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Glenn

I'm not sure what to look under in the listings of freeware for a ghost
program.

I used one by Norton to move every file from a 27G to a 20G. Something like
10G worth. It tried to move all the empty space to the 20G too and
convinced the 20 it was a 27. I had a devil of a time convincing it that it
was a 20 again. I mention this because I don't want to go through *that*
again. The 60G on this machine would blow the 20's mind.

It would be nice if we could highlight blocks of one disk and move all of
that but not anything else. Moving an OS would be another story though
because of the cab and register files. Is there one out there smart enough
to do that if told to?

I want a lot, don't I? (:-))

Glenn
 
Glenn wrote in said:
I'm not sure what to look under in the listings of freeware for a ghost
program.
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I used one by Norton to move every file from a 27G to a 20G. Something like
10G worth. It tried to move all the empty space to the 20G too and
convinced the 20 it was a 27. I had a devil of a time convincing it that it
was a 20 again. I mention this because I don't want to go through *that*
again. The 60G on this machine would blow the 20's mind.
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[...]

I could have *sworn* that Ghost had an option to move only used space.
I could be wrong, but I would have a second look at the docs. Ghost,
IME, is the cat's meow.
 
I'm not sure what to look under in the listings of freeware for a ghost
program.

I used one by Norton to move every file from a 27G to a 20G. Something like
10G worth. It tried to move all the empty space to the 20G too and
convinced the 20 it was a 27. I had a devil of a time convincing it that it
was a 20 again. I mention this because I don't want to go through *that*
again. The 60G on this machine would blow the 20's mind.

It would be nice if we could highlight blocks of one disk and move all of
that but not anything else. Moving an OS would be another story though
because of the cab and register files. Is there one out there smart enough
to do that if told to?

I want a lot, don't I? (:-))
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Are you sure you're not ghosting disks as opposed to partitions?

I regularly move data from large partitions onto smaller ones with
Ghost, and have never had this problem.
Ghost will do what it's told...so if you tell it to ghost a disk and
then write to another, that's what it will try to do, regardless of
size ( though I think there's a spanning option, though this may only
apply to partitions ).
Unless your source and target disks are identical, always ghost the
partition.


There are a couple of freeware options - xxcopy can be made to do the
job, and there's a basic command-line ghost clone out there too (
can't remember what it's called though...savepart?? )

Regards,
 
There are a couple of freeware options - xxcopy can be made to do the
job, and there's a basic command-line ghost clone out there too (
can't remember what it's called though...savepart?? )
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Yes, savepartition.zip is the file name, 369815 bytes in the latest version
I have.

I have not used it yet, but according to its documentation it can do what
norton ghost or drive image can do. It only copies the used part of the
partition, so it can copy a bigger partition onto a smaller partition,
provided that the copied partition is only partly used.
 
Are you sure you're not ghosting disks as opposed to partitions?

I regularly move data from large partitions onto smaller ones with
Ghost, and have never had this problem.
Ghost will do what it's told...so if you tell it to ghost a disk and
then write to another, that's what it will try to do, regardless of
size ( though I think there's a spanning option, though this may only
apply to partitions ).
Unless your source and target disks are identical, always ghost the
partition.


There are a couple of freeware options - xxcopy can be made to do the
job, and there's a basic command-line ghost clone out there too (
can't remember what it's called though...savepart?? )
Click to expand...

I have all my disks as one partition so that could get a little sticky. 27
doesn't go into 20 worth a darn and 60 doesn't either.

I finally got all traces of Linux off my #2 machine and I want to copy a
bunch of stuff back to my freed 'd' drive.

Come to think of it, I think I have xxcopy somewhere. Thanks. I don't
really need to copy a OS but I doubt that would.

Glenn
 
Glenn said:
I used one by Norton to move every file from a 27G to a 20G.
Something like 10G worth. It tried to move all the empty space to
the 20G too and convinced the 20 it was a 27. I had a devil of a
time convincing it that it was a 20 again. I mention this because I
don't want to go through *that* again. The 60G on this machine would
blow the 20's mind.
Click to expand...

You moved by DISK instead of PARTITION -- made this exact same mistake
myself when I first used Ghost. :)
 
I have all my disks as one partition so that could get a little sticky. 27
doesn't go into 20 worth a darn and 60 doesn't either.

Glenn
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Reminds me of the old Sophie Tucker joke, where she tells how her 60
year old boyfriend dumped her for a 20 year old girlfriend. She is
going to retaliate by getting herself a 20 year old boyfriend,
because, after all, 20 goes into 60 a hell of a lot more than 60 goes
into 20.
 
[snip]
Unless your source and target disks are identical, always ghost the
partition.
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[snip]

The target disk can be of larger size, right? Might be obvious, but I'm
going to back up a drive from an FIB mill and don't want any surprises.
TIA, Spacey
 
GRIN

Reminds me of the old Sophie Tucker joke, where she tells how her 60
year old boyfriend dumped her for a 20 year old girlfriend. She is
going to retaliate by getting herself a 20 year old boyfriend,
because, after all, 20 goes into 60 a hell of a lot more than 60 goes
into 20.
Click to expand...
 
I'm not sure what to look under in the listings of freeware for a ghost
program.
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Not much windows freeware available for XP. Does anyone know of a Linux
or BSD app that can handle winXP's evil writings into the Master Boot
Record, and the NTFS format? Spacey

<OT>
Windows $ware notes:
From what I've read in the newsgroups, there is no best drive imaging
software. True Image seems to be both easy to use and better than
PowerQuest's Drive Image in terms of reliability, but still does not do
SATA drives, unlike ghost (which works on some SATA drives). DriveImage
is capable of doing some stuff the others can't within windows, which
might make it a better choice than others in some situations. None of
these can do incremental backups as an image, like PowerQuest's V2i
Protector. True Image seems the best at working with XP, which puts
stuff in the Master Boot Record.
BootIt Ng also had probs with XP.
</OT>
 
Glenn said:
I'm not sure what to look under in the listings of freeware for a ghost
program.

I used one by Norton to move every file from a 27G to a 20G. Something like
10G worth. It tried to move all the empty space to the 20G too and
convinced the 20 it was a 27. I had a devil of a time convincing it that it
was a 20 again. I mention this because I don't want to go through *that*
again. The 60G on this machine would blow the 20's mind.
Click to expand...
[snipped for brevity]

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Dunno which version of Ghost you were using, but my Ghost 7.5 does
exactly what you want to do. Copy by partition, not disk. A small drive
partition image will be placed back on a larger drive .. and the remainder
filled out as formatted and ready for use. Other copier schemes such as
XXCOPY, are basically file copiers. They cannot match Ghost's utility
for direct burning to a CD, for compression capability, and certainly
cannot operate from DOS ... which is absolutely essential in most cases
of utter crash and you have NO access whatsoever to Windows at all.
 
I have all my disks as one partition so that could get a little sticky. 27
doesn't go into 20 worth a darn and 60 doesn't either.
Click to expand...
The difference between ghosting a disk and a partition is that the
disk image includes the lot..free space and all. The partition image
will shrink to fit.
I finally got all traces of Linux off my #2 machine and I want to copy a
bunch of stuff back to my freed 'd' drive.

Come to think of it, I think I have xxcopy somewhere. Thanks. I don't
really need to copy a OS but I doubt that would.
Click to expand...

It does. There's an article about it on the site.

Regards,
 
Chief Suspect said:
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Dunno which version of Ghost you were using, but my Ghost 7.5 does
exactly what you want to do. Copy by partition, not disk. A small drive
partition image will be placed back on a larger drive .. and the remainder
filled out as formatted and ready for use. Other copier schemes such as
XXCOPY, are basically file copiers. They cannot match Ghost's utility
for direct burning to a CD, for compression capability, and certainly
cannot operate from DOS ... which is absolutely essential in most cases
of utter crash and you have NO access whatsoever to Windows at all.
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I don't remember which version of ghost I had but I'll never use another
product of Norton again. I had some 9 months of renewal left with their
antivirus and they said it wasn't renewable anymore. I've had 2000, 2001
and was on 2002 not to mention having several older versions. They wanted
to sell me a later version even after renewing the older version 3 months
previous. May a virus bite them on the butt.

Through this ng, I use Antivir version 6, a freebee and it seems to work
fine. There is a renewal almost every day so it is up to date, obviously.

The xxcopy I just downloaded reads like it will do anything that ghost has
been described to do.

Glenn
 
[snip]
Unless your source and target disks are identical, always ghost the
partition.
Click to expand...
[snip]

The target disk can be of larger size, right? Might be obvious, but I'm
going to back up a drive from an FIB mill and don't want any surprises.
TIA, Spacey
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Yes.

Regards,
 
I don't remember which version of ghost I had but I'll never use another
product of Norton again. I had some 9 months of renewal left with their
antivirus and they said it wasn't renewable anymore. I've had 2000, 2001
and was on 2002 not to mention having several older versions. They wanted
to sell me a later version even after renewing the older version 3 months
previous. May a virus bite them on the butt.
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Are you talking about the virus definition updates?
Easy-peasy. Download as per usual, set the computer's date back a
year, install the update, reset the dat - don't even need to reboot.
Through this ng, I use Antivir version 6, a freebee and it seems to work
fine. There is a renewal almost every day so it is up to date, obviously.

The xxcopy I just downloaded reads like it will do anything that ghost has
been described to do.
Click to expand...

Except archive an image.

Regards,
 
Flaccid said:
You moved by DISK instead of PARTITION -- made this exact same mistake
myself when I first used Ghost. :)
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Ahhh yes. I see your point. But suppose partition 'a' is bigger than
'b'?? In my case disk and partition is the same in size.

Glenn
 
Steve H said:
It does. There's an article about it on the site.
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I couldn't find my older copy, if I even had one, so downloaded a new
version. Unzipped it but it only flashes a small dos frame on the screen
and is then gone. Downloaded it again and unzipped it to a different
directory and I get the same thing. Can anyone guess what I'm doing wrong?
It doesn't have to be run from dos, does it?

Glenn
 
Glenn said:
Ahhh yes. I see your point. But suppose partition 'a' is bigger
than 'b'??
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Obviously you cannot move A to B if B is smaller -- that's like trying
to backup your hard drive to a single floppy! :)
In my case disk and partition is the same in size.
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No problem then.
 
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