FP 2002 / Hover buttons

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Craig Schiller

Hi, all -

I'm a noob to FP 2002, and I've been advised by Thomas, one of the
apparent regulars on this forum, not to use the Hover Buttons feature
because they do not display properly in many modern browsers and on
certain OS's. Thomas advised me to use a JavaScript instead.

Which leads me to the musical question: Huh?

Why does a Microsoft include what appears to be a handy feature that
doesn't work in so many contemporary environments? I'm a firm believer
that Microsoft is the company from hell, but this seems bizarre even for
them.

Any insights? I'm really curious about this.

Oh, and one other question: will a JavaScript work on a computer whose
browser has Java disabled, since so many experts recommend disabling it
as a security measure?

Thanks in advance.

Craig
 
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Hi, all -

I'm a noob to FP 2002, and I've been advised by Thomas, one of the
apparent regulars on this forum, not to use the Hover Buttons feature
because they do not display properly in many modern browsers and on
certain OS's. Thomas advised me to use a JavaScript instead.

Which leads me to the musical question: Huh?

Java= Java virtual machine also called microsft virtual machine, which uses
class file
to perform the functions.

javascript= a stand alone scripting language that will operate in a browser.

Why does a Microsoft include what appears to be a handy feature that
doesn't work in so many contemporary environments? I'm a firm believer
that Microsoft is the company from hell, but this seems bizarre even for
them.

Because of the lawsuit with Sun Micro

Any insights? I'm really curious about this.

Hover buttons require that the java virtual machine be installed on
the computer. Since the lawsuit with Sun Micro, MSFT has not been
able to include VM


Oh, and one other question: will a JavaScript work on a computer whose
browser has Java disabled, since so many experts recommend disabling it
as a security measure?

No. if the user has disabled javascript your java features won't work.
 
The reason they include them is beyond me. you could use dhtml effects to
create a "picture swap" on mouseover in place of the hover buttons, which
people never exploited to their full potential anyway (IMHO). java applets
were and are a neat thing they allow a lot of functionality and there are
some really cool programs that will do the hard work for you with them. the
down side is that some computers lack a Java Virtual Machine. Plus Java can
be abused and could harm a computer if a malicious individual decided that's
what they wanted to do.


<IMHO>
MS isn't a company from hell. they're just hard-core capitalists. there
was a time when this was looked on with admiration. I still admire it, I
mean who else do you know who's got more than 40 BILLION in cash and adds a
BILLION every month? This is what United States Capitalism is all about.
it's domination, and complete market penetration. this is what every
business should shoot for. I mean hell, this aint France, it's not even
Canada ;-) this is the US of A where its hard core survival of the fittest.
</IMHO>

btw JavaScript and java are totally different despite the similar name. if
someone doesn't have a JVM to view your applets it doesn't necessarily mean
they've got JavaScript turned off too.

HTH
 
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chris said:
The reason they include them is beyond me. you could use dhtml effects to
create a "picture swap" on mouseover in place of the hover buttons, which
people never exploited to their full potential anyway (IMHO).
Click to expand...

How would one do that? When I look at DHTML effects in FP 2002, it seems to only
provide for simple formatting changes.
java applets
were and are a neat thing they allow a lot of functionality and there are
some really cool programs that will do the hard work for you with them. the
down side is that some computers lack a Java Virtual Machine. Plus Java can
be abused and could harm a computer if a malicious individual decided that's
what they wanted to do.

<IMHO>
MS isn't a company from hell. they're just hard-core capitalists. there
was a time when this was looked on with admiration. I still admire it, I
mean who else do you know who's got more than 40 BILLION in cash and adds a
BILLION every month? This is what United States Capitalism is all about.
it's domination, and complete market penetration. this is what every
business should shoot for. I mean hell, this aint France, it's not even
Canada ;-) this is the US of A where its hard core survival of the fittest.
</IMHO>
Click to expand...

I have no problem with Microsoft making oodles and oodles of money. God bless
them. I DO have a problem with their unsavory use of their monopoly on the OS to
crush competition (e.g. Netscape), and I mostly have a problem with the fact
that so many of their programs stink out loud in terms of usability, and are
buggy to boot. They should use some of that $40 Billion to fix their shit.
btw JavaScript and java are totally different despite the similar name. if
someone doesn't have a JVM to view your applets it doesn't necessarily mean
they've got JavaScript turned off too.
Click to expand...

Thanks for the helpful info.

Craig
 
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Steve Easton said:
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Hi, all -
[snipped]
Oh, and one other question: will a JavaScript work on a computer whose
browser has Java disabled, since so many experts recommend disabling it
as a security measure?
Click to expand...

No. if the user has disabled javascript your java features won't work.
Click to expand...
Javascript has nothing in common with Java, apart from the letters J, A, V,
A.

If javascript is enabled in the browser, javascript features should work,
regardless of the presence or absence of JAVA.

If JAVA is enabled (and the JVM installed) JAVA features should work,
regardless of the status of javascript.

If JAVA is disabled, JAVA features will fail, showing a grey rectangle where
they should display, Javascript will not be affected.

If javascript is disabled, JAVA features will not be affected, well written
javascript features will fail gracefully.

 
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chris said:
The reason they include them is beyond me. you could use dhtml effects to
create a "picture swap" on mouseover in place of the hover buttons, which
people never exploited to their full potential anyway (IMHO).
Click to expand...

How would one do that? When I look at DHTML effects in FP 2002, it seems to only

provide for simple formatting changes.
java applets
were and are a neat thing they allow a lot of functionality and there are
some really cool programs that will do the hard work for you with them. the
down side is that some computers lack a Java Virtual Machine. Plus Java can
be abused and could harm a computer if a malicious individual decided that's
what they wanted to do.

<IMHO>
MS isn't a company from hell. they're just hard-core capitalists. there
was a time when this was looked on with admiration. I still admire it, I
mean who else do you know who's got more than 40 BILLION in cash and adds a
BILLION every month? This is what United States Capitalism is all about.
it's domination, and complete market penetration. this is what every
business should shoot for. I mean hell, this aint France, it's not even
Canada ;-) this is the US of A where its hard core survival of the fittest.
</IMHO>
Click to expand...

I have no problem with Microsoft making oodles and oodles of money. God bless
them. I DO have a problem with their unsavory use of their monopoly on the OS to

crush competition (e.g. Netscape), and I mostly have a problem with the fact
that so many of their programs stink out loud in terms of usability, and are
buggy to boot. They should use some of that $40 Billion to fix their software.
btw JavaScript and java are totally different despite the similar name. if
someone doesn't have a JVM to view your applets it doesn't necessarily mean
they've got JavaScript turned off too.
Click to expand...

Thanks for the helpful info.

Craig
 
When FP2002 was released, MS still had the ability to distribute the MS JVM,
at least until 2004.

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sort of agree. but they haven't crushed windows which is an ok operating
system for some peoples usage style and level of experience.
 
It's a Linux based OS that some fellow
on the west coast is pushing. He even ( at one time )
got Wal-Mart to carry some machines with it installed.
The drawback is that all of the apps it runs are "subscriber"
based and "obviously" you have to subscribe to his
company/servers.

Also I believe MSFT has filed suit against him for the
obvious spin on the Windows name.

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