F
Frank
You start by presuming I work for you or are your errand boy and by
challenging the validity of something you know absolutely nothing at all
about…me and my company.
And you still haven't stopped.
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You start with:
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"Please tell us all how that has made everyone more productive. I would
really like to know.
"Wow" doesn't factor into productivity, and most likely lowers it as the
users spend too much time messing with settings trying to do something
new. Even when they finally finish screwing around with everything,
they go back to reading and writing email, working in documents and
spreadsheets, doing research on the internet and possibly database work.
I'm eager to await the stats that the company put together in figuring
out how Vista was going to increase productivity versus ROI."
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I answer you with:
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"This was a planned move. We've been using Vista in parallel with XP
since December '06. It is a move to the future as XP is being fazed out.
Only thur general daily production use could we determine the
effectiveness of Vista and any problems we might encounter using it.
Everyone is now up to speed and production has not suffered at all as
compared to XP.
You have a misconception that our moving to Vista was only feasible if
there was some absolute, immediate gain. That's not how we perceived the
process.
Our move also has to do with our volume license.
It was very beneficial, in more ways than one, for us to migrate to Vista.
We are very happy with the outcome!"
Frank
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You didn’t like my real, truthful answer at all! Now you're pissed cause
I didn’t run & fetch for you so you start you’re uncalled for “taunts &
assumptions (lies)” that have never ended. At this point I know I'm
dealing with an unstable person who has some deep personal problems and
I'm your target to use for you to work them out on.
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"Oh, I see, no real productivity gains, just spending lots of money to
do the same thing, because XP is being "phased out".
And just how was it "beneficial", if it wasn't in productivity?
All righty then, want to buy some land in Kansas?
Oh, I see. Vista just poofed itself onto all the workstations with no
human intervention. Now THAT is "Wow".
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Now I'm sure I'm dealing with a hot headed bully whose use to getting
his own way at any cost!
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Richard stated that because you had a volume license there wasn't any
cost involved. And my reply was a snide way of stating otherwise. You
verified my comments.
If you're happy for spending a lot of money for no productivity gains,
no ROI and no beneficial gains, I'm happy for you...
More taunts and threats:
Requiring the stats I asked for isn't asking too much to prove a point.
If he can't, then yes, I would say he would be wrong.
Governments? The one's I've read about aren't planning to "move
forward" any time soon. The "stats" I was asking for was how the
company came to the logical decision that "moving forward" to Vista was;
1. Beneficial
2. Cost effective
3. Productivity increase
4. ANY ROI
It doesn't matter what your company does. It's just that someone
boasting they've moved to Vista is only that, a boast. Nothing has been
gained by it. By the time XP is on it's way out, it will be a
completely different story. But making a corporate jump now isn't a
wise move IMO, and that opinion appears to be inline with the largest
corporations around the globe.
But if you're happy, that's all that matters I guess, isn't it.
We usually don't look to MS when asking about upgrades, as they will
give us EVERY reason TO upgrade. As time goes on and companies start
making the move to upgrade, they're usually very willing to give their
reasons for it (benefits to users, how it will increase productivity,
etc.) There's nothing confidential about info like that. It's just
sharing how and why the move made sense to them.
I know almost all of the owners or officers to the companies we service,
and they're always more than willing to let us share info to other
companies, since none of them are competing against each other.
I think most companies feel the way you do (and I do also). They just
want it to work, work consistently, and not have to mess with it for 5
to 7 years.
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More lies and angry frustration from you:
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Richard,
Where do you find ANYWHERE that I sound upset? Please quote it! As a
consultant, I am always wanting to know how these decisions come about,
especially in a corporate environment.
If Frank could have provided ANY reasons for the decision, it would have
been something I would have used to bring to my clients. But I can see
it only became a boast, and that is something that won't pull any weight
with me nor my clients.
And you can see how Frank responded to your "no cost" statement, which
was nothing further from the truth.
Again you seem to think I work for you:
No, not if something goes wrong, they'll get blamed. That's a lame
excuse. Other than personal gratification (and boasting), there isn't
any reason to expend the costs, man hours, etc. of moving to this new
OS. I can't give anyone one good reason to change. They would think I
would just be trying to drum up work. We're not talking Win9x to XP
here (as most of my clients skipped W2K).
And most CEO's I know, rely on their "back room boys" to come to the
right decisions. The ones that think they know it all are probably the
ones moving to Vista right now, and wasting resources that could be used
to increase company income & profits. But since you deal with
governments, that's probably not an issue.
We've had a construction company since 1978, a property management
company since 1994 and a consulting company since 1994, so I'm quite
familiar with decision making, especially in the computer area, so I'm
not just an "IMO" person.
I hope Vista is all you thought it would be. But there still isn't
anything to boast about, because you can't do anything the XP users
can't do, and most likely less, for now.
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Now you’re really angry that I’m not complying with your demands for
information. Next, you think you're paying me for the info, as if I work
for you, and I'm not producing it for you! What a joke!
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So, I'm still not getting any answers. I had a simple list I asked for
and you ignored it. It was NOT company specific, but a logical list
that any CEO, owner, or decision maker would want when making decisions
on changing over to a new OS. You're trying to say that because your
company is SO different, you stand apart? Sorry, the same questions
could be used for any company.
And you could demand all you want for your "case studies", but it sounds
like you just made a sweeping decision regardless if there wasn't any
valid reasons to do it. Without answering any of my questions Frank,
you just wanted to boast about being on Vista. Big deal. I'm not
impressed. And I'm glad my clients aren't as haphazard as you appear to
be.
I WILL do what I want, by continuing to research and see if any of my
clients have a real need for an upgraded OS. As part of that, I tried
to ask you, but apparently you don't have any reasons except to gloat.
So I'm convinced there isn't any reason to upgrade an OS with the minor
changes that MS implemented into Vista. If you've got some concrete
reasons, with data to support it, great. Otherwise you're just a
company who moved to Vista for no reason at all, except that you have
something to brag about. That's "Wow" for YOU, no one else.
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Now you’re really pissed off and demanding I come up with the info for you:
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Sorry, but that's all the Wow you've provided, so it's really more "is
that all YOU can do?" You've not given ONE valid point on why your
company made the move to Vista. Just that you did it. No points, no Wow.
Now you're going way off about me wanting your "data". Maybe you should
go back and see what I asked for. Nothing personal. Just general
company info regarding HOW they (the company) came to the decisions that
necessitated the move to Vista, that anyone would offer IF they had it.
But you're in the defend mode now, so it's pointless to continue, and
it sounds like the decision was yours alone.
Hate mail at that fake address? Have to hide from everything, don't
you. Funny you have to move to Vista, but use an email client that's a
year outdated.
Trust me, I don't have any "Vista hatred". That's a typical comment
coming from someone trying to defend themselves. Moving clients to an
upgraded OS would mean nothing but increased revenue on our end. But I
don't push them into it just so we can make more money. You see, I care
about our clients and don't want them "blaming" (as you put it) us on
recommending something that isn't needed. Many companies do that, and
we're not one of them.
Thanks for boasting about your move to Vista without giving any reasons
behind the move and why it was necessary to be "XP no more". You didn't
have software that wouldn't run on XP, and you never mentioned hardware.
So it appears this was nothing more than a fanboy thread and I've
wasted my time thinking you would be able to give me some valid points
for the move as a businessman.
Frank moved his company to Vista...Wow
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More taunts and lies:
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If you are a civil human being, and Frank was also, an answer to a
question would be in order. But if he's not, I don't expect one.
You on the other hand, have added nothing, made incorrect statements
("it cost him nothing" to move to Vista), and don't have any say so in
"End of story".
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More anger and frustration from you:
---------------------------------------------------------------
Possibly. It seems if the "company" really had a plan in place to "move
forward", it would be documented and Frank would be willing to share it.
But since Frank can't give any reasons for the move, it would appear
to have been done on a whim, not a thought out plan.
I have some attorney friends that always want to be on the "cutting
edge". They go out and buy whatever is new so they can boast about it.
They know better than to call me now that they've jumped (not moved)
into Vista. At least they took my advice and backed up their drives
before the change, because it sounds like a couple of them are heading
back to XP, their patience running a little too thin.
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This crap from you goes on for what seems like ad nauseam!
You're not a real IT. You’re a disgrace to that Profession (if you are
one) and you're certainly no business man. You come across as a
conniving, MS bashing, linux loser troll. You're just like a little
spoiled bully of a brat who really gets angry and frustrated and lashes
out with venom when you don't get your own way.
I'm proud to have accomplished what I and my hard working associates
have been focused on for months...bringing Vista into full online
working production in our Company.
In the end, we did it!
Frank
challenging the validity of something you know absolutely nothing at all
about…me and my company.
And you still haven't stopped.
-----------------------------------------------------------------------
You start with:
-------------------------------------------------------------------
"Please tell us all how that has made everyone more productive. I would
really like to know.
"Wow" doesn't factor into productivity, and most likely lowers it as the
users spend too much time messing with settings trying to do something
new. Even when they finally finish screwing around with everything,
they go back to reading and writing email, working in documents and
spreadsheets, doing research on the internet and possibly database work.
I'm eager to await the stats that the company put together in figuring
out how Vista was going to increase productivity versus ROI."
-------------------------------------------------------------------
I answer you with:
--------------------------------------------------------------------
"This was a planned move. We've been using Vista in parallel with XP
since December '06. It is a move to the future as XP is being fazed out.
Only thur general daily production use could we determine the
effectiveness of Vista and any problems we might encounter using it.
Everyone is now up to speed and production has not suffered at all as
compared to XP.
You have a misconception that our moving to Vista was only feasible if
there was some absolute, immediate gain. That's not how we perceived the
process.
Our move also has to do with our volume license.
It was very beneficial, in more ways than one, for us to migrate to Vista.
We are very happy with the outcome!"
Frank
-----------------------------------------------------------------------
You didn’t like my real, truthful answer at all! Now you're pissed cause
I didn’t run & fetch for you so you start you’re uncalled for “taunts &
assumptions (lies)” that have never ended. At this point I know I'm
dealing with an unstable person who has some deep personal problems and
I'm your target to use for you to work them out on.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
"Oh, I see, no real productivity gains, just spending lots of money to
do the same thing, because XP is being "phased out".
And just how was it "beneficial", if it wasn't in productivity?
All righty then, want to buy some land in Kansas?
Oh, I see. Vista just poofed itself onto all the workstations with no
human intervention. Now THAT is "Wow".
--------------------------------------------------
Now I'm sure I'm dealing with a hot headed bully whose use to getting
his own way at any cost!
-----------------------------------------------
Richard stated that because you had a volume license there wasn't any
cost involved. And my reply was a snide way of stating otherwise. You
verified my comments.
If you're happy for spending a lot of money for no productivity gains,
no ROI and no beneficial gains, I'm happy for you...
More taunts and threats:
Requiring the stats I asked for isn't asking too much to prove a point.
If he can't, then yes, I would say he would be wrong.
Governments? The one's I've read about aren't planning to "move
forward" any time soon. The "stats" I was asking for was how the
company came to the logical decision that "moving forward" to Vista was;
1. Beneficial
2. Cost effective
3. Productivity increase
4. ANY ROI
It doesn't matter what your company does. It's just that someone
boasting they've moved to Vista is only that, a boast. Nothing has been
gained by it. By the time XP is on it's way out, it will be a
completely different story. But making a corporate jump now isn't a
wise move IMO, and that opinion appears to be inline with the largest
corporations around the globe.
But if you're happy, that's all that matters I guess, isn't it.
We usually don't look to MS when asking about upgrades, as they will
give us EVERY reason TO upgrade. As time goes on and companies start
making the move to upgrade, they're usually very willing to give their
reasons for it (benefits to users, how it will increase productivity,
etc.) There's nothing confidential about info like that. It's just
sharing how and why the move made sense to them.
I know almost all of the owners or officers to the companies we service,
and they're always more than willing to let us share info to other
companies, since none of them are competing against each other.
I think most companies feel the way you do (and I do also). They just
want it to work, work consistently, and not have to mess with it for 5
to 7 years.
-------------------------------------------------------------------
More lies and angry frustration from you:
-------------------------------------------------------------------
Richard,
Where do you find ANYWHERE that I sound upset? Please quote it! As a
consultant, I am always wanting to know how these decisions come about,
especially in a corporate environment.
If Frank could have provided ANY reasons for the decision, it would have
been something I would have used to bring to my clients. But I can see
it only became a boast, and that is something that won't pull any weight
with me nor my clients.
And you can see how Frank responded to your "no cost" statement, which
was nothing further from the truth.
Again you seem to think I work for you:
No, not if something goes wrong, they'll get blamed. That's a lame
excuse. Other than personal gratification (and boasting), there isn't
any reason to expend the costs, man hours, etc. of moving to this new
OS. I can't give anyone one good reason to change. They would think I
would just be trying to drum up work. We're not talking Win9x to XP
here (as most of my clients skipped W2K).
And most CEO's I know, rely on their "back room boys" to come to the
right decisions. The ones that think they know it all are probably the
ones moving to Vista right now, and wasting resources that could be used
to increase company income & profits. But since you deal with
governments, that's probably not an issue.
We've had a construction company since 1978, a property management
company since 1994 and a consulting company since 1994, so I'm quite
familiar with decision making, especially in the computer area, so I'm
not just an "IMO" person.
I hope Vista is all you thought it would be. But there still isn't
anything to boast about, because you can't do anything the XP users
can't do, and most likely less, for now.
---------------------------------------------------------------------
Now you’re really angry that I’m not complying with your demands for
information. Next, you think you're paying me for the info, as if I work
for you, and I'm not producing it for you! What a joke!
---------------------------------------------------------------------
So, I'm still not getting any answers. I had a simple list I asked for
and you ignored it. It was NOT company specific, but a logical list
that any CEO, owner, or decision maker would want when making decisions
on changing over to a new OS. You're trying to say that because your
company is SO different, you stand apart? Sorry, the same questions
could be used for any company.
And you could demand all you want for your "case studies", but it sounds
like you just made a sweeping decision regardless if there wasn't any
valid reasons to do it. Without answering any of my questions Frank,
you just wanted to boast about being on Vista. Big deal. I'm not
impressed. And I'm glad my clients aren't as haphazard as you appear to
be.
I WILL do what I want, by continuing to research and see if any of my
clients have a real need for an upgraded OS. As part of that, I tried
to ask you, but apparently you don't have any reasons except to gloat.
So I'm convinced there isn't any reason to upgrade an OS with the minor
changes that MS implemented into Vista. If you've got some concrete
reasons, with data to support it, great. Otherwise you're just a
company who moved to Vista for no reason at all, except that you have
something to brag about. That's "Wow" for YOU, no one else.
-----------------------------------------------------------------------
Now you’re really pissed off and demanding I come up with the info for you:
--------------------------------------------------------------------------
Sorry, but that's all the Wow you've provided, so it's really more "is
that all YOU can do?" You've not given ONE valid point on why your
company made the move to Vista. Just that you did it. No points, no Wow.
Now you're going way off about me wanting your "data". Maybe you should
go back and see what I asked for. Nothing personal. Just general
company info regarding HOW they (the company) came to the decisions that
necessitated the move to Vista, that anyone would offer IF they had it.
But you're in the defend mode now, so it's pointless to continue, and
it sounds like the decision was yours alone.
Hate mail at that fake address? Have to hide from everything, don't
you. Funny you have to move to Vista, but use an email client that's a
year outdated.
Trust me, I don't have any "Vista hatred". That's a typical comment
coming from someone trying to defend themselves. Moving clients to an
upgraded OS would mean nothing but increased revenue on our end. But I
don't push them into it just so we can make more money. You see, I care
about our clients and don't want them "blaming" (as you put it) us on
recommending something that isn't needed. Many companies do that, and
we're not one of them.
Thanks for boasting about your move to Vista without giving any reasons
behind the move and why it was necessary to be "XP no more". You didn't
have software that wouldn't run on XP, and you never mentioned hardware.
So it appears this was nothing more than a fanboy thread and I've
wasted my time thinking you would be able to give me some valid points
for the move as a businessman.
Frank moved his company to Vista...Wow
-----------------------------------------------------
More taunts and lies:
-----------------------------------------------------
If you are a civil human being, and Frank was also, an answer to a
question would be in order. But if he's not, I don't expect one.
You on the other hand, have added nothing, made incorrect statements
("it cost him nothing" to move to Vista), and don't have any say so in
"End of story".
---------------------------------------------------------------
More anger and frustration from you:
---------------------------------------------------------------
Possibly. It seems if the "company" really had a plan in place to "move
forward", it would be documented and Frank would be willing to share it.
But since Frank can't give any reasons for the move, it would appear
to have been done on a whim, not a thought out plan.
I have some attorney friends that always want to be on the "cutting
edge". They go out and buy whatever is new so they can boast about it.
They know better than to call me now that they've jumped (not moved)
into Vista. At least they took my advice and backed up their drives
before the change, because it sounds like a couple of them are heading
back to XP, their patience running a little too thin.
--------------------------------------------------------------------
This crap from you goes on for what seems like ad nauseam!
You're not a real IT. You’re a disgrace to that Profession (if you are
one) and you're certainly no business man. You come across as a
conniving, MS bashing, linux loser troll. You're just like a little
spoiled bully of a brat who really gets angry and frustrated and lashes
out with venom when you don't get your own way.
I'm proud to have accomplished what I and my hard working associates
have been focused on for months...bringing Vista into full online
working production in our Company.
In the end, we did it!
Frank
