FP - go on - persuade me!

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Jim Scott

I used to use FP and was quite happy with it. However my ISP doesn't use FP
extensions and is tight with webspace so I need to keep unnecessary stuff
to a minimum. The more I leaned about HTML, the more I became concerned
about the stuff that FP puts in that I don't really need. What are all
those oddly named folders about and why are they there? Can I stop FP doing
that?
I went back to the start and rebuilt my site using various softwares and
settled for Nvu. Nvu is good. I particularly like the ability to validate
each page as I go along. However it too has its faults. If your website
has folders, you need to be careful where you let it upload to as it uses
the last folder you used; frustrating, but not the end of the world. You
must be careful not to overload it or it goes into a sulk and stops
working. Generally it does well, but where FP comes into its own is it's
ability to check links and compare local web to uploaded web, for orphans
and duplicates. Without FP, I have to use three other pieces of software to
do this.
I won't go through and list my needs as they must be clear. I like FP, but
cannot, or have not been able to, find a way of using its good features
without installing its bad ones. Am I asking too much?
 
FP creates the hidden _vti folder to manage the content of your web site. These folders are never
publishing between locations.

The FP extensions on the live/remote server will create and manage them as needed.

If there are no FP extensions on the live/remote server and you publish via FP's FTP mode then the
_vti folder are not created on the live/remote server.
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FP creates the hidden _vti folder to manage the content of your web site. These folders are never
publishing between locations.

The FP extensions on the live/remote server will create and manage them as needed.

If there are no FP extensions on the live/remote server and you publish via FP's FTP mode then the
_vti folder are not created on the live/remote server.
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So the only way they could have got there would be if I had used a
different ftp client to upload eg WS_FTP?
So you are saying that if I upload my now clean tidy site, FP will add
nothing to it? Better and better.
Finally what is the best way to validate each page as I go along? Just
through my browser and W3C?
 
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Jim Scott said:
So the only way they could have got there would be if I had used a
different ftp client to upload eg WS_FTP?
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Yes or the FP extensions where applied to the site at one time and the site was created directly or
published via FP's http mode.
So you are saying that if I upload my now clean tidy site, FP will add
nothing to it? Better and better.
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If you will be publishing to a server that does not have FP extensions via FP's FTP upload method,
then correct.
Finally what is the best way to validate each page as I go along? Just
through my browser and W3C?
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I don't validate pages. I check pages in the various browsers that I expect to be visiting the site
I am working on.
 
See inline below
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Okey dokey then. I have reinstalled FP and uploaded my site using it. As
you predicted there is/are no _vti folder(s), but there is one called
'private' that wasn't there before. What's that for?
 
Actually it should be named _private

It is exactly what it says, a private folder that is not publicly
accessible.

It's normally used to store hit counter counts, form results pages and
so on.
You can also use it to store page templates and such ,so they're
accessible if / when you're editing on line via http://

hth

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In FP2000 / FP2002, Site Settings = Web Settings

Preserve Existing HTML is not an option in FP2003, as it is now the default function of FP.
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Thanks Thomas
Cheryl was having trouble remembering what was (or in my case 'is') on
FP2002.
Feel free to chip in this thread as I'm sure she won't mind.
To recap I'm trying to use FP2002 to produce validatable mark-up and would
like to disable any FP 'bits' that would prevent that (for the time being
anyhow).
 
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