Going back to XP

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Raymond

Man you guys are just the best really. Build and OS and 70% of the software
won't run, crash all over the place. Funny, even your own apps don't work
correctly. I'll wait for everyone else to fix your problems as normal.
 
Raymond said:
Man you guys are just the best really. Build and OS and 70% of the
software won't run, crash all over the place. Funny, even your own apps
don't work correctly. I'll wait for everyone else to fix your problems as
normal.
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Ah, but didn't it cost billions to produce?
 
you have to get used to windows vista just like it was with windows xp only
its a much more dramatic change but it is a very nice operating system. i'm
enjoying using it. soon all programs will run on it except for some very old
ones that can run on a 64 bit computer.


-jeff
 
I can learn it. Is it differant? Sure. That's not my issue. I'm trying to
run simple business and account management software built in access 2003
DB's and they crash. I have installed all updates. Doing simple ftp
transfers works with some programs and not with others. Yeah I know I'll
have to wait for the companies to come up with fixes. I'm just a little
shocked as about 75% of everything I'm trying is not running.
 
Raymond said:
I can learn it. Is it differant? Sure. That's not my issue. I'm trying to
run simple business and account management software built in access 2003
DB's and they crash. I have installed all updates. Doing simple ftp
transfers works with some programs and not with others. Yeah I know I'll
have to wait for the companies to come up with fixes. I'm just a little
shocked as about 75% of everything I'm trying is not running.
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The thing that gets my goat is that this all happened with XP when it came
out and you would think this time Msoft released a new operating system that
they would not go down the road they have been down before when they first
released XP and the thing is everyone seems to be blaming companies for not
bringing out drivers and patches quick enough for Vista (including me) but
if we just sit back (including me) and think about why MS brings out Vista
without being able to use existing programs and drivers that ran with XP
then I think that MS has a lot to answer for rather than blaming hardware
and software manufacturers all the time when their stuff don't run with
Vista.

Sounds to me like Vista was just put out on the market because it was late
in coming, was not tested fully enough and not enough thought went into
trying to make sure that nearly everything that worked with XP will
effortlessly work with Vista.

I mean what would be the biggest problem with people buying Vista now or
getting a new PC with vista? - well I tell you what I am hearing: well if I
get Vista now I will have to go out and buy a new printer, scanner whatever
and new programs because my old ones wont work with Vista. And that to me is
all wrong that people should be worried or 'forced' into buying this stuff
because a lot of the existing XP stuff is not compatible with Vista at the
moment!
 
Not only printers and the such. My friend buys a new laptop and MDA the
other day. The device has ms mobile on it and still, the vista on the laptop
can't work with the device. I think I'm just going to reload tomorrow with
xp and wait.
 
Raymond said:
Not only printers and the such. My friend buys a new laptop and MDA the
other day. The device has ms mobile on it and still, the vista on the
laptop can't work with the device. I think I'm just going to reload
tomorrow with xp and wait.
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Yes and wait..... and wait ....and more than likely wait again. - some of
these manufacturers are not quick off the mark when it comes to releasing
driver updates and patches. The other day I bout a HP printer new off the
shelf. It had XP drivers, went to their site and it had a Vista Driver
download (good job I had Broadband because it was a hefty file - I feel
sorry for people who had bought the printer with only a 56k modem) anyway on
the HP site it said the driver was a basic Vista driver until the proper
Vista driver was released! - so sort of a make do driver not a proper full
Vista driver. So that's the score at the moment. I suppose one can be
thankful that they released a make do driver for Vista than none at all
though I suppose that the positive way to look at it.
 
And I'm shocked that 75% of programmers don't take the time to learn to use
proper programming practices to ensure that this kind of thing doesn't
happen. They often times try to write files to c:\program files or assume
their program has admistrative privileges.

The majority of issues you will encounter will involve the program assuming
it has administrative privileges. If you encounter a program that fails to
run, try to right click on the icon and seleect "Run as Administrator". If
this works, that means the programmer failed to ensure the program requests
the proper permissions and assumed that the program would have
admisistrative permissions.

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First, it looks like you don't like progress. Progress is going to break old
drivers based on old models and break programs. For example, Aero allows
your graphics card to render the user interface instead of the processor.
This required a whole need driver model (wddm). Other areas have seen
similar changes and require driver re-writes to take advantage of the new
features.

Second, try to run the upgrade advisor to see what problems you are going to
have. It should tell you if your printer manufactuer is going to support
your printer.

Progress can be confused with 'change for the sake of change'. That isn't
what this is.

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I can learn it. Is it differant? Sure. That's not my issue. I'm trying to
run simple business and account management software built in access 2003
DB's and they crash.
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Blame the morons who wrote the Database.
 
I have done that Rob. 1 of the first things I did when I installed this OS
was remove the user restrictions and pop ups. The software is lack luster at
best. There focus was on making it more secure, which is great but this OS
will never ever ever be secure. You know why? It's an APP running over an
APP that is so interconnected to other apps, it's the same garbage. There
will be holes and more hole and people are already fustrated with the lack
of control on their own PC. Now what we wait for MS to push out a 400 MB
update file that removes the warning ballons but still won't run 1/2 your
software. Heres a funny one for you, I used to work for the government full
time. The money spent on software is enormus. You think they want to be
strongearmed into buying this OS only to find out 90% of there stuff won't
work anymore. I really think MS is opening itself up for some serious legal
issues here at some point in time someone is going to crack the company open
be it the government or private sector or who knows, at the rate they are
going they will make people tired of using their PC to surf for porn and
sales will drop and the borg goes on to rule China.
 
It would be impossible for MS to write drivers for every piece of hardware
out there. They aren't the ones that designed the hardware so how are they
supposed to write full feature drivers for it.

The majority of the software out there will run on vista. It's not up to MS
to update some other companies software to make it run on a newer OS.

As far as being backwards compatible that is one of MS's strong suits. Most
other OS's are NOT backwards compatible. People who have had to upgrade to
newer versions of other operating systems have had to upgrade all of their
hardware and software. Not necessarily true with Vista...

Jeff
 
Jeffrey S. Sparks said:
It would be impossible for MS to write drivers for every piece of hardware
out there. They aren't the ones that designed the hardware so how are
they supposed to write full feature drivers for it.
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When they write the operating system they can surely make it work better
with existing XP drivers and software no?
 
Raymond spake thusly on 2/22/2007 4:42 PM:
Man you guys are just the best really. Build and OS and 70% of the
software won't run, crash all over the place. Funny, even your own apps
don't work correctly. I'll wait for everyone else to fix your problems
as normal.
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Virtually all of my apps are running and I've only seen one BSOD since I
got Vista on 3 February.


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When they write the operating system they can surely make it work better
with existing XP drivers and software no?
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Same old excuse you always hear, oh, that's a driver issue. Well I
just documented another Windows issue that isn't directly a driver
issue. In the 20 plus years that Windows has been around it STILL
hasn't learned out to flush memory and shut down a application when
you tell it to if some aplication hangs.
 
Raymond said:
Man you guys are just the best really. Build and OS and 70% of the
software won't run, crash all over the place. Funny, even your own apps
don't work correctly. I'll wait for everyone else to fix your problems
as normal.
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No guts, no glory! :)
 
Andy said:
When they write the operating system they can surely make it work better
with existing XP drivers and software no?
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Not if that means a conflict with the basic architecture of the OS.
There's a trade-off between compatibility and stability.

Gary VanderMolen
 
Gary VanderMolen said:
Not if that means a conflict with the basic architecture of the OS.
There's a trade-off between compatibility and stability.

Gary VanderMolen
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Windows XP Home and Vista Home basic - both 32bit Windows applications -
why shouldnt we expect normal XP home drivers and applications to
automatically work with Vista home basic?

Andy.
 
Andy said:
Windows XP Home and Vista Home basic - both 32bit Windows applications -
why shouldnt we expect normal XP home drivers and applications to
automatically work with Vista home basic?
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Just because they both utilize 32-bit registers doesn't mean the code is
similar. We know that Vista's kernal has been reworked extensively,
for example, with respect to how video drivers are handled.

Gary VanderMolen
 
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