Hard Drive Failure but not failure

[RedPenguin]

Ok this is what happened to me today.

Two hard drives on my Primary IDE Channel on my old Compaq Desktop EP
6400 series worked fine for a while.

One is an IBM DTTA-351010
and the other is a Quantum Fireball Fitusi MPG3204A7 or something like that

IBM is master and Quantum is slave

For a while they both worked fine together.

Then the Compaq gave me a smart error of 170 saying indefinite or
infinite error.

So I tried rebooting, no luck.

Took out the master and made the Quantum the master that booted fine.

Then took out the quantum and put the IBM as the master and that booted
fine.

After a while of njust taking out the jumpers and putting them
basicallyh back in the same exact spots, it worked, then when I hooked
the PC back, it didn't work.

so I figured even though this sounds stupid, I physically reloacted both
drivbes having the IBM mounted underneat the Queantum and it now seems
to work without any problem.

Any ideas on what could be or could have caused this?

 

[RedPenguin]

Ok this is what happened to me today.

Two hard drives on my Primary IDE Channel on my old Compaq Desktop EP
6400 series worked fine for a while.

One is an IBM DTTA-351010
and the other is a Quantum Fireball Fitusi MPG3204A7 or something like that

IBM is master and Quantum is slave

For a while they both worked fine together.

Then the Compaq gave me a smart error of 170 saying indefinite or
infinite error.

So I tried rebooting, no luck.

Took out the master and made the Quantum the master that booted fine.

Then took out the quantum and put the IBM as the master and that booted
fine.

After a while of njust taking out the jumpers and putting them
basicallyh back in the same exact spots, it worked, then when I hooked
the PC back, it didn't work.

so I figured even though this sounds stupid, I physically reloacted both
drivbes having the IBM mounted underneat the Queantum and it now seems
to work without any problem.

Any ideas on what could be or could have caused this?

Oh and I forgot to mention after I set the quantum to master, I ran
Drive Fitness Test on a floppy, with Advanced test, and it gave
Dispotion Code 0x00 and I did the same after I removed it and made the
IBM the master and it said the samething so it should be no problem at
all with the drives themselves. Can thier just be bad jumpers as in bad
little plastic peaces whatever u call them.

 

[GlowingBlueMist]

Oh and I forgot to mention after I set the quantum to master, I ran
Drive Fitness Test on a floppy, with Advanced test, and it gave
Dispotion Code 0x00 and I did the same after I removed it and made the
IBM the master and it said the samething so it should be no problem at
all with the drives themselves. Can thier just be bad jumpers as in
bad little plastic peaces whatever u call them.

Yes you can have a defective jumper but in your case I would be more
inclined to suspect a defective hard drive cable. Try a different cable and
see if that clears things up.

 

[RedPenguin]

Yes you can have a defective jumper but in your case I would be more
inclined to suspect a defective hard drive cable. Try a different cable and
see if that clears things up.

tried a the cable from my CD-ROMs but it didn't seem to change anything
at the time. But both drives work now.

 

[RedPenguin]

tried a the cable from my CD-ROMs but it didn't seem to change anything
at the time. But both drives work now.

Oh and I forgot in my prev message, both cables are a tad old but it
seemed to work for the CD-ROms the second cable.

 

[Rod Speed]

Ok this is what happened to me today.

Two hard drives on my Primary IDE Channel on my old Compaq Desktop EP 6400 series worked
fine for a while.

One is an IBM DTTA-351010

and the other is a Quantum Fireball Fitusi MPG3204A7 or something like that

Which is it ? That is two completely different
drives you have listed there for the second drive.

If its actually a Fujitsu MPG, you need to backup what data
is on that drive immediately because those drives are dying
like flys and are so bad its produced a full class action suit.

Check what drives you actually have using Everest.
http://www.majorgeeks.com/download.php?det=4181

IBM is master and Quantum is slave

For a while they both worked fine together.

Then the Compaq gave me a smart error of 170 saying indefinite or infinite error.

So I tried rebooting, no luck.

Took out the master and made the Quantum the master that booted fine.

Then took out the quantum and put the IBM as the master and that booted fine.

After a while of njust taking out the jumpers and putting them basicallyh back in the
same exact spots, it worked, then when I hooked the PC back, it didn't work.

Could be a flakey cable or just the MPG going bad if its an MPG.

The fact that it works sometimes and not others is typical of a
bad cable, they generally go bad where the things that pierce
the ribbon cable get bent over and just unplugging and replugging
can see that connection disturbed enough to make it work for a
while and fail again later.

so I figured even though this sounds stupid, I physically reloacted both drivbes having
the IBM mounted underneat the Queantum and it now seems to work without any problem.

That may be just because that involved more plugging and unplugging.

Any ideas on what could be or could have caused this?

If its an MPG drive, its dying and you need to get the data off while you can.

If its not an MPG, get a new cable even tho the one off the
optical drives appears to make no difference, because a
flakey cable will work sometimes and not at other times.

tried a the cable from my CD-ROMs but it didn't seem to change anything at the time. But
both drives work now.

Not clear if you mean that that cable always worked or
sometimes didnt too. If it sometimes didnt, and the second
drive is an MPG, the MPG is dying. Its a heat sensitive fault
and just the time off while reconfiguring is enough for it to cool down.

 

[RedPenguin]

Which is it ? That is two completely different
drives you have listed there for the second drive.

If its actually a Fujitsu MPG, you need to backup what data
is on that drive immediately because those drives are dying
like flys and are so bad its produced a full class action suit.

Check what drives you actually have using Everest.
http://www.majorgeeks.com/download.php?det=4181








Could be a flakey cable or just the MPG going bad if its an MPG.

The fact that it works sometimes and not others is typical of a
bad cable, they generally go bad where the things that pierce
the ribbon cable get bent over and just unplugging and replugging
can see that connection disturbed enough to make it work for a
while and fail again later.


That may be just because that involved more plugging and unplugging.


If its an MPG drive, its dying and you need to get the data off while you can.

If its not an MPG, get a new cable even tho the one off the
optical drives appears to make no difference, because a
flakey cable will work sometimes and not at other times.


Not clear if you mean that that cable always worked or
sometimes didnt too. If it sometimes didnt, and the second
drive is an MPG, the MPG is dying. Its a heat sensitive fault
and just the time off while reconfiguring is enough for it to cool down.

Well on the physical drive it self it says Quantum Fireball but Device
Manager says Fijuni.

 

[Rod Speed]

Rod Speed wrote

Well on the physical drive it self it says Quantum Fireball but Device
Manager says Fijuni.

Likely just DM having a massive brain fart.

See what Everest says.

 

[RedPenguin]

Likely just DM having a massive brain fart.

See what Everest says.

the one in my Linux machine says Fitujini also but I made sure by
re-reading over and over and it definaly says Quantum Fireball.

 

[Rod Speed]

the one in my Linux machine says Fitujini also but I made sure by
re-reading over and over and it definaly says Quantum Fireball.

You've got 3 different spellings of that name now, which is the correct one ?

 

[RedPenguin]

You've got 3 different spellings of that name now, which is the correct one ?

I apolgize, I am not into spelling names like that. It's Fujitsu MPG3204AT E

 

[Rod Speed]

I apolgize, I am not into spelling names like that. It's Fujitsu MPG3204AT E

You should check that out carefully with something like
Everest because those particular drives are dying like
flys. So bad that its generated a full class action suit.

Seems unlikely that a Fujitsu MPG3204AT E would be
physically labelled Quantum Fireball unless fraud is
involved, as you sure its not the other physical drive ?

 

[RedPenguin]

You should check that out carefully with something like
Everest because those particular drives are dying like
flys. So bad that its generated a full class action suit.

Seems unlikely that a Fujitsu MPG3204AT E would be
physically labelled Quantum Fireball unless fraud is
involved, as you sure its not the other physical drive ?

Well I re-read the drive a couple of times. It says IBM Quantum
Fireball. I know for a fact the other is IBM DTTA based on the sizes.
The DTTA is 10gb, and the MPG is 20GB, so on the sizes also, I know for
a fact I am not reading wrong.

 

[Rod Speed]

Well I re-read the drive a couple of times. It says IBM Quantum Fireball.

Yet another variation on what you previously said.

I know for a fact the other is IBM DTTA based on the sizes.
The DTTA is 10gb, and the MPG is 20GB, so on the sizes also, I know for a fact I am not
reading wrong.

Welp, you should still work out where the Fujitsu MPG3204AT E
details are coming from, because that drive is so bad.

 

[RedPenguin]

Yet another variation on what you previously said.


Welp, you should still work out where the Fujitsu MPG3204AT E
details are coming from, because that drive is so bad.

Well, aren't Maxtor 20GB drives supposed to be as bad? Because my 20s
are really basically Quantums, Maxtors, and I guess Fujitsus. I checked
on PC and Device Manager says Quantum so maybe I did actually misread
this drive, anyway I am burning data, because now Windows is claiming I
unplugged the drive, like it's removeable or something, so I am assuming
failure very soon.

 

[RedPenguin]

Yet another variation on what you previously said.


Welp, you should still work out where the Fujitsu MPG3204AT E
details are coming from, because that drive is so bad.

I know this sounds stupid but u never know. Anyone know of a way to get
a new drive (not the samething) from Fugitsu?

 

[Rod Speed]

I know this sounds stupid but u never know. Anyone know of a way to
get a new drive (not the samething) from Fugitsu?

No, its a cash thing, not a new drive. Fujitsu
gave up completely on 3.5" IDE drives.