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Hi everybody
I have been experiencing a problem and I don't know how to fix it. The
problem is this: every time I started my Outlook Express to chech the mail I
get tens of undizired mail "Microsoft with diffrent names". This mail is
one ex. Sender: "Network Email Storage System" <[email protected]>
Recipient: "net client" <[email protected]>
Subject: Announcement

I have Norton Anti Virus 03 but it can't do any thing about it. BTW I don't
have any Firewall.

Any help would be greatly appreciated!
 
from the wonderful said:
Hi everybody
I have been experiencing a problem and I don't know how to fix it. The
problem is this: every time I started my Outlook Express to chech the mail I
get tens of undizired mail "Microsoft with diffrent names". This mail is
one ex. Sender: "Network Email Storage System" <[email protected]>
Recipient: "net client" <[email protected]>
Subject: Announcement

I have Norton Anti Virus 03 but it can't do any thing about it. BTW I don't
have any Firewall.
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groups.google.com 'SWEN.A worm'
You need to use mailwasher, or similar, to kill them at your ISPs server
before you download them (or block them .. again, read the last week or
two's posting here for lots of ideas how).

DON'T open any of the attachments.
 
x-no-archive:yes


Read this link for the correct information about Microsoft email:
http://www.microsoft.com/security/antivirus/authenticate_mail.asp

This link explains why you need a firewall. Very Important
http://www.zonelabs.com/store/conte...081987!-1062696905!7551!7552?lid=home_seclink

Finally read this link about Newsgroups:
Learn about newsgroups at the news.newusers.questions Web site:
http://members.fortunecity.com/nnqweb/


For replies change the second "k" to a "d" in the email address to read
"kedesh".
 
Hi everybody
I have been experiencing a problem and I don't know how to fix it. The
problem is this: every time I started my Outlook Express to chech the
mail I get tens of undizired mail "Microsoft with diffrent names".
This mail is one ex. Sender: "Network Email Storage System"
<[email protected]> Recipient: "net client"
<[email protected]> Subject: Announcement
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You can put Mailwasher in front of the machine to trap the emails before
pulling them to OE and you can delete them from the ISP's mail server.
That would require you to take OE out of its Auto Send/Recieve state at
OE start-up and on its timed basis.
I have Norton Anti Virus 03 but it can't do any thing about it. BTW I
don't have any Firewall.
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So what are you doing to ensure that no malware has come past the AV and
is connecting out? Are you even looking around to see if something is
connecting out?

Maybe, you can get away without running a FW on a Win 9'x or ME O/S
stripped of all vulnerable applications and/or services, but the fact
that you're even running Outlook leaves that in question.

On the NT based O/S(s), I would think not running with a FW with all the
vulerable services and applications on those O/S(s) with the O/S(s) not
being stripped or disabled of the vulerable stuff is questionable.

Again using Outlook and running without a FW makes one wonder just what
has been done to protect the O/S running on the Intenet without a FW.

Duane :)
 
re the firewall aspirin....

if you are going to use broadband, why fool with a software based
product that was written by someone who may or may not be a step or
two ahead of the hackers? After all, malicious code is code and
software firewalls are code too.

Suggestion here is for a router box.....and up to date anti virus
software..... and no attachments unless you are sure....

Routers are not expensive anymore.

Each time I see a machine using a software firewall I usually see
someone 'OKing' access to the internet anyway, so, what is the use?
The average user does not know application names, and, when they see
'Iexplore.exe is asking to access the internet', whatcha think they
do? Of course. Same thing with adware stuff. The average person wants
EMail and web access....the two things that cause and let problems in
and out and the two things that people 'allow' past firewalls......

IMHO.
Joe
 
if you are going to use broadband, why fool with a software based
product that was written by someone who may or may not be a step or
two ahead of the hackers? After all, malicious code is code and
software firewalls are code too.
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Post this to someone who is going to listen. I have been programming for
many years and you need not explain to me about any programming code O/S
wise or anything else wise.
Suggestion here is for a router box.....and up to date anti virus
software..... and no attachments unless you are sure....

Routers are not expensive anymore.
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The router can be beaten too on the inbound and outbound connections. Why,
because it's just another program that's running.
Each time I see a machine using a software firewall I usually see
someone 'OKing' access to the internet anyway, so, what is the use?
The average user does not know application names, and, when they see
'Iexplore.exe is asking to access the internet', whatcha think they
do? Of course. Same thing with adware stuff. The average person wants
EMail and web access....the two things that cause and let problems in
and out and the two things that people 'allow' past firewalls......
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If the user doesn't know what he or she is doing to begin with to use a
product, then it's not the product's fault or the programmer(s) who wrote
the programs for the product fault either.

Speaking from a programmer's view point, the programmer cannot account for a
user's ignorance in using a product.

Duane :)
 
If I spend $$ for a firewall, why do I have to stand on my head and read
backwards in order to use it properly? We "civilians" want to be effective
firewall users too.
 
If I spend $$ for a firewall, why do I have to stand on my head and read
backwards in order to use it properly? We "civilians" want to be effective
firewall users too.
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There is no single firewall that is smart enough to know what is ok and what
isn't. Or what one user has installed on his/her machine compared to any
other user. Or which of any number of files using the same filename are
valid and which aren't. The firewall developers are faced with the same
problem as MS. There is no default setting that is perfect for everyone and
the tighter you make something the more problems you will generate
particularly when you are dealing with people who don't understand what is
happening under the covers. If you want to use any firewall effectively you
have to know what each option truly does, how different options relate to
each other, what ports particular applications normally work over, and what
threats are currently being widely exploited. If someone is not willing to
take the time to learn about these types of things then all the money in the
world won't buy them good security. A firewall is not something you plug in,
set up, and forget about.


You do realize that hardware devices run on firmware and firmware is code
also don't you? There are many reasons to opt for a hardware device for
certain situations, but this is not one of them.
 
Points taken and I am not going to continue.

Fool with software based easy to mess with cheap products that ask you
each time the net is access if you must.

The real problem is and are those who write the junk that we have to
deal with and only the big guys profit from it. Think about it, no
virus, worms or whatever, and think of the time and aggravation...

MS has their hands full and for once, I appreciate their plight.

Lots of difference between writing machine level code than what is
commonly referred to as 'software'. We are at a pretty basic level
here.

Sure, 'mailwasher' and the like probably do something....until MS
makes a reactionary change...then the process cycle restarts all over
again...


...Out.

FWIW
Joe
 
Post this to someone who is going to listen. I have been programming for
many years and you need not explain to me about any programming code O/S
wise or anything else wise.
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Apparently you listened!
I wasn't explaining to you just telling the poster(s) what is and are
unbiased facts. Deal with it.
The router can be beaten too on the inbound and outbound connections. Why,
because it's just another program that's running.
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Anything can be beaten -- it is the level of committment that is the
point....
If the user doesn't know what he or she is doing to begin with to use a
product, then it's not the product's fault or the programmer(s) who wrote
the programs for the product fault either.

Speaking from a programmer's view point, the programmer cannot account for a
user's ignorance in using a product.
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Programmers/Designers are supposed to make things easy for the
uninformed to use---we all can turn on light switches but a lot of us
don't know and don't care to know what happens. It just needs to work
and be safe and that is exactly the mentality us in IT need to
understand. It is the IT people that wrote and are needed to maintain
Goliath sized operating systems so that a secretary can produce a
letter! Hell, WP5.0 for DOS did a nice letter in only 640 or a little
more memory and a minuscule hard drive. Now it takes a 20 or 40 GB
HDD, 256 MB RAM and a monstrous OS just to get to the privilege of
double clicking on a Word icon.....we sure do a good job--of job
security.

A for a "user's ignorance in using a product"--that is a pretty lousy
thing to say to people who fork out a lot of $$$ for a computer and to
be told they have to understand how the innards of it work just so
they can use it. I am no longer interested in the connecting rod
bearing clearance in my car motor, I just want it to start, steer and
stop--and that is all I want to know about it.

'nuff said.
Joe
 
Apparently you listened!
I wasn't explaining to you just telling the poster(s) what is and are
unbiased facts. Deal with it.


Anything can be beaten -- it is the level of committment that is the
point....

Programmers/Designers are supposed to make things easy for the
uninformed to use---we all can turn on light switches but a lot of us
don't know and don't care to know what happens. It just needs to work
and be safe and that is exactly the mentality us in IT need to
understand. It is the IT people that wrote and are needed to maintain
Goliath sized operating systems so that a secretary can produce a
letter! Hell, WP5.0 for DOS did a nice letter in only 640 or a little
more memory and a minuscule hard drive. Now it takes a 20 or 40 GB
HDD, 256 MB RAM and a monstrous OS just to get to the privilege of
double clicking on a Word icon.....we sure do a good job--of job
security.

A for a "user's ignorance in using a product"--that is a pretty lousy
thing to say to people who fork out a lot of $$$ for a computer and to
be told they have to understand how the innards of it work just so
they can use it. I am no longer interested in the connecting rod
bearing clearance in my car motor, I just want it to start, steer and
stop--and that is all I want to know about it.

'nuff said.
Joe
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Listen man, it's not the job of the programmer to write a user manual.
That's the job of a Technical Writer. Its the job of a Technical or
business Analyst to provide specifications for programs needed and the
application in general.

Listen man, it's the job of a bata tester along with Quality Assurance
personnel to ensure that a product is viable and user friendly and
provide specification of changes and or improvements to the product to
make a product viable for use to the user or consumer.

Listen man, the programmer's job is to write a program and or application
based on specifications given and work with a Technical Writer, Bata
Tester, QA, BA or TA to make it happen and get the product out to the
user or consumer.

Listen man, it's the programmer's job to ensure that things work
technically based pn specifications given. The programmer has no more
control over it then *you* do in making a product user friendly.

Listen man, get out of my face with your crap.

Duane
 
Yessir, Mr IBM.

"These little computers will be OK for games, but it takes a mainframe
to do real work"!
In your face
..
Out.
 
Listen man, it's not the job of the programmer to write a user manual.
That's the job of a Technical Writer. Its the job of a Technical or
business Analyst to provide specifications for programs needed and the
application in general.

Listen man, it's the job of a bata tester along with Quality Assurance
personnel to ensure that a product is viable and user friendly and
provide specification of changes and or improvements to the product to
make a product viable for use to the user or consumer.

Listen man, the programmer's job is to write a program and or application
based on specifications given and work with a Technical Writer, Bata
Tester, QA, BA or TA to make it happen and get the product out to the
user or consumer.

Listen man, it's the programmer's job to ensure that things work
technically based pn specifications given. The programmer has no more
control over it then *you* do in making a product user friendly.

Listen man, get out of my face with your crap.

Duane
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Oh, by the way, how many of you programmers does it take to screw in a
light bulb? That's right, they screw in!

With your layers and layers of analysts, I figured I would tell you to
save you the time and money you won't have to pass on to your
customers for your product.
 
Yessir, Mr IBM.

"These little computers will be OK for games, but it takes a mainframe
to do real work"!
In your face
.
Out.
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You clown I started programming in 1971 using PDP 8 and 11 Assembler
Language when Apple was in a wooden box. I wrote and rewrote O/S(s) on
those platforms.

I moved to the IBM mainframes using 360/370 Assembler Machine Language
and COBOL.

I moved to the Client Server platform in the early 90(s) and I have been
developing programs in C, C++ VB, ASP, VB.NET, etc, etc.

So clown, I been doing just a little more than Mr. IBM.

In the real world not your little I don't know what world, that's how
things work, if a viable product is to be released to the user or
consumer And that's how I have been around for so long doing the right
things and not the wrong things -- you jackass.

That along with staying on the leading edge technically wise -- you
jackass.

I can go any where in the world and drop my credentials and get a job in
the computer industry, with not too much of a problem. Can you do the
same?

You BS Troll

Duane
 
Me too, but this is 2003
.......and it is Mr Jackass to you, Donkey!(that is the same as a
jackass, just in case)
I believe it was called BAL with the 'B' being for Basic......you
know, a 12 and a 1 punch was an 'A'--but you would know that...and a
'10' and a '2' was an 'S' and, if you had two of them it would spell
'ASS' and you probably know that too.....
Try selling your own product not have marketing do it for you and the
other overpriced jerks. It's fun out here with the customers....ya
know, if they don't like a product they won't buy it! Quite the
concept....

'Nite now....as I goose step off to bed..


.......
 
BTW, you gaaasbaaaag, I started in 1964......and I think these kids
today are on to something, by golly!

flap your credentials someplace else....in this world, it is customer
satisfaction that counts, not little piles of letters.....

let's see, a PDP11, wasn't it very warm near them?
and, in assembler, when you wanted to move an area to tape, wasn't it
M%U1 and then you put a little '2' in to print? Sure was fun.....

Those big punched cards......did they have round or rectangular
holes....interesting....'holes', oh yeah, you know about
those--probably another pile of letters or something else will be
coming out now. Well, jus tlike the little holes, you need something
to touch you so a little light can go on and you can be seen for what
you are....

....off to write some code!

-careful you don't trip over the raised floor---the layers of people
in accounting won't like the looks of that...
 
BTW, you gaaasbaaaag, I started in 1964......and I think these kids
today are on to something, by golly!

flap your credentials someplace else....in this world, it is customer
satisfaction that counts, not little piles of letters.....

let's see, a PDP11, wasn't it very warm near them?
and, in assembler, when you wanted to move an area to tape, wasn't it
M%U1 and then you put a little '2' in to print? Sure was fun.....

Those big punched cards......did they have round or rectangular
holes....interesting....'holes', oh yeah, you know about
those--probably another pile of letters or something else will be
coming out now. Well, jus tlike the little holes, you need something
to touch you so a little light can go on and you can be seen for what
you are....

...off to write some code!

-careful you don't trip over the raised floor---the layers of people
in accounting won't like the looks of that...
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Mr. Route 9 in the West wing in room 9 at the Number 9 Old Troll(s)
Retirement Home, it's after 9:00 pm. Can you have someone give you a
Number 9 sleeping pill and put you out for the night?

Sorry Old Troll Route 9 I don't want to put a 100 day killfile on you for
trolling me, but I will! :)

Duane :)
 
Aye-Aye
Click 'em and weep.
'Troll'?
You are on to something big!
Maybe it'll sell.....

Let's see if we can get it into binary, or even better,
hexadecimal--or Double Word!!!!

After all, the more complicated it can be the better it must be...

What's the matter, 'run out of letters to put after your name? Poor
little resume` will suffer a bit....

Oh well.

What's this :) all about? Certainly, you jest...
 
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