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Steve Hall

From a stumbling XP user

I have just fitted an 80Gb hard disk to my pentium III
computer.
The BIOS seems to recognise it and the device manager
seems to recognise it however it is not formatted and
therefore no drive letter has been assigned and I cannot
therefore access it. How do you format a hard drive
using XP as the only other time I tried (windows 95 and
98) I used FDisk.
 
How to Partition and Format a Hard Disk in Windows XP
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;313348&Product=winxp

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| From a stumbling XP user
|
| I have just fitted an 80Gb hard disk to my pentium III
| computer.
| The BIOS seems to recognise it and the device manager
| seems to recognise it however it is not formatted and
| therefore no drive letter has been assigned and I cannot
| therefore access it. How do you format a hard drive
| using XP as the only other time I tried (windows 95 and
| 98) I used FDisk.
 
Steve Hall said:
From a stumbling XP user

I have just fitted an 80Gb hard disk to my pentium III
computer.
The BIOS seems to recognise it and the device manager
seems to recognise it however it is not formatted and
therefore no drive letter has been assigned and I cannot
therefore access it. How do you format a hard drive
using XP as the only other time I tried (windows 95 and
98) I used FDisk.

Click start/run and type

diskmgmt.msc

And then right click on the Drive in question, choose format (make it NTFS,
not FAT32), then let it rip. if you want to do this fast, check the "Quick
Format" box. Then give it a drive letter. If you don't want it to have a
name, remove it from the box (as to leave it blank), which defaults to "New
Volume" and click OK.
 
Hi, Tom - and Steve.

To pick a small nit...
And then right click on the Drive in question, choose format [...]
Then give it a drive letter.

The volume ("drive") must have a "drive letter" BEFORE it can be formatted.
To adapt the oft-quoted legal phrase from TV, "If you don't have a drive
letter, one will be created for you" before the format. Even in MS-DOS
days, we had to say "Format X:", not just "Format the third partition on the
second HD."

Disk Management will handle this, though, asking for a letter before it
offers to format the new volume.

We don't actually "format a hard drive". First we create one to four
partitions on the HD, then we assign each partition a "drive" letter, then
we format each partition individually. We don't format the entire drive
unless we've included all of it in a single partition. If we choose, we may
make ONE of the partitions an "extended partition"; this cannot be assigned
a "drive" letter or formatted, but one or more logical drives may be created
within the extended partition and each logical drive can be assigned a drive
letter and individually formatted. It's less confusing - and more
accurate - to refer to "volumes" and "volume letters", but there's not much
chance of changing common usage at this late date. We really format
volumes, not hard drives or even partitions, sometimes.

In MS-DOS (including Win9x/ME, which required that we reboot into MS-DOS to
do this job), we used FDISK to create the partitions and logical drives and
assign letters to them. Then we used Format.exe to format each volume. In
Win9x/ME, we could use Device Manager to reassign drive letters. In WinXP,
we use Disk Management to create, delete and format volumes, as well as to
assign and reassign "drive" letters.

No operating system will obey an order to commit suicide, or to saw off the
limb it's sitting on. So, to format the System Partition or Boot Volume
(almost always Drive C:), we have to boot from some other source. In
Win9x/ME, we booted from an MS-DOS boot floppy - Drive A: - to format Drive
C:. In WinXP, we boot from the WinXP CD-ROM and have it partition and
format the hard drive. During Setup, we create and format Drive C: and, if
different, the Boot Volume where we will install WinXP. Later, we will use
Disk Management to handle any other volumes.

So, Steve, to ADD your new 80 GB HD to your existing system, just shut down
and physically install it (cables, jumpers, etc.). Then reboot into WinXP
and use Disk Management to create the volume(s) you need on it, assign
"drive" letter(s), and format it (them). But, if you plan to replace your
old HD and use this new one as the boot device, post back for more and
different instructions; that's more complicated.

RC
 
R. C. White said:
Hi, Tom - and Steve.

To pick a small nit...
<snipped>

Well, you're wrong too, because before adding the letter (which there is an
option to select to "not" assign one when that part arrives), one has to
choose what kind of partition they want (i.e. Primary, Extended, logical),
then select the amount of space they want to allocate, even if it is all of
it remaining, then the drive letter (or not have a letter). Then on to
formatting, and what file system (NTFS, FAT32), with the "Volume label"
(which is the name and can be removed), with also quick format selection and
file/folder compression too.
 
Hi, Tom.

Hmmm... I never saw that "Do not assign a drive letter or drive path" line
before! That's going to take some research.

A quick look in the Help file doesn't help much. I haven't found any
discussion of creating a "drive" without a letter. There is something about
removing a letter, but I don't have time right now to follow that
discussion.

Do you have a reference for when and why we might want a volume with NO
drive letter? This is not available with FDISK/Format.exe, is it?

RC
 
R. C. White said:
Hi, Tom.

Hmmm... I never saw that "Do not assign a drive letter or drive path" line
before! That's going to take some research.

A quick look in the Help file doesn't help much. I haven't found any
discussion of creating a "drive" without a letter. There is something about
removing a letter, but I don't have time right now to follow that
discussion.

Do you have a reference for when and why we might want a volume with NO
drive letter? This is not available with FDISK/Format.exe, is it?

Hi RC,

As far as that option, it is simply an option not to assign a drive during
creation of the partition, as one can be added later, even after formatting.

Anyway, I have two 120g physical SATA HDDs, with 2 partitions on each. My
"D:" drive on the system HDD only is used for some program files, and a few
music items for now. So, I copied those files to my "F:" drive, and then
deleted the "D" drive, and went through the process as I stated (just to
refresh my memory), and it is yes to all your queries, except there is no
FDISK in XP; that is only a 98/ME bootdisk utility.
 
" No operating system will obey an order to commit suicide, or to saw off
the limb it's sitting on. "

No Start->Shutdown->Selfdestruction button? :-)

// Chen

R. C. White said:
Hi, Tom - and Steve.

To pick a small nit...
And then right click on the Drive in question, choose format [...]
Then give it a drive letter.

The volume ("drive") must have a "drive letter" BEFORE it can be formatted.
To adapt the oft-quoted legal phrase from TV, "If you don't have a drive
letter, one will be created for you" before the format. Even in MS-DOS
days, we had to say "Format X:", not just "Format the third partition on the
second HD."

Disk Management will handle this, though, asking for a letter before it
offers to format the new volume.

We don't actually "format a hard drive". First we create one to four
partitions on the HD, then we assign each partition a "drive" letter, then
we format each partition individually. We don't format the entire drive
unless we've included all of it in a single partition. If we choose, we may
make ONE of the partitions an "extended partition"; this cannot be assigned
a "drive" letter or formatted, but one or more logical drives may be created
within the extended partition and each logical drive can be assigned a drive
letter and individually formatted. It's less confusing - and more
accurate - to refer to "volumes" and "volume letters", but there's not much
chance of changing common usage at this late date. We really format
volumes, not hard drives or even partitions, sometimes.

In MS-DOS (including Win9x/ME, which required that we reboot into MS-DOS to
do this job), we used FDISK to create the partitions and logical drives and
assign letters to them. Then we used Format.exe to format each volume. In
Win9x/ME, we could use Device Manager to reassign drive letters. In WinXP,
we use Disk Management to create, delete and format volumes, as well as to
assign and reassign "drive" letters.

No operating system will obey an order to commit suicide, or to saw off the
limb it's sitting on. So, to format the System Partition or Boot Volume
(almost always Drive C:), we have to boot from some other source. In
Win9x/ME, we booted from an MS-DOS boot floppy - Drive A: - to format Drive
C:. In WinXP, we boot from the WinXP CD-ROM and have it partition and
format the hard drive. During Setup, we create and format Drive C: and, if
different, the Boot Volume where we will install WinXP. Later, we will use
Disk Management to handle any other volumes.

So, Steve, to ADD your new 80 GB HD to your existing system, just shut down
and physically install it (cables, jumpers, etc.). Then reboot into WinXP
and use Disk Management to create the volume(s) you need on it, assign
"drive" letter(s), and format it (them). But, if you plan to replace your
old HD and use this new one as the boot device, post back for more and
different instructions; that's more complicated.

RC
--
R. C. White, CPA
San Marcos, TX
(e-mail address removed)
Microsoft Windows MVP

Tom said:
Click start/run and type

diskmgmt.msc

And then right click on the Drive in question, choose format (make it
NTFS,
not FAT32), then let it rip. if you want to do this fast, check the "Quick
Format" box. Then give it a drive letter. If you don't want it to have a
name, remove it from the box (as to leave it blank), which defaults to
"New
Volume" and click OK.
 
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