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Has anybody had the same problem? I have done a few web sites in FP 2002,
just lately I have noticed after I look at the BBC web site or the home page
of NTL (www.ntlworld.com) the framed web sites I have done muck up. The main
page index.htm works ok but any further requested pages come out of the frame.

I have noticed Framed web sites done in Pagemill don't have the same problem
so it must be a FP problem with its code

Any thoughts?
 
it is probably not the fault of having viewed those other sites. Check the
hyperlink "target" (in the hyperlink properties dialogue, then go to the "page
target" options and make sure it *points* to the frame you want it to load in,
otherwise if it's set to _top or _self, it will open a new window.

You need to select the target (name of the frame to load the pages e.g. the
frame's name could be called "main" as opposed to say "top" or "left".

Providing your URL would help tremendously.
 
Hi Andrew

One site URL is www.goldonian.org if you view this site it will work within
its frames no problem. Then open www.ntlworld.com and let the page load then
look at the Goldonian web site and you will find if you hit any of the links
on the lefthand menu it will only bring up that page. The top and side will
not come up. This is what I mean by mucking up. I have found a web site done
in pagemill that works as it should the url for that is
http://holidaylets.chez.tiscali.fr/

The web site I have done have been working ok for years with no problem, but
now I have hit on this problem.

Regards

Frank
 
All working as expected from here...I switched back and forth between all three webs and some of the hyperlinks on the goldonian pages...no problems. Dunno why you are using frames, but that's your choice I guess.


| Hi Andrew
|
| One site URL is www.goldonian.org if you view this site it will work within
| its frames no problem. Then open www.ntlworld.com and let the page load then
| look at the Goldonian web site and you will find if you hit any of the links
| on the lefthand menu it will only bring up that page. The top and side will
| not come up. This is what I mean by mucking up. I have found a web site done
| in pagemill that works as it should the url for that is
| http://holidaylets.chez.tiscali.fr/
|
| The web site I have done have been working ok for years with no problem, but
| now I have hit on this problem.
|
| Regards
|
| Frank
|
| "Andrew Murray" wrote:
|
| > it is probably not the fault of having viewed those other sites. Check the
| > hyperlink "target" (in the hyperlink properties dialogue, then go to the "page
| > target" options and make sure it *points* to the frame you want it to load in,
| > otherwise if it's set to _top or _self, it will open a new window.
| >
| > You need to select the target (name of the frame to load the pages e.g. the
| > frame's name could be called "main" as opposed to say "top" or "left".
| >
| > Providing your URL would help tremendously.
| >
| > | > > Has anybody had the same problem? I have done a few web sites in FP 2002,
| > > just lately I have noticed after I look at the BBC web site or the home page
| > > of NTL (www.ntlworld.com) the framed web sites I have done muck up. The main
| > > page index.htm works ok but any further requested pages come out of the frame.
| > >
| > > I have noticed Framed web sites done in Pagemill don't have the same problem
| > > so it must be a FP problem with its code
| > >
| > > Any thoughts?
| > >
| >
| >
| >
 
Here is a theory: (I could not find anything in the NTL page to verify it)

When you open the BBC or NTL page the browser window is given the name
"main".
When you go back to your site, the links in the frame are targeted to
"main", which is now the whole browser window.

Try changing the name of your "main" frame, and changing the targets in your
links and frameset page to the new name.
 
Hi Rob

Thanks for your input. Regarding using frames, this is the only way I have
found to be able to keep the menu on view at all times and when a page is
added not having to change the other 246 pages of content. I have been told I
can do a style page and add content to this page, but hey ho.

Regards

Frank
 
Hi Ronx

Thanks for your input and time, regarding the home page being named home. I
have had this said before, but I have other webs that are done in frames that
have the same problem ie: www.goldonian.org/hogans This does not have a page
called home page and it has the same problem after looking at the NTL or BBC
web site.

Did you get the same fault as me, with the requested pages coming out of the
main frame www.goldings.htm ?? As Rob Giordano had no problem his end??

Not being an expert I think the clue is in the Pagemill code as that does
not suffer the same problem, yet it’s done in frames.


Frank

Thanks for your time

Frank
 
Its nothing to do with the file name or title of the home page- it's the
name of the window the frameset page appears in.

Your frame windows are named main and contents (in hogans), with the
*window* holding the frameset page un-named.

My theory - I have found nothing (yet) to support it - is that the NTL and
BBC pages name that window "main" - so now you have two windows with the
same name, and the links in contents frame open in the wrong window, that is
they open in the full browser instead of the frame.

If you rename the frame to something else, like "main1", and adjust the
targets in the contents frame, the problem will go away - unless my theory
is wrong :(

I do see the same problem as you when I open the NTL page from an external
link, but not when opening the page from the link on your page, which frames
the NTL page. I suspect that Rob tested using this method. (NTL may object
to your framing their site.) Note that in this case the NTL page opens in a
window already named "main", so it works as you (but not NTL) would like it
to.

In the Piximill site, the main frame is named "Frame15997", which lends
support to my theory and solution.
 
Hi Ronx

Thanks for staying with me on this, being a thicko I did not know you could
change the name of the main frame within FP, this being done it stays within
the main_page frame now so a big thank you from me and all the old boys who
look at the web site. I can now put them back looking at their ISP page NTL

I have also changed the NTL link to open in a new window.

Thanks again

Frank
 
It would take some work now that you have so many pages, but a better way would have been to use Included content in a left table column. This would have given you the same look but without the problems that you have with frames.


| Hi Rob
|
| Thanks for your input. Regarding using frames, this is the only way I have
| found to be able to keep the menu on view at all times and when a page is
| added not having to change the other 246 pages of content. I have been told I
| can do a style page and add content to this page, but hey ho.
|
| Regards
|
| Frank
|
|
| "Rob Giordano (aka: Crash Gordon®)" wrote:
|
| > All working as expected from here...I switched back and forth between all three webs and some of the hyperlinks on the goldonian pages...no problems. Dunno why you are using frames, but that's your choice I guess.
| >
| >
| > | Hi Andrew
| > |
| > | One site URL is www.goldonian.org if you view this site it will work within
| > | its frames no problem. Then open www.ntlworld.com and let the page load then
| > | look at the Goldonian web site and you will find if you hit any of the links
| > | on the lefthand menu it will only bring up that page. The top and side will
| > | not come up. This is what I mean by mucking up. I have found a web site done
| > | in pagemill that works as it should the url for that is
| > | http://holidaylets.chez.tiscali.fr/
| > |
| > | The web site I have done have been working ok for years with no problem, but
| > | now I have hit on this problem.
| > |
| > | Regards
| > |
| > | Frank
| > |
| > | "Andrew Murray" wrote:
| > |
| > | > it is probably not the fault of having viewed those other sites. Check the
| > | > hyperlink "target" (in the hyperlink properties dialogue, then go to the "page
| > | > target" options and make sure it *points* to the frame you want it to load in,
| > | > otherwise if it's set to _top or _self, it will open a new window.
| > | >
| > | > You need to select the target (name of the frame to load the pages e.g. the
| > | > frame's name could be called "main" as opposed to say "top" or "left".
| > | >
| > | > Providing your URL would help tremendously.
| > | >
| > | > | > | > > Has anybody had the same problem? I have done a few web sites in FP 2002,
| > | > > just lately I have noticed after I look at the BBC web site or the home page
| > | > > of NTL (www.ntlworld.com) the framed web sites I have done muck up. The main
| > | > > page index.htm works ok but any further requested pages come out of the frame.
| > | > >
| > | > > I have noticed Framed web sites done in Pagemill don't have the same problem
| > | > > so it must be a FP problem with its code
| > | > >
| > | > > Any thoughts?
| > | > >
| > | >
| > | >
| > | >
| >
 
dump the frames...do menu in left column include.
frames are over-kill for what goldoni is doing anyway. :-)


| Its nothing to do with the file name or title of the home page- it's the
| name of the window the frameset page appears in.
|
| Your frame windows are named main and contents (in hogans), with the
| *window* holding the frameset page un-named.
|
| My theory - I have found nothing (yet) to support it - is that the NTL and
| BBC pages name that window "main" - so now you have two windows with the
| same name, and the links in contents frame open in the wrong window, that is
| they open in the full browser instead of the frame.
|
| If you rename the frame to something else, like "main1", and adjust the
| targets in the contents frame, the problem will go away - unless my theory
| is wrong :(
|
| I do see the same problem as you when I open the NTL page from an external
| link, but not when opening the page from the link on your page, which frames
| the NTL page. I suspect that Rob tested using this method. (NTL may object
| to your framing their site.) Note that in this case the NTL page opens in a
| window already named "main", so it works as you (but not NTL) would like it
| to.
|
| In the Piximill site, the main frame is named "Frame15997", which lends
| support to my theory and solution.
|
| --
| Ron Symonds (Microsoft MVP - FrontPage)
| Reply only to group - emails will be deleted unread.
|
|
| | > Hi Ronx
| >
| > Thanks for your input and time, regarding the home page being named home.
| > I
| > have had this said before, but I have other webs that are done in frames
| > that
| > have the same problem ie: www.goldonian.org/hogans This does not have a
| > page
| > called home page and it has the same problem after looking at the NTL or
| > BBC
| > web site.
| >
| > Did you get the same fault as me, with the requested pages coming out of
| > the
| > main frame www.goldings.htm ?? As Rob Giordano had no problem his end??
| >
| > Not being an expert I think the clue is in the Pagemill code as that does
| > not suffer the same problem, yet it’s done in frames.
| >
| >
| > Frank
| >
| > Thanks for your time
| >
| > Frank
| >
| > "Ronx" wrote:
| >
| >> Here is a theory: (I could not find anything in the NTL page to verify
| >> it)
| >>
| >> When you open the BBC or NTL page the browser window is given the name
| >> "main".
| >> When you go back to your site, the links in the frame are targeted to
| >> "main", which is now the whole browser window.
| >>
| >> Try changing the name of your "main" frame, and changing the targets in
| >> your
| >> links and frameset page to the new name.
| >>
| >> --
| >> Ron Symonds (Microsoft MVP - FrontPage)
| >> Reply only to group - emails will be deleted unread.
| >>
| >>
| >> | >> > Has anybody had the same problem? I have done a few web sites in FP
| >> > 2002,
| >> > just lately I have noticed after I look at the BBC web site or the home
| >> > page
| >> > of NTL (www.ntlworld.com) the framed web sites I have done muck up. The
| >> > main
| >> > page index.htm works ok but any further requested pages come out of the
| >> > frame.
| >> >
| >> > I have noticed Framed web sites done in Pagemill don't have the same
| >> > problem
| >> > so it must be a FP problem with its code
| >> >
| >> > Any thoughts?
| >> >
| >>
| >>
| >>
|
|
 
Ok frames may be the old way of doing web sites, but like I have said before
I want the menu to stay on view at all times along with the header for ease
of navigation. I have 250 plus pages on Goldonian and I want it to be easy
for me to add new pages or create a new link on the navigation bar.

I will bow to your superior knowledge on web sites and ask how this can be
achieved without using java so the menu moves down the page so it can be seen
at all times?

I’m willing to learn new ways of doing web sites, but to say it’s overkill
for what I’m trying to do, can you please explain :)

Thanks for your input

Frank
 
How do you do that -- included content?

Rob Giordano (aka: Crash Gordon®) said:
It would take some work now that you have so many pages, but a better way would have been to use Included content in a left table column. This would have given you the same look but without the problems that you have with frames.


| Hi Rob
|
| Thanks for your input. Regarding using frames, this is the only way I have
| found to be able to keep the menu on view at all times and when a page is
| added not having to change the other 246 pages of content. I have been told I
| can do a style page and add content to this page, but hey ho.
|
| Regards
|
| Frank
|
|
| "Rob Giordano (aka: Crash Gordon®)" wrote:
|
| > All working as expected from here...I switched back and forth between all three webs and some of the hyperlinks on the goldonian pages...no problems. Dunno why you are using frames, but that's your choice I guess.
| >
| >
| > | Hi Andrew
| > |
| > | One site URL is www.goldonian.org if you view this site it will work within
| > | its frames no problem. Then open www.ntlworld.com and let the page load then
| > | look at the Goldonian web site and you will find if you hit any of the links
| > | on the lefthand menu it will only bring up that page. The top and side will
| > | not come up. This is what I mean by mucking up. I have found a web site done
| > | in pagemill that works as it should the url for that is
| > | http://holidaylets.chez.tiscali.fr/
| > |
| > | The web site I have done have been working ok for years with no problem, but
| > | now I have hit on this problem.
| > |
| > | Regards
| > |
| > | Frank
| > |
| > | "Andrew Murray" wrote:
| > |
| > | > it is probably not the fault of having viewed those other sites. Check the
| > | > hyperlink "target" (in the hyperlink properties dialogue, then go to the "page
| > | > target" options and make sure it *points* to the frame you want it to load in,
| > | > otherwise if it's set to _top or _self, it will open a new window.
| > | >
| > | > You need to select the target (name of the frame to load the pages e.g. the
| > | > frame's name could be called "main" as opposed to say "top" or "left".
| > | >
| > | > Providing your URL would help tremendously.
| > | >
| > | > | > | > > Has anybody had the same problem? I have done a few web sites in FP 2002,
| > | > > just lately I have noticed after I look at the BBC web site or the home page
| > | > > of NTL (www.ntlworld.com) the framed web sites I have done muck up. The main
| > | > > page index.htm works ok but any further requested pages come out of the frame.
| > | > >
| > | > > I have noticed Framed web sites done in Pagemill don't have the same problem
| > | > > so it must be a FP problem with its code
| > | > >
| > | > > Any thoughts?
| > | > >
| > | >
| > | >
| > | >
| >
Click to expand...
 
Carol P said:
How do you do that -- included content?
Click to expand...


Hi all, sorry for not posting back but I do now have the problem licked. It
was what is called in the trade as a PEBCAK (Problem Exists Between Chair
And Keyboard) it had been mentioned but it took me ages to realise what
Andrew Murray was saying being a thick Goldings boy.

I renamed the frame from main.htm to home_page and the problem has gone.

With regards to using frames, like I have said without using Java script I
see no way of keeping the top banner and side banner in view at all times for
ease of use as you may appreciate some of the old boys are quite old and some
have got second hand computers running windows 95 and as they scroll down the
links disappear.

I have just completed another web site for my sister www.gitehols.co.uk and
yes I have used frames again, but I will look into using a style sheet, but
she likes the header and side banner staying in view.

I don’t mind any constructive criticism. Cheers all

Frank
 
I have a similar problem with Front Page 2000. However, when I go to
hyperlink properties there is no option for page option. The only options are
Parent, Self, new window or whole page. None of them replace the main frame
while maintaining the content and banner.

Dave
 
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