Format Install?

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I've got an OEM pc with Vista Home Premium.

1) Can I do a fomat install of Vista Home Premium using the upgrade
version, or will I need the full version?

2) Second question regarding the same pc as delivered from the OEM with
Home Premium: can I do a format install of Ultimate using the upgrade
version, or will I need the full version?

(I posted this question earlier stated a different way, but didn't get many
answers. I did get plenty of responses stating that OEMs really mess up
Vista with all their added junk and that there are other ways of deleting
this junk, etc. I know all of this--I just want a clean install of Vista,
and it seems like I shouldn't need to pay for the full version to do this.
Yes, I know: I shouldn't have to pay for it at all, but I do.)

Thanks!
 
helpherb said:
I've got an OEM pc with Vista Home Premium.
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So the PC came preinstaklled with the OEM Home Premium - yes ?
(assuming yes)
1) Can I do a fomat install of Vista Home Premium using the upgrade
version, or will I need the full version?
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Since your machine came with an OEM Home Premium you are not qualified
to use an upgrade, but then why would you as you have the same OS
already.
Your OEM should have provided a way to return your PC to as shipped
from them.
If you are actually intending to do an reformat and reinstall then you
will need to buy a new Full retail copy as you OEM product key will
not work with anything other then the as supplied OS. And the upgrade
DVDs need to be started from with a running qualifying OS (which you
do not have as you have the current OS).
2) Second question regarding the same pc as delivered from the OEM
with
Home Premium: can I do a format install of Ultimate using the
upgrade
version, or will I need the full version?
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Upgrade are conducted from within a qualifying OS - although you can
have the old Windows folder moved out of the way so it is like a new
install but without the unnecessary reformat.
Full versions allow a full format and install run.
 
helpherb said:
I've got an OEM pc with Vista Home Premium.

1) Can I do a fomat install of Vista Home Premium using the upgrade
version, or will I need the full version?

2) Second question regarding the same pc as delivered from the OEM with
Home Premium: can I do a format install of Ultimate using the upgrade
version, or will I need the full version?

(I posted this question earlier stated a different way, but didn't get many
answers. I did get plenty of responses stating that OEMs really mess up
Vista with all their added junk and that there are other ways of deleting
this junk, etc. I know all of this--I just want a clean install of Vista,
and it seems like I shouldn't need to pay for the full version to do this.
Yes, I know: I shouldn't have to pay for it at all, but I do.)

Thanks!
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You shouldn't need to pay at all. If the vendor didn't provide you with
disks, they probably included an install partition, or some tool that
would allow you to create install disks. Talk to your vendor before you
do anything drastic...
 
CybrGuy said:
You shouldn't need to pay at all. If the vendor didn't provide you
with disks, they probably included an install partition, or some
tool that would allow you to create install disks. Talk to your
vendor before you do anything drastic...
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OEMs are not required to provide full media or a method of creating
such media. They are only required to provide a method to recover the
PC to "as shipped". This may be recovery DVDs or a partition etc.
This process may or may not be destructive to user data and
applications installed on the PC (again up to the individual OEM how
they approach this).
 
"Your OEM should have provided a way to return your PC to as shipped
from them." In your dreams Mike.

That's right. And aside from Dell, any way they provided is a piece of crap
and testamants to that are in the millions on Vista and XP groups in the
metastatic, ectopic corners of the web. Since OEM preinstalls are the chief
way the ordinary consumer buys Vista, why are their so many "help I can't
boot I can't fix it" threads on this newsgroup and thousands of other
groups/forums?

MSFT continues to perpetuate the phenomenon where their customers cannot
recover because they do not have access to Win RE's tools in Vista because
they cannot find a Vista DVD in their home or business. The remedy?

Tell the OEM partner who is getting rich from you along with MSFT --I won't
buy your computer for $1000 to $4000 bucks until you supply me with a Visduh
DVD so that I have acess to the full panoply of Recovery tools in Win RE.

The sales person will most likely not know what you're talking about, but
they do know what a Visduh DVD is. They know they try to move their boxes
without one. Their big bosses know MSFT leaned on them not to provide
because of one motivation: GREED. Concerns that the customer can access Win
RE from MSFT are nil when it comes to the contract they force their OEM
named partners into


Branigan has the same gushing tone as a MSFT Sycophant about recovery
partitions and discs as delusional Dick Cheney has for the Iraq Fiasco.
Cheney's the one who had Libby's lawyers file motions so he wouldn't have to
testify this morning. LOL

CH
 
Thanks, Mike, you answered my question: only full versions allow a format
install.

Just to answer your question, I want to do this to get rid of all the OEM
junk and changes that they make to Vista (Microsoft calls 'em craplets). You
can beg, you can plead, you can moan, and you can groan, but OEMs won't ship
you you just Vista. In theory you can delete the craplets, but reality gets
in the way. If you can do it at all, it takes hours.
 
OEMs are not required to provide full media or a method of creating
such media. They are only required to provide a method to recover the
PC to "as shipped". This may be recovery DVDs or a partition etc.
This process may or may not be destructive to user data and
applications installed on the PC (again up to the individual OEM how
they approach this).


Translation:

OEMs are forced into contracts for pre-installed Vista that force them not
to send Vista (the full OS ) on media. This has been going on for years. As
long as people are so stupid they are willing to poay $1000-4000 that's one
to four grand on the street for that bad boy dual core, that bad boy video
card, and the bad boy processor, etc. then MSFT and your computer
manufacture are going to keep screwing you big time.

Wake up! Make the OEM provide a Vista DVD. What Brannigan didn't tell you
is that to close a sale many of them will. They have them. Assert yourself.
Brannigan was part of the screwing of customers for years at MSFT until
very recently, and he remains a MSFT Sycophant.

CH
 
Chad Harris said:
Brannigan was part of the screwing of customers for years at MSFT
until very recently, ...
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Would you like to provide some direct evidence to back up this
statement?

Ignoring your claims or assertions about OEM licensing and Microsoft
policy etc - can you provide any evidence that I had any involvement
at all in any part of the OEM license sales, contracts or otherwise
within Microsoft?

No - didn't think you could.

I suggest you be a little more careful in the what you say about
people and just be a little more certain of your facts.
 
Mike said:
OEMs are not required to provide full media or a method of creating
such media. They are only required to provide a method to recover the
PC to "as shipped". This may be recovery DVDs or a partition etc.
This process may or may not be destructive to user data and
applications installed on the PC (again up to the individual OEM how
they approach this).
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Independent of what the 'requirements' may be, I have never purchased a
PC what didn't either include cd/dvds of the OS and any preinstalled
software, include a facility for making them, or offer to send them to
me after a phone request. And, frankly, I would never purchase from a
vendor that wasn't willing to do one of the above.
 
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