Force XP to connect to LAN before loading other programs?

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Can you force XP to connect to the LAN before executing other (dependent)
tasks? For example, Messenger tries to sign in before the connection to the
router is fully established on a PC using XP and a Netgear router - and
consequently the sign in fails.
 
Can you force XP to connect to the LAN before executing other (dependent)
tasks? For example, Messenger tries to sign in before the connection to the
router is fully established on a PC using XP and a Netgear router - and
consequently the sign in fails.
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Charlie,

Is your network Ethernet, or WiFi? Many WiFi client managers load only after
you login, and request that you select a network connection.

I, personally, won't have any IM client load automatically. I have 3 on each of
my computers - Google, Microsoft, and Yahoo. But I start each one when
convenient to ME, not when the desktop loads. The first thing I do after
updating any IM client is check the settings and make sure that "Start
automatically" is NOT selected.

--
Cheers,
Chuck, MS-MVP 2005-2007 [Windows - Networking]
http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/
Paranoia is not a problem, when it's a normal response from experience.
My email is AT DOT
actual address pchuck mvps org.
 
Chuck, this particular connection is wired via Ethernet directly to the router.

I know I can turn off Messenger (not to mention Skype and all the rest), but
this doesn't really answer my question :-) I'd still like to know if I can
prioritise the LAN connection to the router.

Charlie

Chuck said:
Can you force XP to connect to the LAN before executing other (dependent)
tasks? For example, Messenger tries to sign in before the connection to the
router is fully established on a PC using XP and a Netgear router - and
consequently the sign in fails.
Click to expand...


Charlie,

Is your network Ethernet, or WiFi? Many WiFi client managers load only after
you login, and request that you select a network connection.

I, personally, won't have any IM client load automatically. I have 3 on each of
my computers - Google, Microsoft, and Yahoo. But I start each one when
convenient to ME, not when the desktop loads. The first thing I do after
updating any IM client is check the settings and make sure that "Start
automatically" is NOT selected.

--
Cheers,
Chuck, MS-MVP 2005-2007 [Windows - Networking]
http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/
Paranoia is not a problem, when it's a normal response from experience.
My email is AT DOT
actual address pchuck mvps org.
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Chuck, this particular connection is wired via Ethernet directly to the router.

I know I can turn off Messenger (not to mention Skype and all the rest), but
this doesn't really answer my question :-) I'd still like to know if I can
prioritise the LAN connection to the router.

Charlie
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Charlie,

Your original problem description was a bit vague.
<http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/06/background-information-useful-in.html>
http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/06/background-information-useful-in.html

Most computers load Ethernet drivers when starting up, way before you login and
executing other (dependent) tasks. Most "Messengers" start up after you login.
When is your Messenger trying to start up? Before, or after, you login?

The term "Messenger" is a bit vague too.

--
Cheers,
Chuck, MS-MVP 2005-2007 [Windows - Networking]
http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/
Paranoia is not a problem, when it's a normal response from experience.
My email is AT DOT
actual address pchuck mvps org.
 
OK, Chuck, I'll try for greater clarity. Here are some details of what I
perceive to be going on.

- I'm running Windows XP Professional, SP2, all the latest updates, critical
and custom.
- The PC is reasonably elderly, a bespoke build from Systemax with AMD
Athlon processor, 2GB RAM, 110 and 250 MB hard drives, Nvidia nForce
integrated Ethernet local area network connection.
- The PC is connected to a Netgear RangeMax ADSL Model Wireless Router
DG834PN via Ethernet cable, RJ45.
- The ADSL broadband connection is provided by Demon. I get up to 6 or 7 MB
downstream.
- I turn the PC on and Windows starts. I log in, and wait for startup
programs to run.
- The LAN connection - and I'm only observing this from the way the
"two-blue-screens" icon loads in the system tray - appears to be established
very late in the start-up cycle. The icon often appears close to last of a
list including Lexmark utilities, Logitech camera tools etc.. I don't know if
this really means anything.
- Windows Live Messenger 8.1 usually tries to sign in (the two blue flashing
torsos) before - it seems to me - the LAN connection is established, and
consequently fails, leading to the "red-cross-over-blue-torso" failure icon.
Again, I don't really know what's going on in the background.

It's not that I desperately need Live Messenger in particular to work OK. As
you've said before, it's probably better to have it turned off. But first,
I'd like to see it start and work like I imagine it's supposed to :-)

Some tools to inpect all of this would be good too ...

Charlie

Chuck said:
Chuck, this particular connection is wired via Ethernet directly to the router.

I know I can turn off Messenger (not to mention Skype and all the rest), but
this doesn't really answer my question :-) I'd still like to know if I can
prioritise the LAN connection to the router.

Charlie
Click to expand...

Charlie,

Your original problem description was a bit vague.
<http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/06/background-information-useful-in.html>
http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/06/background-information-useful-in.html

Most computers load Ethernet drivers when starting up, way before you login and
executing other (dependent) tasks. Most "Messengers" start up after you login.
When is your Messenger trying to start up? Before, or after, you login?

The term "Messenger" is a bit vague too.

--
Cheers,
Chuck, MS-MVP 2005-2007 [Windows - Networking]
http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/
Paranoia is not a problem, when it's a normal response from experience.
My email is AT DOT
actual address pchuck mvps org.
Click to expand...
 
Chuck, if the frustrations of tech support and clarity get to you, please
check out this wonderful video:


Charlie

Charlie said:
OK, Chuck, I'll try for greater clarity. Here are some details of what I
perceive to be going on.

- I'm running Windows XP Professional, SP2, all the latest updates, critical
and custom.
- The PC is reasonably elderly, a bespoke build from Systemax with AMD
Athlon processor, 2GB RAM, 110 and 250 MB hard drives, Nvidia nForce
integrated Ethernet local area network connection.
- The PC is connected to a Netgear RangeMax ADSL Model Wireless Router
DG834PN via Ethernet cable, RJ45.
- The ADSL broadband connection is provided by Demon. I get up to 6 or 7 MB
downstream.
- I turn the PC on and Windows starts. I log in, and wait for startup
programs to run.
- The LAN connection - and I'm only observing this from the way the
"two-blue-screens" icon loads in the system tray - appears to be established
very late in the start-up cycle. The icon often appears close to last of a
list including Lexmark utilities, Logitech camera tools etc.. I don't know if
this really means anything.
- Windows Live Messenger 8.1 usually tries to sign in (the two blue flashing
torsos) before - it seems to me - the LAN connection is established, and
consequently fails, leading to the "red-cross-over-blue-torso" failure icon.
Again, I don't really know what's going on in the background.

It's not that I desperately need Live Messenger in particular to work OK. As
you've said before, it's probably better to have it turned off. But first,
I'd like to see it start and work like I imagine it's supposed to :-)

Some tools to inpect all of this would be good too ...

Charlie

Chuck said:
:

On Mon, 27 Aug 2007 00:08:01 -0700, Charlie

Can you force XP to connect to the LAN before executing other (dependent)
tasks? For example, Messenger tries to sign in before the connection to the
router is fully established on a PC using XP and a Netgear router - and
consequently the sign in fails.


Charlie,

Is your network Ethernet, or WiFi? Many WiFi client managers load only after
you login, and request that you select a network connection.

I, personally, won't have any IM client load automatically. I have 3 on each of
my computers - Google, Microsoft, and Yahoo. But I start each one when
convenient to ME, not when the desktop loads. The first thing I do after
updating any IM client is check the settings and make sure that "Start
automatically" is NOT selected.
Click to expand...
Chuck, this particular connection is wired via Ethernet directly to the router.

I know I can turn off Messenger (not to mention Skype and all the rest), but
this doesn't really answer my question :-) I'd still like to know if I can
prioritise the LAN connection to the router.

Charlie
Click to expand...

Charlie,

Your original problem description was a bit vague.
<http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/06/background-information-useful-in.html>
http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/06/background-information-useful-in.html

Most computers load Ethernet drivers when starting up, way before you login and
executing other (dependent) tasks. Most "Messengers" start up after you login.
When is your Messenger trying to start up? Before, or after, you login?

The term "Messenger" is a bit vague too.

--
Cheers,
Chuck, MS-MVP 2005-2007 [Windows - Networking]
http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/
Paranoia is not a problem, when it's a normal response from experience.
My email is AT DOT
actual address pchuck mvps org.
Click to expand...
Click to expand...
 
OK, Chuck, I'll try for greater clarity. Here are some details of what I
perceive to be going on.

- I'm running Windows XP Professional, SP2, all the latest updates, critical
and custom.
- The PC is reasonably elderly, a bespoke build from Systemax with AMD
Athlon processor, 2GB RAM, 110 and 250 MB hard drives, Nvidia nForce
integrated Ethernet local area network connection.
- The PC is connected to a Netgear RangeMax ADSL Model Wireless Router
DG834PN via Ethernet cable, RJ45.
- The ADSL broadband connection is provided by Demon. I get up to 6 or 7 MB
downstream.
- I turn the PC on and Windows starts. I log in, and wait for startup
programs to run.
- The LAN connection - and I'm only observing this from the way the
"two-blue-screens" icon loads in the system tray - appears to be established
very late in the start-up cycle. The icon often appears close to last of a
list including Lexmark utilities, Logitech camera tools etc.. I don't know if
this really means anything.
- Windows Live Messenger 8.1 usually tries to sign in (the two blue flashing
torsos) before - it seems to me - the LAN connection is established, and
consequently fails, leading to the "red-cross-over-blue-torso" failure icon.
Again, I don't really know what's going on in the background.

It's not that I desperately need Live Messenger in particular to work OK. As
you've said before, it's probably better to have it turned off. But first,
I'd like to see it start and work like I imagine it's supposed to :-)

Some tools to inpect all of this would be good too ...

Charlie
Click to expand...

OK, tools.

Process Explorer shows you all of the tasks running on the computer, and when
each one starts up (add Start Time, and sort by that metric).
<http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/05/essential-tools-for-desktop-and.html#ProcessExplorer>
http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/05/essential-tools-for-desktop-and.html#ProcessExplorer

TCPView shows you all of the network connections active at any time.
<http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/05/essential-tools-for-desktop-and.html#TCPView>
http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/05/essential-tools-for-desktop-and.html#TCPView

Autoruns shows how each task is started.
<http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/05/essential-tools-for-desktop-and.html#Autoruns>
http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/05/essential-tools-for-desktop-and.html#Autoruns

All are free from SysInternals, a subsidiary of Microsoft.

You need to figure out why your LAN connection takes so long to start up. Maybe
see exactly when the LAN connection icon comes up, then look at Process
Explorer, and see what started up at that time.

I was thinking maybe your ADSL was PPPoE. But surely you wouldn't run a DialUp
Networking / Remote Access client, when you have a router.

--
Cheers,
Chuck, MS-MVP 2005-2007 [Windows - Networking]
http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/
Paranoia is not a problem, when it's a normal response from experience.
My email is AT DOT
actual address pchuck mvps org.
 
Many thanks for the tools, Chuck, and indeed for your website. I will
experiment :-)

Chuck said:
OK, Chuck, I'll try for greater clarity. Here are some details of what I
perceive to be going on.

- I'm running Windows XP Professional, SP2, all the latest updates, critical
and custom.
- The PC is reasonably elderly, a bespoke build from Systemax with AMD
Athlon processor, 2GB RAM, 110 and 250 MB hard drives, Nvidia nForce
integrated Ethernet local area network connection.
- The PC is connected to a Netgear RangeMax ADSL Model Wireless Router
DG834PN via Ethernet cable, RJ45.
- The ADSL broadband connection is provided by Demon. I get up to 6 or 7 MB
downstream.
- I turn the PC on and Windows starts. I log in, and wait for startup
programs to run.
- The LAN connection - and I'm only observing this from the way the
"two-blue-screens" icon loads in the system tray - appears to be established
very late in the start-up cycle. The icon often appears close to last of a
list including Lexmark utilities, Logitech camera tools etc.. I don't know if
this really means anything.
- Windows Live Messenger 8.1 usually tries to sign in (the two blue flashing
torsos) before - it seems to me - the LAN connection is established, and
consequently fails, leading to the "red-cross-over-blue-torso" failure icon.
Again, I don't really know what's going on in the background.

It's not that I desperately need Live Messenger in particular to work OK. As
you've said before, it's probably better to have it turned off. But first,
I'd like to see it start and work like I imagine it's supposed to :-)

Some tools to inpect all of this would be good too ...

Charlie
Click to expand...

OK, tools.

Process Explorer shows you all of the tasks running on the computer, and when
each one starts up (add Start Time, and sort by that metric).
<http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/05/essential-tools-for-desktop-and.html#ProcessExplorer>
http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/05/essential-tools-for-desktop-and.html#ProcessExplorer

TCPView shows you all of the network connections active at any time.
<http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/05/essential-tools-for-desktop-and.html#TCPView>
http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/05/essential-tools-for-desktop-and.html#TCPView

Autoruns shows how each task is started.
<http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/05/essential-tools-for-desktop-and.html#Autoruns>
http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/05/essential-tools-for-desktop-and.html#Autoruns

All are free from SysInternals, a subsidiary of Microsoft.

You need to figure out why your LAN connection takes so long to start up. Maybe
see exactly when the LAN connection icon comes up, then look at Process
Explorer, and see what started up at that time.

I was thinking maybe your ADSL was PPPoE. But surely you wouldn't run a DialUp
Networking / Remote Access client, when you have a router.

--
Cheers,
Chuck, MS-MVP 2005-2007 [Windows - Networking]
http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/
Paranoia is not a problem, when it's a normal response from experience.
My email is AT DOT
actual address pchuck mvps org.
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