Formatting New HD

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I've installed a second HD and everything looks good except for one thing-
nothing will format it. It always gets to 100% and then gives an error
message saying that the format was unsuccessful. It has a new drive letter,
is set to active, etc., via XP Disk Management. I don't know what to do to
make the format take. Can somebody please help me with this? Thanks.
 
Make sure the jumper pins on the drive are set correctly.Install xp cd,boot
to xp cd,recovery,press 1 for C: Press enter key for password,type:
DiskPart In DiskPart,create a partition on the new hd,then press ESC key,
type:FORMAT E: /FS:ntfs E: being the new drive,once its thru,type:EXIT
 
Bob Seeley said:
Thanks Andrew. I'll give this a go and let you know how it went. Bob


Bob:
It's not entirely clear (at least to me!) what the precise nature of your
problem is...

You say that the HD in question already has a drive letter assigned to it
"via XP Disk Management", so it would appear that the drive has been
successfully partitioned & formatted. So why are you attempting to format it
now? Are you undertaking a fresh install of XP on that drive? And you
desire, for one reason or another, to reformat the drive?

Assuming that *is* the case -- it is not too terribly rare that XP will
fail, for unknown reasons, to complete the formatting process of a perfectly
sound HD during the XP install routine. We have run into that situation a
number of times. In nearly every case involving that problem we found that a
second or even a third attempt of the XP install process resulted in
success.

In a very few cases, try as we may, the formatting process was unsuccessful.
In those cases we had to resort to formatting the HD with a DOS boot disk,
e.g., a Win9x/Me Startup floppy disk. Naturally that would format the drive
FAT32 so we usually went through the conversion process to NTFS following
the successful install of XP.

I'm assuming in all this that the HD is non-defective and that it has been
correctly installed & configured in your system, as alluded to by Andrew. It
would be desirable for you to recheck that this is so. Assuming that this
problem has arisen during the XP install process, make sure you have no
other HDs connected other than the HD on which you're installing the OS.
This includes USB external HDs as well as any other storage devices.

Insofar as using the Diskpart command as suggested by Andrew, you do
understand that the basic functions of that command are to delete & recreate
disk partitions, right? Ordinarily that DOS command is unnecessary in an XP
environment although there are rare times that it can be successfully used.
You might want to take a look at the MS KB article that describes the
Diskpart utility...
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;EN-US;300415
Anna
 
Hi Anna

Anna said:
Bob:
It's not entirely clear (at least to me!) what the precise nature of your
problem is...

You say that the HD in question already has a drive letter assigned to it
"via XP Disk Management", so it would appear that the drive has been
successfully partitioned & formatted.

Well, patitioned yes, formatted no. All attempts to format it, regardless of
what utility I use, Recovery Console, XP Disk Management, whatever, after 30
minutes of what appears to be a successful process of formatting, results at
100% with the message, "The format did not complete successfully".
So why are you attempting to format it
now? Are you undertaking a fresh install of XP on that drive? And you
desire, for one reason or another, to reformat the drive?

No. I just bought this new HD, the same make and model as the one that was
in in my computer when I bought it, in hopes of creating a mirror so that I
wouldn't have to go through the same tiring process of reinstalling XP again,
which happened to me about a week ago when Partition Magic 8 wiped out my MBR
and nothing (fixmbr, etc) would successfully get my hard drive to repair.
Assuming that *is* the case -- it is not too terribly rare that XP will
fail, for unknown reasons, to complete the formatting process of a perfectly
sound HD during the XP install routine. We have run into that situation a
number of times. In nearly every case involving that problem we found that > a second or even a third attempt of the XP install process resulted in
success.

In a very few cases, try as we may, the formatting process was unsuccessful.
In those cases we had to resort to formatting the HD with a DOS boot disk,
e.g., a Win9x/Me Startup floppy disk. Naturally that would format the drive
FAT32 so we usually went through the conversion process to NTFS following
the successful install of XP.

Hmm. Well, I don't have an old Win9x/Me floppy, and if I did I would worry
about it dealing with a 60GB HD. I might see if XP Disk Management will
format it FAT32 and if it will, then deal with the conversion to NTFS.
I'm assuming in all this that the HD is non-defective and that it has been
correctly installed & configured in your system, as alluded to by Andrew. It

I did go back and run the Hard Disk manufacturer's utility program to check
the disk. It was via a floppy disk resident program. After what seemed like
forever it came back with the same message as before, that the hard drive had
passed all tests (including a search for any bad sectors).
would be desirable for you to recheck that this is so. Assuming that this
problem has arisen during the XP install process, make sure you have no
other HDs connected other than the HD on which you're installing the OS.
This includes USB external HDs as well as any other storage devices.

Insofar as using the Diskpart command as suggested by Andrew, you do
understand that the basic functions of that command are to delete & recreate
disk partitions, right?

Yeah, I know that.
Ordinarily that DOS command is unnecessary in an XP
environment although there are rare times that it can be successfully used.
You might want to take a look at the MS KB article that describes the
Diskpart utility...
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;EN-US;300415

I did that. Like you said, Diskpart will only add or delete a partition.

I'm at my wits end on this. If you have any more comments, I'd appreciate it.

Thanks, Bob
 
Hi Andrew,

Formatting from within the recovery from the XP disk didn't work either.
Same result. Thanks for your idea though. If you can think of anything else,
please let me know.

Bob
 
Andrew & Anna -
I've got half a notion to uninstall the SP2 update. At least before that I
was able to install the Recovery Console. Now I have to run it via 6
floppies. Grr.
Bob
 
Bob Seeley said:
Hi Anna



Well, patitioned yes, formatted no. All attempts to format it, regardless
of
what utility I use, Recovery Console, XP Disk Management, whatever, after
30
minutes of what appears to be a successful process of formatting, results
at
100% with the message, "The format did not complete successfully".


No. I just bought this new HD, the same make and model as the one that was
in in my computer when I bought it, in hopes of creating a mirror so that
I
wouldn't have to go through the same tiring process of reinstalling XP
again,
which happened to me about a week ago when Partition Magic 8 wiped out my
MBR
and nothing (fixmbr, etc) would successfully get my hard drive to repair.


Hmm. Well, I don't have an old Win9x/Me floppy, and if I did I would worry
about it dealing with a 60GB HD. I might see if XP Disk Management will
format it FAT32 and if it will, then deal with the conversion to NTFS.


I did go back and run the Hard Disk manufacturer's utility program to
check
the disk. It was via a floppy disk resident program. After what seemed
like
forever it came back with the same message as before, that the hard drive
had
passed all tests (including a search for any bad sectors).


Yeah, I know that.


I did that. Like you said, Diskpart will only add or delete a partition.


I'm at my wits end on this. If you have any more comments, I'd appreciate
it.
Thanks, Bob


Bob:
An interesting problem. And thanks for your clear response.

No, Disk Management will not format your 60 GB HD FAT32. XP has a 32 GB
limitation involving formatting a disk FAT32. Presumably, as a last resort,
you could create two (or more) partitions, each one not exceeding 32 GB and
format them FAT32 (presuming there would be no problem with the formatting
routine) and subsequently perform the NTFS conversion. But that's a rather
tortuous workaround that I'm not fond of and besides, I'm not sure if it's
even workable.

And, of course, you're absolutely sure you've correctly configured/connected
that secondary HD, right? Absolutely sure.

And I suppose you've tried to format the drive a number of times using the
DM utility, but each time it failed, right? Always at the same point, at the
end of the formatting process?

JS recommendation re trying a quick format may have some merit. If memory
serves me correctly that once worked for us too except it was during an XP
install process as I recall. But it might be worth a try in your situation.

When you were originally able to use the DM utility to partition the drive
(I assume it's a single partition, right?) it initialized properly (it was a
"virgin" HD, yes?) and the partition was created with no problem, right?

All in all, I would guess if all else fails or is impractical, formatting
the disk FAT32 using a DOS boot disk as has been mentioned would be the way
to go - again, followed by a NTFS conversion. And, of course, assuming the
drive *could* be formatted FAT32. I believe software to create a DOS boot
floppy disk is available from a number of websites, one of the more popular
being the one at http://www.bootdisk.com

A thought just occurred to me...

You say you're planning to use that 60 GB HD "in hopes of creating a
mirror". I assume from that that you're planning to use a disk imaging
program to (routinely) clone the contents of your working HD to the 60 GB
one in order to maintain a backup system. If that is the case, then the disk
cloning process should solve this problem since it will, in effect, transfer
over the partition(s) & formatting of your source disk. Hopefully, that
should resolve this problem. You need not partition/format the drive prior
to the disk cloning operation.
Anna
 
Anna (and Andrew and JS) -
Thank you all very much for your responses and your obvious expertise. I've
really appreciated it. I'm writing this to let you all know that my problem
has been solved. I found a utility on the net called "Samsung Disk Manager".
Apparently what should have been included with my hard drive purchase but was
not. I haven't got a clue as to what it did, but it took about 20 seconds to
set up the new hard drive. Apparently the formatting that I had done that
resulted in the failure message, actually had formatted it. Some bit had been
set that told the system that the format had failed and thereafter it showed
up as RAW. Anyway, if anyone out there is savvy enough to take that utility
apart and determine what it does, they would have a perfect response to
anyone with this same problem in the future. If anyone's interested, just
google for DM_Creator.zip. Thank you all very much. This has been quite
education for me even though I still don't know the details of why SP2
continually rejected my attempts to format the new HD. Live and learn. Right?
Right.
 
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