Going to Create a Bootable CD

[Mark S.]

Hello All,

Recently I have come across 3 different rescue type of bootable CDs. One
of these was mentioned yesterday on this NG. For various reasons I am
not very fond of any of these and have been considering making my own
with nothing but freeware on it. A couple of years ago I created a
bootable CD to partition/backup/restore and install OSs but this CD due
to copyrights is not redistributable. This newer CD will be intended for
the DOS/Windows user to partition, backup, restore, burn, system check,
virus check and possibly other thing s which you people in
alt.comp.freeware (also Pricelessware) recommend. I am not a programmer,
but I do know how to use DOS and work with batch files.

The OS which I will probably be using is "FreeDOS." According to
http://www.freedos.org/freedos/about/
"FreeDOS aims to be a complete, free, 100% MS-DOS compatible operating
system... While there are many free operating systems out there, no other
free DOS-compatible operating system exists." FreeDOS has been in
developement for 10 years.

FreeDOS will be the ONLY operating system on this CD.

I of coursel can and will get an idea of what programs to include on this
CD by looking at what is on similar CDs, but I would also like to know
the programs which you Guys and Gals LIKE and DISLIKE and what you think,
should and should not be included on this CD.

Comments welcome, Please.

Mark S.

 

[Roger Johansson]

I of coursel can and will get an idea of what programs to include on this
CD by looking at what is on similar CDs, but I would also like to know
the programs which you Guys and Gals LIKE and DISLIKE and what you think,
should and should not be included on this CD.

A good file manager is the most important program to have access to.
There are many DOS file managers, the best I know is "Dos Navigator".

Look at these links for both Dos Navigator, and a good list of other DOS
file managers, plus the history of DOS file managers, including the
story about how the first Norton Commander was written.
http://www.ritlabs.com/dn/
http://www.softpanorama.org/OFM/Paradigm/Ofm_03.shtml

I am not definitely sure about the license of Dos Navigator, if it
allows free re-distribution, but it is open source freeware, so I think
it can be used on such a boot-CD.

You could ask the people at ritlabs.com if it is allowed.

 

[MightyKitten]

Hello All,

Comments welcome, Please.

Mark S.

I'm not sure about distrubution richts of all these suggestions

1) A Recent virus scanner is always welcome (thinking of F-prod or so)

2) An ntfs reader (I'd prefer a reader/writer, but such is not yet aviable
for dos)

3) if you're plannign to make it network bootable (TPC/IP stack) you might
want to take a look at a terminal emulator, like
http://www.shamrock.de/dostools.htm#unicom

4) Also take a look at the multi-tasking utility on that page. might come in
handy

3) since a cd is huge, and this program not: VisiCalc spreadsheet:
http://www.bricklin.com/history/vcexecutable.htm
27 kb and still running on windows XP after all that time ;-)

5) a dos / Databasa application (about 5 meg, at most... there are some
database clones

Also some (maybe) usefull sites:
http://www.sylpher.com/dosuser/dosutils.htm
http://home.att.net/~short.stop/freesoft/0z2idx.htm
http://home.att.net/~short.stop/freesoft/communic.htm#zipcom (especialy)

MightyKitten

 

[Rob]

Hello All,

Recently I have come across 3 different rescue type of bootable CDs.
One of these was mentioned yesterday on this NG. For various reasons
I am not very fond of any of these and have been considering making
my own with nothing but freeware on it. A couple of years ago I
created a bootable CD to partition/backup/restore and install OSs but
this CD due to copyrights is not redistributable. This newer CD will
be intended for the DOS/Windows user to partition, backup, restore,
burn, system check, virus check and possibly other thing s which you
people in alt.comp.freeware (also Pricelessware) recommend. I am not
a programmer, but I do know how to use DOS and work with batch files.

The OS which I will probably be using is "FreeDOS." According to
http://www.freedos.org/freedos/about/
"FreeDOS aims to be a complete, free, 100% MS-DOS compatible operating
system... While there are many free operating systems out there, no
other free DOS-compatible operating system exists." FreeDOS has been
in developement for 10 years.

FreeDOS will be the ONLY operating system on this CD.

I of coursel can and will get an idea of what programs to include on
this CD by looking at what is on similar CDs, but I would also like
to know the programs which you Guys and Gals LIKE and DISLIKE and
what you think, should and should not be included on this CD.

Comments welcome, Please.

Mark S.

There is already a pretty good one out there called Ultimate Boot CD. See
http://www.ultimatebootcd.com/

Rob

 

[Terry Orchard]

There is already a pretty good one out there called Ultimate Boot CD. See
http://www.ultimatebootcd.com/

Ultimate boot cd is not really the same. It contains copies of lots of
boot floppies, and you boot from a "virtual" floppy drive. To switch
applications, you reboot and choose another application.

I think Mark (the OP) is thinking of a bootable CDROM that would put
you in FreeDos, with the CD-ROM driver loaded. So you could run
various applications, just like you can when booting from floppy.

I do agree that the list of apps at UltimateBootCD is a good list of
things to consider including.

Mark, one suggestion I have is to see if you can find a CD-ROM driver
for FreeDos that can deal with multi-session CDs. I have used
SystemRescueCD, which is a bootable linux CD, but it also has FreeDos
as another boot option. It works well, but from FreeDos you can only
see the first session on the CD (fron linux you can see all the
sessions). If you could see all the sessions on the CD, then your
users could add programs to the CD themselves without rebuilding the
iso image.

As for programs to put on it, here are some thoughts off-the-cuff.

SavePart
Ranish Partition Manager
Virus checking and repair
Hardware diagnoistics
Dos zip and unzip (it may be hard to find a dos-based one that will
deal with long filenames and newer compression algorithms. See the
notes at UltimateBootCD for more info.)
File manager

And now for a discouraging word (sorry)...a couple of years ago, I
would have been interested in this. But not any longer. The bootable
linux recovery CD's are a better solution, IMO. They provide good
recovery tools, and have built-in networking, internet access, etc.
SystemRecoveryCD boots without problems on all the hardware I've tried
it on. It includes a partition manager, read/write access to disk
partitions *including* ntfs, partition backup and restore, erasing of
sensitive data, a GUI file manager, and a graphical web browser. And
these tools are only going to get better.

A FreeDOS based bootable CD would be a step backwards for me, and I
suspect many others. FreeDos can't write to ntfs partitions (with
freeware), and it doesn't support networking out-of-the-box. Both of
those are show-stoppers for me. It's just my $.02, but I doubt how
much interest you will get in this.

Terry

 

[Mark S.]

Roger Johansson wrote to alt.comp.freeware on Thu, 25 Mar 2004 19:09:01 +
0100, the following ...

A good file manager is the most important program to have access to.
There are many DOS file managers, the best I know is "Dos Navigator".

Look at these links for both Dos Navigator, and a good list of other DOS
file managers, plus the history of DOS file managers, including the
story about how the first Norton Commander was written.
http://www.ritlabs.com/dn/
http://www.softpanorama.org/OFM/Paradigm/Ofm_03.shtml

I am not definitely sure about the license of Dos Navigator, if it
allows free re-distribution, but it is open source freeware, so I think
it can be used on such a boot-CD.

You could ask the people at ritlabs.com if it is allowed.

Thankyou Roger,

Before I send off copies to 'freinds' I will have to check the licenses.
A file manager is a must have, now I know the name of one. It came on
the Ultimate Boot CD (see next email about this)

Mark S.

 

[Mark S.]

MightyKitten wrote to alt.comp.freeware on Thu, 25 Mar 2004 20:50:23 +
0100, the following ...

I'm not sure about distrubution richts of all these suggestions

1) A Recent virus scanner is always welcome (thinking of F-prod or so)

2) An ntfs reader (I'd prefer a reader/writer, but such is not yet aviable
for dos)

3) if you're plannign to make it network bootable (TPC/IP stack) you might
want to take a look at a terminal emulator, like
http://www.shamrock.de/dostools.htm#unicom

4) Also take a look at the multi-tasking utility on that page. might come in
handy

3) since a cd is huge, and this program not: VisiCalc spreadsheet:
http://www.bricklin.com/history/vcexecutable.htm
27 kb and still running on windows XP after all that time ;-)

5) a dos / Databasa application (about 5 meg, at most... there are some
database clones

Also some (maybe) usefull sites:
http://www.sylpher.com/dosuser/dosutils.htm
http://home.att.net/~short.stop/freesoft/0z2idx.htm
http://home.att.net/~short.stop/freesoft/communic.htm#zipcom (especialy)

MightyKitten

Lots of interest ideas you have MightyKitten, some of which I hadn't even
thought of. The multitasking... Well, GREAT idea. One example that
comes to my mind is quickly and easily switch between the application and
the help/readme file that foes with it. Having the CD bootable from a
network is probably beyond my capabilities (right now anyway).

Thankyou,

Mark S.

 

[Mark S.]

Rob wrote to alt.comp.freeware on Thu, 25 Mar 2004 15:22:10 -0500, the
following ...

There is already a pretty good one out there called Ultimate Boot CD. See
http://www.ultimatebootcd.com/

Rob

Hello Rob.

I saw it yesterday and tried it out...
Because backups are very important to me, the very first program I chose
after the computer booted from the CD was "HDClone V2.0" Several lines
of text scolled by and then up came the following lines of text ...

Starting Sphere SP ... DISK ERROR -> system halted

Please reboot ...


I unzipped the archieve again and burnt another CD and got identical
results. I have tried a total of 4 times running this program from
Ultimate Boot CD and I get the same error message each time. These
results are what prompted me to make the decision to create a freeware
bootable CD, since I had been thinking about doing it a couple of months
anyway. There are many good programs on the Ultimate Boot CD and I am
sure that I will be including some of these same programs.

Mark S.

 

[Roger Johansson]

Before I send off copies to 'freinds' I will have to check the licenses.
A file manager is a must have, now I know the name of one. It came on
the Ultimate Boot CD (see next email about this)

I have just discovered that Dos Navigator 1.51 is not the end of the
story.
There is a group who are developing DN further, the project can be seen
here:

http://dn.traktir.ru/

Download links for the new binaries, dpmi or realmode versions.

By the way, the license for this developed DN makes it clear that you
can use it on a non-commercial CD.

" Dos Navigator Open Source
Based on Dos Navigator (C) 1991-99 RIT Research Labs

This product is free for commercial and non-commercial use as long as
the following conditions are aheared to.

Copyright remains RIT Research Labs, and as such any Copyright notices
in the code are not to be removed. If this package is used in a
product, RIT Research Labs should be given attribution as the RIT
Research
Labs of the parts of the library used. This can be in the form of a
textual message at program startup or in documentation (online or
textual) provided with the package.

Redistribution and use in source and binary forms, with or without
modification, are permitted provided that the following conditions are
met:"

Then follows conditions which are easy to meet for a non-commercial CD.

(I saw that DN was used on the ultimate boot CD too, probably version
1.51, so I think it has a similar license.)
The developed open source version is probably better anyway, so you can
use that.

 

[Bjorn Simonsen]

Roger Johansson wrote in

I have just discovered that Dos Navigator 1.51 is not the end of the
story.
There is a group who are developing DN further, the project can be seen
here:

http://dn.traktir.ru/

Yes, and original Dos Navigator (latest 1.51) have no LFN support. The
deriviates from the post-RIT developments do (in dos box under Win),
NDN (Necromancer's DOS Navigator) and DN-opensource (which you
mentioned now). See following page for info about these and
other alternatives (like CN, Connect):
<http://home.att.net/~short.stop/freesoft/fileman1.htm#fmwin9x>

All the best,
Bjorn Simonsen

 

[Mark S.]

Terry Orchard wrote to alt.comp.freeware on Thu, 25 Mar 2004 22:07:44
GMT, the following ...

I think Mark (the OP) is thinking of a bootable CDROM that would put
you in FreeDos, with the CD-ROM driver loaded. So you could run
various applications, just like you can when booting from floppy.

Correct. When a task is finished go back to the dos prompt or a menu.
As one example: Item number three of a menu might start up Partimage with
the options to save your C drive as an image to your D drive with today's
date and time as the file name. More convient than having to type
everything in each time. But of course you still would be able to for a
unique situation.

SNIP
Mark, one suggestion I have is to see if you can find a CD-ROM driver
for FreeDos that can deal with multi-session CDs. I have used
SystemRescueCD, which is a bootable linux CD, but it also has FreeDos
as another boot option. It works well, but from FreeDos you can only
see the first session on the CD (fron linux you can see all the
sessions). If you could see all the sessions on the CD, then your
users could add programs to the CD themselves without rebuilding the
iso image. Excellent idea

As for programs to put on it, here are some thoughts off-the-cuff.

SavePart
Ranish Partition Manager
Virus checking and repair
Hardware diagnoistics
Dos zip and unzip (it may be hard to find a dos-based one that will
deal with long filenames and newer compression algorithms. See the
notes at UltimateBootCD for more info.)
File manager

And now for a discouraging word (sorry)...a couple of years ago, I
would have been interested in this. But not any longer. The bootable
linux recovery CD's are a better solution, IMO. They provide good
recovery tools, and have built-in networking, internet access, etc.
SystemRecoveryCD boots without problems on all the hardware I've tried
it on. It includes a partition manager, read/write access to disk
partitions *including* ntfs, partition backup and restore, erasing of
sensitive data, a GUI file manager, and a graphical web browser. And
these tools are only going to get better.

These are not discouraging words at all. You brought up some good points
here. There is at least one freeware graphical web browser available for
DOS. I can't envision ever having a use for it though. Dos does not
have a GUI file manager that I could find. But theres plenty of them for
windows.

A FreeDOS based bootable CD would be a step backwards for me, and I
suspect many others. FreeDos can't write to ntfs partitions (with
freeware),

NTFS driver from http://www.cgsecurity.org/ claims:"You can access in
read/write mode to your NTFS partition files from MSDOS and you can
change NT administrator password )"

and it doesn't support networking out-of-the-box.
Both of
those are show-stoppers for me. It's just my $.02, but I doubt how
much interest you will get in this.

Terry

As I stated in my first post, "This newer CD will be intended for
the DOS/Windows user to partition, backup, restore, burn, system check,
virus check and possibly other things..."
This Cd is not going to be designed to be a replacement for one's normal
OS. I hope that people will NOT want to browse internet using this CD.
I would much rather see them using there C drive for that.

Thankyou Terry for you suggestions. Because of you I know much better
now how to deal with NTFS.

Mark S.

 

[Mark S.]

Roger Johansson wrote to alt.comp.freeware on Fri, 26 Mar 2004 01:09:02 +
0100, the following ...

I have just discovered that Dos Navigator 1.51 is not the end of the
story.
There is a group who are developing DN further, the project can be seen
here:

http://dn.traktir.ru/

Download links for the new binaries, dpmi or realmode versions.

By the way, the license for this developed DN makes it clear that you
can use it on a non-commercial CD.
SNIP

Then follows conditions which are easy to meet for a non-commercial CD.

(I saw that DN was used on the ultimate boot CD too, probably version
1.51, so I think it has a similar license.)
The developed open source version is probably better anyway, so you can
use that.

Thankyou Roger,

A file manager for DOS that works with a mouse!!! And I can include it
on a free CD without asking. As they say at the lake, "It's a keeper."

Mark S

 

[Mark S.]

Bjorn Simonsen wrote to alt.comp.freeware on Fri, 26 Mar 2004 02:02:14 +
0100, the following ...

Roger Johansson wrote in


Yes, and original Dos Navigator (latest 1.51) have no LFN support. The
deriviates from the post-RIT developments do (in dos box under Win),
NDN (Necromancer's DOS Navigator) and DN-opensource (which you
mentioned now). See following page for info about these and
other alternatives (like CN, Connect):
<http://home.att.net/~short.stop/freesoft/fileman1.htm#fmwin9x>

All the best,
Bjorn Simonsen

Glad that you pointed this out. I downloaded NDN and tried it out and it
looks good. I'll check out the other alternatives tomorrow.

Thankyou

Mark S.

 

[Terry Orchard]

NTFS driver from http://www.cgsecurity.org/ claims:"You can access in
read/write mode to your NTFS partition files from MSDOS and you can
change NT administrator password )"

Interesting link, I hadn't seen this one before. Looking at the
details, it doesn't loook like it's useful. I haven't tested it, but
it seems to be based on an old version of linux-ntfs, which even today
only supports *overwriting* existing files on ntfs drives - you can't
add a file, you can't shrink or expand a file, you can just overwrite
(in place) all or part of a file. I don't see anything that allows
general read/write access to the disk.

As I stated in my first post, "This newer CD will be intended for
the DOS/Windows user to partition, backup, restore, burn, system check,
virus check and possibly other things..."
This Cd is not going to be designed to be a replacement for one's normal
OS. I hope that people will NOT want to browse internet using this CD.
I would much rather see them using there C drive for that.

Browsing is very useful when you're repairing a system and need to
find the latest driver for some hardware you've got, or look up
information on how to fix whatever problem you've got.

Terry

 

[Rob]

Rob wrote to alt.comp.freeware on Thu, 25 Mar 2004 15:22:10 -0500, the
following ...
Hello Rob.

I saw it yesterday and tried it out...
Because backups are very important to me, the very first program I
chose after the computer booted from the CD was "HDClone V2.0"
Several lines
of text scolled by and then up came the following lines of text ...

Starting Sphere SP ... DISK ERROR -> system halted

Please reboot ...


I unzipped the archieve again and burnt another CD and got identical
results. I have tried a total of 4 times running this program from
Ultimate Boot CD and I get the same error message each time. These
results are what prompted me to make the decision to create a freeware
bootable CD, since I had been thinking about doing it a couple of
months anyway. There are many good programs on the Ultimate Boot CD
and I am
sure that I will be including some of these same programs.

Mark S.

Did you check the MD5 of the ISO you downloaded. Perhaps you got a bad ISO.
But like you there are some programs on this CD that I cannot run. That
will almost always be the case if you are using some version of FREE DOS
since all the bugs have not been worked out. (Linux is more reliable!)

You may have similar problems. I don't think you can use MS-DOS. You will
need to use a free distrubution of DOS like FreeDos for your ultilities
that are based on DOS.

Rob

 

[Roger Johansson]

Did you check the MD5 of the ISO you downloaded. Perhaps you got a bad ISO.

I had problems with ultimate boot-cd too.
I tried to burn it on two 650MB disks without getting a useful copy.
I tested the md5 of my hard disk file, no problem, it was correct.
Then I tried to burn it on a 700MB disk, and it worked fine.
I made a second copy on a 700MB disk for a friend and it was fine too.

Looks like the ultimate boot-cd is sensitive to what size of disk it is
burned on.

 

[Mark S.]

Terry Orchard wrote to alt.comp.freeware on Fri, 26 Mar 2004 12:05:24
GMT, the following ...

Interesting link, I hadn't seen this one before. Looking at the
details, it doesn't loook like it's useful. I haven't tested it, but
it seems to be based on an old version of linux-ntfs, which even today
only supports *overwriting* existing files on ntfs drives - you can't
add a file, you can't shrink or expand a file, you can just overwrite
(in place) all or part of a file. I don't see anything that allows
general read/write access to the disk.

I don't know how well this program or others work but I will be checking
them all out before making the CD

Browsing is very useful when you're repairing a system and need to
find the latest driver for some hardware you've got, or look up
information on how to fix whatever problem you've got.

I guess we just have two different ways at looking at things. Hard
drives are fairly cheap these days. Two months ago I bought a 60 Gig
hard drive for $60 (no rebate required) and there are better deals than
that around. I have two hard drives in each of my PCs. If I didn't have
time or didn't want to restore a bootable image for some reason, I would
just turn on the other hard drive in BIOS and boot from it. Most PCs
will allow for two hard drives. My mom's slim line Dell desktop is an
exception to this. She had no room to in which to add a second hard
drive. She has not used a floppy in years so I replaced the floppy drive
with another hard drive which is bootable and can be turned on and off in
the BIOS also.

Later on today Terry I am going to check out the operation of the "NTFS
Driver" and will let the group know the results (good or bad) Since the
newer Windows OS use NTFS this is a VERY important consideration.

Thanyou Terry,

Mark S.

 

[Mark S.]

Rob wrote to alt.comp.freeware on Fri, 26 Mar 2004 07:45:12 -0500, the
following ...

SNIP

Did you check the MD5 of the ISO you downloaded. Perhaps you got a bad ISO.
But like you there are some programs on this CD that I cannot run. That
will almost always be the case if you are using some version of FREE DOS
since all the bugs have not been worked out. (Linux is more reliable!)

You may have similar problems. I don't think you can use MS-DOS. You will
need to use a free distrubution of DOS like FreeDos for your ultilities
that are based on DOS.

Rob

I didnot check out the MD5. What I know about MD5 is that it is a
checksup to verify that downloaded files are correct. I went under the
assumprion that if the archieve wouldn't unzip correctly if there was an
error.

But since you brought it up...
I found a program to do it and the checksum is fine

For those interested I used MD5Summer from
http://www.md5summer.org/
A handy program to have around!

To restate your comment FreeDOS is still in the Beta stage.

Thnks Rob,

Mark S.

 

[Mark S.]

The scope of this project has to change!

Necromancer's Dos Navigator (which has built in long file name support)
Requires a 32 Bit OS to run. It does not work with FreeDOS.
The earlier version to NDN which is on the ultimate boot CD which is
called "Dos Navigator" does not have long file name support. The two
addons (lfndos & doslfn) which provide LFN support for DOS are
incompatible with Dos Navigator.

To check out the NTFS Driver for Dos, I tried to use 'Ranish Partition
Manager' to create an NTFS partition. When I do that I get a message
which says "This is unsupported file system. No additional details
available." I have no means to check for a valid formatted NTFS
partition since I have no OS capable of reading one. After I created an
NTFS partition with a commercial partition manager, I used the NTFS
Driver for DOS to read the root directory, I get a message that says
"open: Function not implemented (ENOSYS)"

The number of uses for this CD is getting fewer and fewer. I have to put
NTFS and file managers aside.

What I will try to provide on this CD now is the tools to patition,
backup and restore for DOS (16 bit) and Windows 95/98. The DOS will have
DOSLFN for long file name support. DOSLFN seems to work good. There
will be one or two virus checkers maybe a hard drive integrity checker.
Maybe a boot manager.

Terry: After what I have learned the last two days, if I had an OS which
used the NTFS, I would certainly take another look at the Linux RescueCD.

Mark S.

 

[Bjorn Simonsen]

The scope of this project has to change!

Necromancer's Dos Navigator (which has built in long file name support)
Requires a 32 Bit OS to run.

As noted in my reply, the DN derivate's (NDN and DN-OPS) provides LFN
under _Windows in a dos box_. The FileManagers page I pointed you to
<http://home.att.net/~short.stop/freesoft/fileman1.htm#fmwin9x>
lists file managers known to provide LFNs - but only under Windows in
a dos box. How many of them works with a LFN emulator (links:
<http://sta.c64.org/lfnemu.html>) under plain DOS is another question
I guess. How many of them works under FreeDOS, alone or with a LFN
emulator, I guess yet another question (I am guessing most or all LFN
emulators where developed for MS-DOS, so there might be some issues
with them under FreeDos, even if Freedos aims for MS-DOS
compatibility, but I don't know!). If I where you I would ask in the
FreeDOS community (maling lists I think), or in any of the dedicated
DOS groups here on Usenet, such as <comp.os.msdos.misc>. Would also
ask if anyone there have used any of the LFN enabled File Managers
successfully with any of the LFN emulators, and under which DOS
version, so you do not have to test all possible combinations your
self. Let us know what you learn, or at least what works for you if
anything

It does not work with FreeDOS.
The earlier version to NDN which is on the ultimate boot CD which is
called "Dos Navigator" does not have long file name support. The two
addons (lfndos & doslfn) which provide LFN support for DOS are
incompatible with Dos Navigator.

Dos Navigator, the original with no LFN support , can not make use of
the API layer provided by a dos emulator like doslfn. It wouldn't know
what to do with it. In general: On the one hand the application must
know/understand the LFN API, on the other hand the OS or a LFN
emulator must provide the LFN API. In short:
APP <--> LFN API <--> OS

An alternative to FreeDos you might want to consider
is Dr-DOS (history: DR-DOS-> NovelDOS-> Opendos-> DR-DOS)
See:
"Club Dr-DOS" <http://stud3.tuwien.ac.at/~e0225895/drdos/drdos.htm>
"Unofficial DR-DOS Resources": <http://www.drdos.net/>
Search pages there for info about dedicated LFN files/driver
for DR-DOS.

URL to post with info/links for a current/ongoing
Dr-DOS alternative that claims LFN support:
<http://google.com/groups?&[email protected]>

Urls for some previous LFN related threads here in a.c.f that might
interest you (w/info and or links):

Subject: bootable DOS file browser for FAT32
Short URL: <http://makeashorterlink.com/?C5C762636>
Long URL:
<http://www.google.com/groups?hl=en&...=UTF-8&selm=5h4hb.20253%24Sg4.4149%40edtnps84>

Subject: DOS file manager that runs from a floppy?
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Terry: After what I have learned the last two days, if I had an OS which
used the NTFS, I would certainly take another look at the Linux RescueCD.

Regarding NTFS access in general - and under Linux, urls for some
previous threads here that might interest you (w/info and or links):

Subject: Bart's PE Builder Question
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<http://groups.google.com/[email protected]&lr=&hl=en>

Subject: Alternatives for Knoppix lovers
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<http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=...sxfctbwh%24.19zbunzid4eip%24.dlg%4040tude.net>

Hope I got it right, if not - I got it wrong

All the best,
Bjorn Simonsen