send in last months offering and I want to make it
up.

Will needs to make it an issue with his OEM, and others of generic build
need to make it an issue when they call for reactivation. I am also
creating a collection of instances that I will bring up as a problem in my
next interaction with Microsoft (comng soon).

Attaboy Rick - America and the rest of the world can sleep better tonight
knowing you're on the job.
As soon as your mask and cape come back from the cleaners, would you relay a
message for me?
Tell Bill that if he doesn't straighten out his act and soon, that we're
gonna get together and build the shrine to you instead.
That oughta fix 'im...

 

[Mark Rae]

You're right, it is an issue that needs attention immediately. However, we
aren't going to resolve it by griping here.

Will needs to make it an issue with his OEM, and others of generic build
need to make it an issue when they call for reactivation. I am also
creating a collection of instances that I will bring up as a problem in my
next interaction with Microsoft (comng soon).

AAMOI, I wonder if Microsoft ever considered hardware authentication via a
dongle...?

In my spare time, I use Cubase to do home recording - it comes with a USB
dongle...

Installation is simple - if you don't insert the dongle, it won't install.

Subsequent usage is simple - if you remove the dongle, it won't run.

If you remove the dongle after it's already been launched, it will stop
running.

I could loan the dongle to someone else, but then I couldn't use the
software.

I have no idea how easy it is to clone a dongle, but I'm willing to bet it's
a lot harder than setting up an activation server overseas... Surely the
fact that hardware is involved would make the cost prohibitive anyway...

I appreciate that dongle-protected software *can* be cracked, but Vista
*can* be cracked too...

Maybe the whole process is too complicated...?

 

[Stephan Rose]

AAMOI, I wonder if Microsoft ever considered hardware authentication via a
dongle...?

In my spare time, I use Cubase to do home recording - it comes with a USB
dongle...

Installation is simple - if you don't insert the dongle, it won't install.

Subsequent usage is simple - if you remove the dongle, it won't run.

If you remove the dongle after it's already been launched, it will stop
running.

I could loan the dongle to someone else, but then I couldn't use the
software.

I have no idea how easy it is to clone a dongle, but I'm willing to bet
it's a lot harder than setting up an activation server overseas... Surely
the fact that hardware is involved would make the cost prohibitive
anyway...

I appreciate that dongle-protected software *can* be cracked, but Vista
*can* be cracked too...

Maybe the whole process is too complicated...?

I have used that exact same mechanism for my own software in the past. It
worked extremely well. It was met with some mild resistance by customers in
the beginning but they ended up liking it!

Why did they end up liking it? NO ISSUES!

The dongles also stored information such as what features a user did / did
not have access to, etc. and were remotely upgradable via our software.

The plus about this? They could take their dongle, go to someone elses
machine, plug it in and have instant access to all their features
regardless of installation.

Tech support calls went from overloaded with serial # and key issues
to...almost none. I mean seriously, tech support was loving me for having
eliminated over 70% of their calls and allowing them to focus on actual
*support* issues!

It was the most successful security mechanism I've ever implemented.

As far as copying the dongle, in our case, not "impossible" but the effort
to do so would not make it worth it. To read the dongle contents someone
would have needed to figure out the 128-bit key needed to access the low
level commands that allow to read / write to the dongle directly.

Can be done...but it would take an extremely long amount of time.

The dongle also contained my own executable software that it could run that
was needed to decrypt essential data needed for the application to run.

I don't think dongles are very feasible for an operating system though to be
honest. Dongles get lost, stolen, break, etc. When a software package costs
several thousand dollars and is not something the average joe
uses...dongles are no big deal. But when *everyone* has to have one? When
the entire machine ceases to work because a dongle is lost since it
controls the OS?

When it comes to the mass market, I can imagine dongles would cause more
problems than they would actually fix.


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[Rick Rogers]

And your solution is, John?

If you doubt whether or not I say anything negative about Microsoft, then
you haven't been paying attention. Two things I've learned: 1) If you're
gonna bitch, then bitch to someone that can do something about it and 2) If
you're gonna bitch, make sure you can offer a solution or at least an idea
of how it can be done better.

--
Best of Luck,

Rick Rogers, aka "Nutcase" - Microsoft MVP

Windows help - www.rickrogers.org

 

[Guest]

There was an optional download for Nvidia drivers for my MB so I accepted
this along with the defender downloads .and rebooted and all seemed ok.
About 2 hours later I recieved a message that hardware has changed and I
would have to reactivate Vista. Thought it would be simple ( if not bloody
annoying especially as no hardware changes made ) but no the Activation
process shows that my key is already used and basically I cant do an
automatic activation. Now I dont want to have to go through the process of
ringing MS every time they stuff up......


btw: it says I have 3 days before......... BOOOOM ( ok it didnt say
boooom but you get the message )



aggggghhhhhhhhhh

Suggestions please ?

I had the exact thing happen to me. When I called and went through the
reactivation phone call, after asking me how many computers I have my copy of
Ultimate installed on he said " I guess I will have to take your word for
it". I took this as he was implying that I was a lier and a thief. Then, in
the middle of the guy giving me a new code he told me to hold for a moment
and the next thing I hear is him screaming what I took was an Islamic prayer.
He then completed giving me the code. Nothing against his religion it just
startled and bothered me that his prayer was more important than helping a
customer.
This kind of service has left me with a bad taste in my mouth for Microsoft.
I spent $250.00 for Vista Ultimate and $100.00 more for 2 additional copies
of Home Premium and they have the balls to turn off my key and call me a lier
and a thief.
Unforgiveable in my opinion.

 

[Will]

Hi Stephan,

You're right, it is an issue that needs attention immediately. However, we
aren't going to resolve it by griping here.

Will needs to make it an issue with his OEM, and others of generic build
need to make it an issue when they call for reactivation. I am also
creating a collection of instances that I will bring up as a problem in my
next interaction with Microsoft (comng soon).

Its not an OEM version , its just an upgrade.

Thankyou for your reply and undersatanding of the situation

 

[Will]

Doesn't anyone think there is something wrong with this?? Seriously...

All this guy apparently did was change his drivers and now he is supposed
to
call MS and beg them to turn his windows back on? Basically kiss their
feet
and say "please please please let me continue to use winodws, all I did
was
update my drivers!!! I bought it! I Swear!! I AM INNOCENT!!!!" or what??

I mean gimme a friggin break...

I really do not understand why people pup up with this...

--
Stephan Rose
2003 Yamaha R6

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Spot on Mate.

Will

2006 BMW K1200R

 

[Will]

Time is relative - You are the only one who can put a value on that one
for yourself.
It may never happen again.. but then again.... tick tick tick....
Well its advertised in that way, but you can't please everyone.
If it was a TV I would suggest you change channel...

If it weas a TV channel it would go out of buisness due to low ratings


Anyway hopefully my request to MS support will waste their time .

 

[Will]

I had the exact thing happen to me. When I called and went through the
reactivation phone call, after asking me how many computers I have my copy
of
Ultimate installed on he said " I guess I will have to take your word for
it". I took this as he was implying that I was a lier and a thief. Then,
in
the middle of the guy giving me a new code he told me to hold for a moment
and the next thing I hear is him screaming what I took was an Islamic
prayer.
He then completed giving me the code. Nothing against his religion it just
startled and bothered me that his prayer was more important than helping a
customer.
This kind of service has left me with a bad taste in my mouth for
Microsoft.
I spent $250.00 for Vista Ultimate and $100.00 more for 2 additional
copies
of Home Premium and they have the balls to turn off my key and call me a
lier
and a thief.
Unforgiveable in my opinion.

ROFL

Well when I ring them up if this guy even hints that I am doing something
dishonest I will insist on speaking to someone in a supervisory role and
demand a written apology.

And of course I will record this phone call ( for training purposes of
course )