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Bill
Buh,bye.
Bill
B
Bill
Back already? That was a short trip! Enjoy the ride?
Bill
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Ed
Not enough software on MAC for my tastes.
Enjoy!
J
John Maynard Keynes
I for one am not convinced. There have been many articles that
demonstrate how the benchmark results obtained by Apple are highly suspect.
This is no doubt a decent fast architecture, but to say it's faster than
anything put out by Intel and AMD is simply incorrect according to the most
recent information. Further, it's not even the first 64-bit PC as claimed in
the advertisements.
Apple is very good with marketing however, I will grant them that.
John
demonstrate how the benchmark results obtained by Apple are highly suspect.
This is no doubt a decent fast architecture, but to say it's faster than
anything put out by Intel and AMD is simply incorrect according to the most
recent information. Further, it's not even the first 64-bit PC as claimed in
the advertisements.
Apple is very good with marketing however, I will grant them that.
John
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Ed
If they were very good their market share wouldn't be so pathetic. ;p
J
John Maynard Keynes
I think Apple products tend to be of a price point that most people
don't feel to comfortable with, hence the low sales. Price is at least part
of their problem. You're definitely paying for the name. Too bad the name
doesn't stand for honesty.
John
don't feel to comfortable with, hence the low sales. Price is at least part
of their problem. You're definitely paying for the name. Too bad the name
doesn't stand for honesty.
John
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Roberto Migliorati
And what would have been the first 64 bit PC if this is not the one?? They
are not talking about processor here but 'Persona Computer'.
R.
are not talking about processor here but 'Persona Computer'.
R.
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Joshua P. Hill
Heh yes
The latest I hear is that they built a custom MB /without audio/ for
their 2 GHz Power PC vs. P4 shootout.
Josh
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rstlne
They all Fear something they dont understand 
.. I have only ever used a
mac to print some pictures off (sucks when your working in the printshop at
like 11:30pm and the seperations dont work cause the origitnal prints were
done wrong) err back to the point..
They just fear it
It's probably spooky as hell to them too that a MAC system has been able to
read fat32, and fat16....
as for the software, yea your right.. most games release for mac's these
days.. and there are just as many applications as any ibm can have, Most
people dont realise that a mac has been one of the better systems for using
on the net too, It's so unrestricted (compared to windows) for the basic
user.. or it was back in the day (from what I remember reading back in the
day)
now
one other thing
Price up a Dual Opteron server from a good company
2 x 240 = 520
msi mobo = 450
not having Intel Inside = Priceless
.. I have only ever used amac to print some pictures off (sucks when your working in the printshop at
like 11:30pm and the seperations dont work cause the origitnal prints were
done wrong) err back to the point..
They just fear it
It's probably spooky as hell to them too that a MAC system has been able to
read fat32, and fat16....
as for the software, yea your right.. most games release for mac's these
days.. and there are just as many applications as any ibm can have, Most
people dont realise that a mac has been one of the better systems for using
on the net too, It's so unrestricted (compared to windows) for the basic
user.. or it was back in the day (from what I remember reading back in the
day)
now
one other thing
Price up a Dual Opteron server from a good company
2 x 240 = 520
msi mobo = 450
not having Intel Inside = Priceless
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Ed
Yeah ok, ;p
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Raven
Jeffrey Creem said:
I'm sorry, but unless you are going to be running some sort of server there
is far more software available for Windows. It's been the most used
operating system for the last 10 years. 90% of the world is using
Windows... the vast majority of consumer software is written for Windows.
Yes, but when you use a Macintosh you are limiting your choices. Instead of
having maybe 20 different choices in software in Windows, you have maybe 2
on the Mac, or in some cases even 1. The Mac is very encapsulated, it is
intended to be a black box that sits there, with the hardware that Apple
wants it to run (doesn't upgrade like a PC) and the software that Apple
wants it to run (limited choices.) When you get a PC, 1 year later you
might want to swap in a faster processor for $100. On a Mac? Forget it!
You have to wait 3 years for their next product or buy a complete new system
for $3000
The dual 2Ghz G5, the one they advertise as fastest PC on the planet, is
$3000 base. My PC, a 2.4ghz P4C overclocked to 3.1ghz, cost under $750.
And in tests done by Dell with the P4 3.0ghz with the same benchmark that
Apple uses to make its claim at being the fastest PC on the planet, Dell
scored better! Why? Because Apple turned OFF hyper-threading, PAT, and
basically everything else that makes a P4C what it is!
M
Mitch_A
How about just port OSX to run PC hardware? Id be happy to give em a
sawbuck for the OS, scrap the rest of the proprietary crap.
Mitch
sawbuck for the OS, scrap the rest of the proprietary crap.
Mitch
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Mitch_A
Buying an Apple is nothing more than a political statement for people with
more money than sense
more money than sense
T
tk
Jeffrey Creem said:
That's right, get real! Like anyone who can build their own pc is gonna
switch
to Mac?? Kinda takes the fun out of it with their monopoly on hardware.
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nova4
$14,000 for a computer with less than 2 percent (and falling)
marketshare, a processor with a doubtful future, and an OS that's
basically a ten-year-old flavor of Unix (the ironically named Carnegie
Mellon Mach) with a new GUI grafted onto it. Not to mention the
commodity hardware that's been hobbled to interface only with Macs and
sold at three or four times the prices of the originals. Did I forget
to mention the classy Apple Fisher-Price design motif? My little
sister will love it! Sweet! It would be cheap at twice the price!
marketshare, a processor with a doubtful future, and an OS that's
basically a ten-year-old flavor of Unix (the ironically named Carnegie
Mellon Mach) with a new GUI grafted onto it. Not to mention the
commodity hardware that's been hobbled to interface only with Macs and
sold at three or four times the prices of the originals. Did I forget
to mention the classy Apple Fisher-Price design motif? My little
sister will love it! Sweet! It would be cheap at twice the price!
J
Justin Tyme
Nothing's wrong with Unix but why do you want to run an ancient
version of it that's been dumbed down for the discriminating Mac user?
What's wrong with SuSE or Mandrake or Solaris? Since Apple did not
publish any benchmarks against the Opteron, it's probably safe to
assume that there's a reason, namely, the Opteron will wipe the floor
with the G5 and for a much lower price. Apple long ago became nothing
but a retailer of fashion accessories for computer illiterates but its
aging and clueless base these days looks pretty much like Steve Jobs
himself: a flabby, aging would-be hipster in too-tight jeans and a
paunchy black turtleneck who generally has the demeanor of someone
coming off of or going into (depending on the subject) a three-day
crack binge. And of course you can always run Windows 2000/XP/2003, a
truly modern operating system that isn't carrying thirty-plus years of
baggage, designed from the ground up by the best OS development team
of all time, Dave Cutler and the team responsible for most of DEC's
OSes, one of which (VMS) was often called "Unix done right."
version of it that's been dumbed down for the discriminating Mac user?
What's wrong with SuSE or Mandrake or Solaris? Since Apple did not
publish any benchmarks against the Opteron, it's probably safe to
assume that there's a reason, namely, the Opteron will wipe the floor
with the G5 and for a much lower price. Apple long ago became nothing
but a retailer of fashion accessories for computer illiterates but its
aging and clueless base these days looks pretty much like Steve Jobs
himself: a flabby, aging would-be hipster in too-tight jeans and a
paunchy black turtleneck who generally has the demeanor of someone
coming off of or going into (depending on the subject) a three-day
crack binge. And of course you can always run Windows 2000/XP/2003, a
truly modern operating system that isn't carrying thirty-plus years of
baggage, designed from the ground up by the best OS development team
of all time, Dave Cutler and the team responsible for most of DEC's
OSes, one of which (VMS) was often called "Unix done right."
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Nobody_of_Consequence
Don't bother. They were already caught cheating in their
published benchmark testing. As usual for Apple, twice the
price half the performance.
published benchmark testing. As usual for Apple, twice the
price half the performance.
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rstlne
I'm sorry, but unless you are going to be running some sort of server
there
3.11 isnt supported anymore (nice to see someone quote how long it's been
used)
The upgrades would only be like that on "Embedded" systems, p4, via c3,
duron, athlon all come in embedded systems also (and yes I see users saying
how can I upgrade my processor).. So the cheap mac's cant have a processor
upgrade.. neither can 90% of dells "small" systems..
The software is a lame issue to be honest... You dont see it because you
dont buy things in that isle of the store, that isle of the store isnt the
largest because there arent as many people willing to buy it.. and maybee
there are more programs for "Windows" because not one is verry damn good ..
I dont think dells should ever be quoted as useful, if you are a DELL owner
then that's nearly the same as being a MAC owner
there
3.11 isnt supported anymore (nice to see someone quote how long it's been
used)
The upgrades would only be like that on "Embedded" systems, p4, via c3,
duron, athlon all come in embedded systems also (and yes I see users saying
how can I upgrade my processor).. So the cheap mac's cant have a processor
upgrade.. neither can 90% of dells "small" systems..
The software is a lame issue to be honest... You dont see it because you
dont buy things in that isle of the store, that isle of the store isnt the
largest because there arent as many people willing to buy it.. and maybee
there are more programs for "Windows" because not one is verry damn good ..
I dont think dells should ever be quoted as useful, if you are a DELL owner
then that's nearly the same as being a MAC owner
J
Justin Tyme
Thanks for making my point about computer illiterates; if you only had
a third child in the media business, the trinity would be complete.
Apple's ONLY fatal mistake? Apple's made a phonebook of mistakes, as
their marketshare well demonstrates: In the last two quarters, Apple's
marketshare has dropped from 2.3 to 1.9 percent, which is pretty much
the equivalent of falling like a rock. Selling $14,000 (or even
$2,000) computers is probably not the ticket out of this Hero to Zero
story.
a third child in the media business, the trinity would be complete.
Apple's ONLY fatal mistake? Apple's made a phonebook of mistakes, as
their marketshare well demonstrates: In the last two quarters, Apple's
marketshare has dropped from 2.3 to 1.9 percent, which is pretty much
the equivalent of falling like a rock. Selling $14,000 (or even
$2,000) computers is probably not the ticket out of this Hero to Zero
story.