fresh-baked system, fans spin, no beeps, no video

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Hello,

Recently purchased an assortment of computer parts to assemble with
existing working parts from another machine into a working unit.
-Mach Speed MS945G-GLV Socket 775 Motherboard
-Intel Core 2 Duo E6550 2.33Ghz 4MB 1333FSB CPU
-Corsair TWINX 2048MB PC5400 DDR2 667MHz (2x1024)
-EVGA GeForce 8600 GT 512MB PCIe w/Dual Link DVI
-400w power supply unit

So, I take everything out and arrange it on the hardwood floor to get
started.
First, installed the CPU and fan on the mother board.
Plugged the wires from the fan into the appropriate spot on the
motherboard.
Found the system speaker and popped that on the proper pins.
Plugged the 4-pin power thingy into the appropriate spot on the
motherboard.
Plugged the larger 24-pin power thingy into the appropriate spot on
the motherboard.
Plugged power supply into the wall and shorted out the two pins to
supply power to the motherboard.

CPU fan and power supply fans spin.
Nothing beeps.
System has "on-board video" so I hook up my monitor but get no
picture.
For kicks, I install the new video card and plug in 4-pin power thingy
into that, as required.
Still no picture.

Unplug everything, then replug and try again.
Fans spin but nothing beeps, no video.

Unplugged everything, removed jumper thingy and cmos battery and made
a sandwich.
Came back, put jumper back in normal operation mode, popped in the
battery.
Plug bare minimum things back in, short out the pins to get power.

CPU fan and power supply fans spin.
Still no beeps.
Still nothing from the on-board video.

Called motherboard support number, which walked me through the entire
thing all over again.
Had me try the same process first with a stick of ram and then
without.
Also had me remove the fan and short out the two pins to gain power
while holding my finger directly above the CPU to see if it was
generating heat. I burned my finger.
He said the problem was with my CPU and that I should replace it.


Called INTEL and got an RMA. Returned CPU and received bright shiny
new one several days later.

Pulled everything back on the hardwood floor again, used a can of air
to remove any dust that may have settled on the motherboard.
Installed the CPU and fan, plugged fan into motherboard, plugged in
the 4 and 24-pin power supply, popped the system speaker back on the
pins.
Shorted out the two pins to get power and didn't get any.
Repeated several times with no success.
Took everything apart. Did the thinger with removing the jumper and
the CMOS battery again. No sandwich this time, but did make a nice
cup of tea.
Put everything back together and tried again.
This time, fans started to spin, but still no beeps or output to the
monitor.


At this point I want to say that the problem is with the motherboard
and that I should try to get a replacement. However, the pessimist in
me wonders what the hell I'll do if I get a new motherboard and it
still doesn't work.

Suggestions? Anything is appreciated, thank you!
 
Hello,

Recently purchased an assortment of computer parts to assemble with
existing working parts from another machine into a working unit.
-Mach Speed MS945G-GLV Socket 775 Motherboard
-Intel Core 2 Duo E6550 2.33Ghz 4MB 1333FSB CPU
-Corsair TWINX 2048MB PC5400 DDR2 667MHz (2x1024)
-EVGA GeForce 8600 GT 512MB PCIe w/Dual Link DVI
-400w power supply unit

So, I take everything out and arrange it on the hardwood floor to get
started.
First, installed the CPU and fan on the mother board.
Plugged the wires from the fan into the appropriate spot on the
motherboard.
Found the system speaker and popped that on the proper pins.
Plugged the 4-pin power thingy into the appropriate spot on the
motherboard.
Plugged the larger 24-pin power thingy into the appropriate spot on
the motherboard.
Plugged power supply into the wall and shorted out the two pins to
supply power to the motherboard.

CPU fan and power supply fans spin.
Nothing beeps.
System has "on-board video" so I hook up my monitor but get no
picture.
For kicks, I install the new video card and plug in 4-pin power thingy
into that, as required.
Still no picture.

Unplug everything, then replug and try again.
Fans spin but nothing beeps, no video.

Unplugged everything, removed jumper thingy and cmos battery and made
a sandwich.
Came back, put jumper back in normal operation mode, popped in the
battery.
Plug bare minimum things back in, short out the pins to get power.

CPU fan and power supply fans spin.
Still no beeps.
Still nothing from the on-board video.

Called motherboard support number, which walked me through the entire
thing all over again.
Had me try the same process first with a stick of ram and then
without.
Also had me remove the fan and short out the two pins to gain power
while holding my finger directly above the CPU to see if it was
generating heat. I burned my finger.
He said the problem was with my CPU and that I should replace it.


Called INTEL and got an RMA. Returned CPU and received bright shiny
new one several days later.

Pulled everything back on the hardwood floor again, used a can of air
to remove any dust that may have settled on the motherboard.
Installed the CPU and fan, plugged fan into motherboard, plugged in
the 4 and 24-pin power supply, popped the system speaker back on the
pins.
Shorted out the two pins to get power and didn't get any.
Repeated several times with no success.
Took everything apart. Did the thinger with removing the jumper and
the CMOS battery again. No sandwich this time, but did make a nice
cup of tea.
Put everything back together and tried again.
This time, fans started to spin, but still no beeps or output to the
monitor.


At this point I want to say that the problem is with the motherboard
and that I should try to get a replacement. However, the pessimist in
me wonders what the hell I'll do if I get a new motherboard and it
still doesn't work.

Suggestions? Anything is appreciated, thank you!
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Is this the CPU Support table for your board ? I don't see
any FSB1333 processors in this table.

http://www.machspeed.com/specs/cpusupp/MS945G.htm

I finally found a blurb in the product description:

http://www.machspeed.com/specs/matrix/MS-945G-GLV.html

"Based on the Intel 945G chipset, The Mach Speed MS945-GLV supports
533/800/1066 FSB, DDR2 533/667 up to 4GB, ..."

So FSB1333 is not mentioned there. And you said you were
using a FSB1333 processor.

Paul
 
Is this the CPU Support table for your board ? I don't see
any FSB1333 processors in this table.

http://www.machspeed.com/specs/cpusupp/MS945G.htm

I finally found a blurb in the product description:

http://www.machspeed.com/specs/matrix/MS-945G-GLV.html

"Based on the Intel 945G chipset, The Mach Speed MS945-GLV supports
533/800/1066 FSB, DDR2 533/667 up to 4GB, ..."

So FSB1333 is not mentioned there. And you said you were
using a FSB1333 processor.

Paul
Click to expand...

Thank you for the reply. I had ran this setup by one of our techie
ppl at work and he gave me the green light before purchasing, so
hadn't thought that perhaps the bits were incompatible. Will examine
motherboard options more closely and purchase the proper kind.

A bit disappointed that the motherboard tech support guy hadn't been
able to point that out for me.

One last question: how likely is it that the motherboard and CPU have
been damaged by this escapade? Obviously I'm not well-versed in this
sort of thing and would like to prepare for my next fiasco. :P
 
Thank you for the reply. I had ran this setup by one of our techie
ppl at work and he gave me the green light before purchasing, so
hadn't thought that perhaps the bits were incompatible. Will examine
motherboard options more closely and purchase the proper kind.

A bit disappointed that the motherboard tech support guy hadn't been
able to point that out for me.

One last question: how likely is it that the motherboard and CPU have
been damaged by this escapade? Obviously I'm not well-versed in this
sort of thing and would like to prepare for my next fiasco. :P
Click to expand...

While the 945G chipset supports FSB1066 officially:

http://compare.intel.com/pcc/showchart.aspx?mmID=8765&familyID=10&culture=en-US

at least one company has overclocked it to 1333. (While they list
945P/945G as the Northbridge, they don't have a VGA connector on
this motherboard, so it does not support built-in graphics. I think
that is how they can get a 945G to run that high. The graphics
part usually craps out if you try to overclock.)

http://www.asrock.com/mb/overview.asp?Model=ConRoe1333-eSATA2&s=775

So chances are, there is no damage to the chipset on the motherboard.
It could be, that the clockgen chip is not set up to deal with the BSEL
code of a FSB1333 processor properly. (You can sometimes figure that
out, by finding the part number on the clockgen chip, download a
datasheet for it, and see what default frequencies it supports.
Since motherboard pictures are never that clear, most of the time
I cannot do that with the pictures that are available.)

The clockgen could be the chip in the middle left of this picture,
and has a quartz crystal to the left of it, in a metal can.

http://images.tigerdirect.ca/itemDetails/M450-2308/M450-2308-out10-hl.jpg

What you do now, really depends on your retailer, and how deep your
own pockets are. We need something close to this, only with FSB1066.

Core 2 Duo E6550 2.33GHz/FSB1333/4M L2 $170 USD.

An E6600 is $228 and is 2.4GHz/FSB1066/4M L2. That is $58 more.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115003

An E6400 is $198 and is 2.13GHz/FSB1066/2M L2. And that stinks by comparison.
(Costs more, gives less.)

So:

1) Change motherboard to one which supports FSB1333 (probably more $$$)
2) Change processor to use FSB1066 (usually more $$$ as well)
3) If all products bought from same vendor, send the whole lot back :-)
Or ask how best they can accommodate their screwup.

4) If you are merely curious about whether the board was bad all along,
buy the cheapest Celeron D you can find for that board, and fit that.
I guess somewhere in the $50 region for that option. Check the CPU
charts, to make sure it is the right type. (A Conroe-L might be
cheaper still, but you don't know whether the motherboard has
BIOS support for Conroe-L, and a Celeron D is a safer bet as a
test device.)

If you could borrow an LGA775 processor from a friend, that would be
another way to test your motherboard.

Good luck,
Paul
 
I'm having the same issues with my freshly made system. What worked
for me before (after replacing the fans twice) was to upgrade my power
supply from a cheap-o 300 Watt to a slightly better 550. From there,
everything was pretty much fine, and ran Vista great.

But here's the part you may not want to hear: it ran for two days
before dying on me again. I replaced the motherboard, but that didn't
help. I upgraded the motherboard, but that didn't help. I'm currently
in the process of getting a new motherboard/processor (as the
processor is basically the only common factor between the builds).

So if anyone could help, that would be great.

But in the mean time, you might try checking to see if the metallic
posts coming out of your case (that you screw the motherboard into)
are causing the board to short. If there are any posts that don't line
up with motherboard holes, you should remove them, as well as any
metal that might be touching the board.
 
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