Forgot How to Install Processor

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I'm about to install a Pentium 4 3.06 GHz processor on my Asus P4533-E
motherboard. I know I should use the thermal compound (Artic Silver 3 is
what I have) but what do I do with the grey padded gunk thats on the
supplied heatsink???

Do I remove it or apply the compound in addition???

TIA
 
News said:
I'm about to install a Pentium 4 3.06 GHz processor on my Asus P4533-E
motherboard. I know I should use the thermal compound (Artic Silver 3
is what I have) but what do I do with the grey padded gunk thats on
the supplied heatsink???

Do I remove it or apply the compound in addition???

TIA
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Neither. You don't use it at all. The pad is thermal compound - simply
clip/screw it into place. Thermal compound is only necessary if you remove
the HSF as the pad is good for one use only. Then you will need to scrape it
off (I use a knife and rubbing alcohol) make sure it's dry and apply a thin
layer of compound and reseat.
 
(1) You mean to tell me the retailed boxed Pentium 4 heat sink fan and
processor is ready to install right out the box???

(2a) Then why would I remove the thermal compound on a brand new Pentium 4
HSF and apply Arctic Silver??? (2b) Did someone tell me wrong or they just
prefer Arctic Silver compound over the supplied Intel compound???

TIA
 
News Groupie said:
Do I remove it or apply the compound in addition???
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**read instructions...they are in plastic bag inside retail box.

install processor on mainboard
(keeping oily fingers off processor)

take protective film off sticky pad on heatsink
(again keep fingers off the sticky portion)
then put heatsink on processor gently but firm
clamp down heatsink...and done
 
News Groupie said:
(1) You mean to tell me the retailed boxed Pentium 4 heat sink fan and
processor is ready to install right out the box???
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pretty well...
that's why it's a "retail box" and not an OEM box.
retail box also comes with 3 year processor warranty BUT
only if using supplied heatsink from intel and their sticky pad.
(2a) Then why would I remove the thermal compound on a
brand new Pentium 4 HSF and apply Arctic Silver???
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arctic silver will let it run (idle) cooler BUT only if done properly.
ie: not recommended for first-timers
It will also VOID the warranty on the intel P4 retail boxed cpu.
(2b) Did someone tell me wrong
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Yes, they meant well but nothing wrong w/supplied heatsink.
That's why you pay a few dollars xtra over an OEM cpu...
3 years instead of 1 year (oem is one year) and get fan/heatsink.
or they just prefer Arctic Silver compound over the supplied Intel
compound???
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Many people prefer the AS compound but that comes from experience.
For a newbie it's best to let shop install retail cpu on board
(if cpu and board bought at same shop)
then that shop covers/helps testing cpu and board combo and warranty.

In general...temperature of cpu (idle) is ok with intel heatsink,
and you get benefit of a 3 year warranty on the cpu.

The Arctic Silver (if done right) can keep cpu cooler and that will
"usually" keep cpu alive longer/and more stable system..but a moot point.
I don't think it's worth losing the warranty for a new cpu.
However..if you replace mainboard or move the cpu...
then use Arctic Silver to "re-install" cpu.

More than this...
read cpu instructions or contact Intel/supplier by email.

PS...if using knife to remove junky intel thermal pad...
use a plastic knife and cleaner or you can scratch
or gouge cpu/heatsink and that hurts thermal layers.
 
Thanks so much! You guys were very very helpful and saved me tons of time.

Thanks again!
 
News Groupie said:
Thanks so much! You guys were very very helpful and saved me tons of time.

Thanks again!
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ok, although Intel could use nicer comic book size/style instructions
to show/explain mounting than that itty bitty booklet in retail box.

Many hobby people still buy the retail boxed cpu even though they
don't worry about warranty or even use supplied fan/heatsink as
(in general) the retail boxed cpu is a better quality than the OEM cpu.

The retail cpu is sometimes lower idle temp and better for overclocking,
in general the retail cpu's were supposed to last 5+ years and the OEM
around 3+ years but you may get get variances. Today the
manufacturing processes (die jobs) and batch selections are better
so one is usually happy even if a used cpu (rare to see dead intel cpu).

so it can be confusing what to do if this is someones first project. ;-)
 
ok, although Intel could use nicer comic book size/style instructions
to show/explain mounting than that itty bitty booklet in retail box.
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Paper is just so wasteful though, why not just a nice online tutorial with
lots of high-res pics or a video? Really it's excessive what they charge
for P4 anyway, anything that costs them 25 cent might cost you $2 so the
less they include the better.
Many hobby people still buy the retail boxed cpu even though they
don't worry about warranty or even use supplied fan/heatsink as
(in general) the retail boxed cpu is a better quality than the OEM cpu.
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Nonsense. Retail has warranty and heatsink, otherwise no difference in
quality unless you're buying from a questionable vendor who sorts them
based on o'c ability and gets rid of the worst with sale prices.
The retail cpu is sometimes lower idle temp and better for overclocking,
in general the retail cpu's were supposed to last 5+ years and the OEM
around 3+ years but you may get get variances. Today the
manufacturing processes (die jobs) and batch selections are better
so one is usually happy even if a used cpu (rare to see dead intel cpu).

so it can be confusing what to do if this is someones first project. ;-)
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No, retail and OEM do not idle at different temp per same
model/core/voltage. They don't have different lifespan either.
 
Last I heard, Intel dumps the less than factory spec cpus in the
incinerator. The subject at hand was Intel P4s. Not AMD or otherwise. If
you're talking other than Intel P4s, specify that. Apples and oranges
again.
 
Most new fans come with a square of compound on them so that is probably
what that gunk is. Unless you think what you have is better just use what
they have on there.
 
http://www.velocitymicro.com/retail_vs_oem.php?PHPSESSID=434c83c0b956ced176f4eaa5651fd33a

we went through huge debate few years ago on oem
and value ram quality...cpu is usually the same problems
unless is some unusually good yield/process.

thx
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The link is misleading, or "wrong" due to insufficient detail, vagueness
used as a marketing tool. Ask Intel.

It's pretty much irrelevant who went through what huge debate, as the
details are what matters, on usenet you can find a majority agreeing to
all sorts of falsehoods on any given day. Also some OEM parts ARE often
inferior, for example OEM video cards often run at lower frequency of core
or memory or include a lesser heatsink. If you consider that an Intel
retail 'sink can be better OR worse than an aftermarket 'sink, again it
doens't apply to the retail vs. OEM arguement.
 
Nonsense.
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Sadly, its often true...if you determine quality as when the part is
ready to install into the machine.
Retail has warranty and heatsink, otherwise no difference in
quality unless you're buying from a questionable vendor who sorts them
based on o'c ability and gets rid of the worst with sale prices.
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Or tosses them around...especially hard drives. Or handles them
improperly...ESD, etc.

If yer talkin' quality arriving at the point of installation, retail
is often much better than OEM. Retail is packaged for durability at
the factory...and can take almost any abuse from that point on.

OEM is shipped in bulk...and ALSO properly...from the factory. Its
what happens from the dealer to your assembly that can...and often
does...make the difference.


Have a nice week...

Trent©

Follow Joan Rivers' example --- get pre-embalmed!
 
That is just an advertisement from a company that wants you to buy retail parts from them; it is not reasonable to
enter that as evidence of any disparity in quality between Intel P4 (retail) and Intel P4 (OEM).

Jon
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OEM always requires more handling...and different packaging. Therein
lies the difference.

If you want a live demonstration, go to a computer show in your area.
Watch how they sell and package CPU's, RAM, hard drives, etc. Make a
note of how many sales people are walking around with grounding
straps. lol

I've seen warehouse folks in action. Things aren't much better there.

A blanket statement cannot be made, of course. Many wholesalers are
very careful in their unpacking and re-packing. But, in general, its
a safer bet with retail packaging.


Have a nice week...

Trent©

Follow Joan Rivers' example --- get pre-embalmed!
 
Baseless crap.

Superior / inferior. Get Retail parts and be assured? So, how does Intel
make the difference between a P4 2.4 and a P4 2.6?

I would suggest they are too busy ensuring they turn out chips that are To
Spec to worry about which ones end up in a retail or OEM box. Certainly they
produce military and other grades - but at a price.

So the issue comes down to is the chip To Specification or not? If intel
started churning out below spec chips there would be a huge backlash.
Similarly if the OEM chips had a higher failure rate (why should they - they
are either Top Spec or not) then the big OEM consumers EG IBM, Dell, HP etc
would clout them on the head.

- Tim
 
Sadly, its often true...if you determine quality as when the part is
ready to install into the machine.


Or tosses them around...especially hard drives. Or handles them
improperly...ESD, etc.

If yer talkin' quality arriving at the point of installation, retail
is often much better than OEM. Retail is packaged for durability at
the factory...and can take almost any abuse from that point on.

OEM is shipped in bulk...and ALSO properly...from the factory. Its
what happens from the dealer to your assembly that can...and often
does...make the difference.
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You must be dealing with the vendors from hell. I don't recall any
problems with OEM chips that would make it significant enough to choose
retail over OEM for this reason. If anything I"d put odds against the
user being the one who damages the chip, and unfortunately the retail
package can't overcome that unless you assume the retail heatsink is
easier to install, which may or may not be the case.
 
Trent© said:
OEM always requires more handling...and different packaging. Therein
lies the difference.

If you want a live demonstration, go to a computer show in your area.
Watch how they sell and package CPU's, RAM, hard drives, etc. Make a
note of how many sales people are walking around with grounding
straps. lol

I've seen warehouse folks in action. Things aren't much better there.

A blanket statement cannot be made, of course. Many wholesalers are
very careful in their unpacking and re-packing. But, in general, its
a safer bet with retail packaging.
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Your talking from a packaging viewpoint here, Trent, which was not the focus of my reply. The person I was
responding to is claiming that the difference between retail and OEM P4's occurs at Intel, and that OEM's are a
lower graded version of what goes for retail. In other words, that they are deliberately sold as OEM due to their
being inferior to the retail graded versions.

Jon
 
re: only the ddr ram issues mentioned above:
http://www.simmtester.com/page/news/showpubnews.asp?num=94
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Certainly there are several grades of memory, different timings and even
generic. Let us know when you come across a generic P4 that has a PROM
programmed to compensate for some deficiency. The retail and OEM chips
leave Intel as identical counterparts except for the printing on the label
to denote which they are for tracking/warranty purposes.
 
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