FP Table of Contents Problems every 30 days or so...

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Every 30 days or so, I have to recreate my organization's Discussion Group -
losing all previous discussions and threads. See the error message:
http://www.26nc.org/Closed_Discussion9/Salem03.htm .

You'll see that the path of the discussion folder is incorrect - adds
another disc.

My current "working" discussion group is at:
http://www.26nc.org/Closed_Discussion10/Salem03.htm

My host (ValueWeb) claims it is a MS problem... not a Server Extension
Problem...?

Any assistance would be appreciated.

Thanks!

Spartacus
 
Your DW's are a subwebs
(currently named http://www.26nc.org/Closed_Discussion10/ and http://www.26nc.org/Closed_Discussion9/)

In both of the DW the tocproto.htm generated by FP is in folder named _discX/ where X is 1,2 etc based on the name assigned by FP
(or you) when you create the DW (not in the folder disc3abc/)

But your posts in both DW are in the folder disc3ab/ in each subweb (which also have copies of tocproto.htm in them)
That indicates you are renaming and/or moving the folders / posts after creating the DW, or copying the folder disc3ab/ into each
new subweb
- normally FP puts the posts in the same folder as the original tocproto.htm file location
(so posts should be in _disc1/ in 9 and _disc2/ in 10)
- That will corrupt the FP meta data and cause the DW to lose it's links paths

How are you creating the new subwebs
- should be as a New Subweb or by publishing an old DW to the new subweb

How / why are you creating, moving the folder disc3abc/

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| Every 30 days or so, I have to recreate my organization's Discussion Group -
| losing all previous discussions and threads. See the error message:
| http://www.26nc.org/Closed_Discussion9/Salem03.htm .
|
| You'll see that the path of the discussion folder is incorrect - adds
| another disc.
|
| My current "working" discussion group is at:
| http://www.26nc.org/Closed_Discussion10/Salem03.htm
|
| My host (ValueWeb) claims it is a MS problem... not a Server Extension
| Problem...?
|
| Any assistance would be appreciated.
|
| Thanks!
|
| Spartacus
 
Thanks for helping...

Each time I run into the Discussion9 problem, which is every 30 days or so,
I create a new subweb (currently Discussion10) and copy all files into it
less the folder discab (tocproto.htm and posts). I do this to keep the same
"look"... fonts, backgrounds...etc).

This is what I'm copying over to the new DW: folder (_borders), and all the
files on the root directory (cfrm, frm, post, srch, tocf, welc, and my index
version - Salem03.htm.).

Yes, there is a directory named _discX with each new DW, but I delete this
and other unused folders (like: themes, images... etc) and the files in the
root (discX_cfrm, discX_frm, etc...) before I move over the copied files.

The bottom line is everything works fine (like Discussion10) for a month...
then, BANG! I get the error message in Discussion9. For some reason it's
adding another disab (or _discX if I kept with the naming convention) onto
the path.

Not sure if helps my cause, but I do appreciate your help.

Spartacus
 
Don't copy - that's causing your corruption
- suspect the server (FP SE) is set to run a health check periodically, and when it does your DW corruption (caused by your copying)
is "exposed"

Each web/subweb (especially DW) contains FP Meta data on the server that is not copied
- it is generated by the FP SE and therefore your copying is corrupting the new DW because the required Meta data and indexes are
missing or not in sync w/ the content
Publishing allows the FP SE to generate the correct meta data

To create a new series or DWs
1st create an Empty new DW (no copying) as a Template (don't post to it)
File Import any images or common content for layout and apply your theme, etc.

The open the empty DW template subweb and Publish it to the new DW subweb when you need one
- if your host does not allow creation of subwebs thru publishing you might get an error, so just create an Empty subweb for the new
DW before you publish to it

--




| Thanks for helping...
|
| Each time I run into the Discussion9 problem, which is every 30 days or so,
| I create a new subweb (currently Discussion10) and copy all files into it
| less the folder discab (tocproto.htm and posts). I do this to keep the same
| "look"... fonts, backgrounds...etc).
|
| This is what I'm copying over to the new DW: folder (_borders), and all the
| files on the root directory (cfrm, frm, post, srch, tocf, welc, and my index
| version - Salem03.htm.).
|
| Yes, there is a directory named _discX with each new DW, but I delete this
| and other unused folders (like: themes, images... etc) and the files in the
| root (discX_cfrm, discX_frm, etc...) before I move over the copied files.
|
| The bottom line is everything works fine (like Discussion10) for a month...
| then, BANG! I get the error message in Discussion9. For some reason it's
| adding another disab (or _discX if I kept with the naming convention) onto
| the path.
|
| Not sure if helps my cause, but I do appreciate your help.
|
| Spartacus
|
| -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
|
| "Stefan B Rusynko" wrote:
|
| > Your DW's are a subwebs
| > (currently named http://www.26nc.org/Closed_Discussion10/ and http://www.26nc.org/Closed_Discussion9/)
| >
| > In both of the DW the tocproto.htm generated by FP is in folder named _discX/ where X is 1,2 etc based on the name assigned by
FP
| > (or you) when you create the DW (not in the folder disc3abc/)
| >
| > But your posts in both DW are in the folder disc3ab/ in each subweb (which also have copies of tocproto.htm in them)
| > That indicates you are renaming and/or moving the folders / posts after creating the DW, or copying the folder disc3ab/ into
each
| > new subweb
| > - normally FP puts the posts in the same folder as the original tocproto.htm file location
| > (so posts should be in _disc1/ in 9 and _disc2/ in 10)
| > - That will corrupt the FP meta data and cause the DW to lose it's links paths
| >
| > How are you creating the new subwebs
| > - should be as a New Subweb or by publishing an old DW to the new subweb
| >
| > How / why are you creating, moving the folder disc3abc/
| >
| > --
| >
| > _____________________________________________
| > SBR @ ENJOY (-: [ Microsoft MVP - FrontPage ]
| > "Warning - Using the F1 Key will not break anything!" (-;
| > To find the best Newsgroup for FrontPage support see:
| > http://www.net-sites.com/sitebuilder/newsgroups.asp
| > _____________________________________________
| >
| >
| > | Every 30 days or so, I have to recreate my organization's Discussion Group -
| > | losing all previous discussions and threads. See the error message:
| > | http://www.26nc.org/Closed_Discussion9/Salem03.htm .
| > |
| > | You'll see that the path of the discussion folder is incorrect - adds
| > | another disc.
| > |
| > | My current "working" discussion group is at:
| > | http://www.26nc.org/Closed_Discussion10/Salem03.htm
| > |
| > | My host (ValueWeb) claims it is a MS problem... not a Server Extension
| > | Problem...?
| > |
| > | Any assistance would be appreciated.
| > |
| > | Thanks!
| > |
| > | Spartacus
| >
| >
| >
 
Oh, never heard about the health check thing...

I'll go ahead and recreate the DW without copying any files and follow your
other advice. If I get the same error in 3-5 weeks, I'll be back... but I
hope not!

Thanks very much... this has been bothering me and my organization for a
couple of years.

Best regards,

Sparatcus

--------------------------------------------------------------------


Stefan B Rusynko said:
Don't copy - that's causing your corruption
- suspect the server (FP SE) is set to run a health check periodically, and when it does your DW corruption (caused by your copying)
is "exposed"

Each web/subweb (especially DW) contains FP Meta data on the server that is not copied
- it is generated by the FP SE and therefore your copying is corrupting the new DW because the required Meta data and indexes are
missing or not in sync w/ the content
Publishing allows the FP SE to generate the correct meta data

To create a new series or DWs
1st create an Empty new DW (no copying) as a Template (don't post to it)
File Import any images or common content for layout and apply your theme, etc.

The open the empty DW template subweb and Publish it to the new DW subweb when you need one
- if your host does not allow creation of subwebs thru publishing you might get an error, so just create an Empty subweb for the new
DW before you publish to it

--




| Thanks for helping...
|
| Each time I run into the Discussion9 problem, which is every 30 days or so,
| I create a new subweb (currently Discussion10) and copy all files into it
| less the folder discab (tocproto.htm and posts). I do this to keep the same
| "look"... fonts, backgrounds...etc).
|
| This is what I'm copying over to the new DW: folder (_borders), and all the
| files on the root directory (cfrm, frm, post, srch, tocf, welc, and my index
| version - Salem03.htm.).
|
| Yes, there is a directory named _discX with each new DW, but I delete this
| and other unused folders (like: themes, images... etc) and the files in the
| root (discX_cfrm, discX_frm, etc...) before I move over the copied files.
|
| The bottom line is everything works fine (like Discussion10) for a month...
| then, BANG! I get the error message in Discussion9. For some reason it's
| adding another disab (or _discX if I kept with the naming convention) onto
| the path.
|
| Not sure if helps my cause, but I do appreciate your help.
|
| Spartacus
|
| -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
|
| "Stefan B Rusynko" wrote:
|
| > Your DW's are a subwebs
| > (currently named http://www.26nc.org/Closed_Discussion10/ and http://www.26nc.org/Closed_Discussion9/)
| >
| > In both of the DW the tocproto.htm generated by FP is in folder named _discX/ where X is 1,2 etc based on the name assigned by
FP
| > (or you) when you create the DW (not in the folder disc3abc/)
| >
| > But your posts in both DW are in the folder disc3ab/ in each subweb (which also have copies of tocproto.htm in them)
| > That indicates you are renaming and/or moving the folders / posts after creating the DW, or copying the folder disc3ab/ into
each
| > new subweb
| > - normally FP puts the posts in the same folder as the original tocproto.htm file location
| > (so posts should be in _disc1/ in 9 and _disc2/ in 10)
| > - That will corrupt the FP meta data and cause the DW to lose it's links paths
| >
| > How are you creating the new subwebs
| > - should be as a New Subweb or by publishing an old DW to the new subweb
| >
| > How / why are you creating, moving the folder disc3abc/
| >
| > --
| >
| > _____________________________________________
| > SBR @ ENJOY (-: [ Microsoft MVP - FrontPage ]
| > "Warning - Using the F1 Key will not break anything!" (-;
| > To find the best Newsgroup for FrontPage support see:
| > http://www.net-sites.com/sitebuilder/newsgroups.asp
| > _____________________________________________
| >
| >
| > | Every 30 days or so, I have to recreate my organization's Discussion Group -
| > | losing all previous discussions and threads. See the error message:
| > | http://www.26nc.org/Closed_Discussion9/Salem03.htm .
| > |
| > | You'll see that the path of the discussion folder is incorrect - adds
| > | another disc.
| > |
| > | My current "working" discussion group is at:
| > | http://www.26nc.org/Closed_Discussion10/Salem03.htm
| > |
| > | My host (ValueWeb) claims it is a MS problem... not a Server Extension
| > | Problem...?
| > |
| > | Any assistance would be appreciated.
| > |
| > | Thanks!
| > |
| > | Spartacus
| >
| >
| >
 
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