For Everyone having Networking problems with XP

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This should help all you people trying to network your XP
and 2000 systems. I have been fighting with this for over
a week and just got it working this morning.

XP doesn't support NetBEUI anymore and it is required for
workgroup networking. Go to this site for a fantastic
explanation of how to correct your networking problems.
You will also be able to map drives along with all the
sharing features.

http://www.wown.com/j_helmig/winxpnet.htm

The only issue it doesn't address is selecting the
appropriate network adapter to use. When you create the
bridge, all adapters are selected. Make sure you uncheck
the ones you don't want to use. If you have only one, you
are fine.

Then, you will need to install the NetBEUI protocol on
each machine just as you did for XP, but the 2000 systems
already have it available in the Windows system
directory. You will find the XP CD won't work on the 2000
system.

Good Luck!
 
Hi Scott,

Let me correct some misconceptions here:

1, NetBeui is NOT required for workgroup networking, Workgroup networking
can be easily set up using TCP/IP.

2. NetBeui is available on the XP CD, but it is no longer supported by
Microsoft. I've linked a couple of articles for reference here:

301041 HOW TO: Install NetBEUI on Windows XP
http://support.microsoft.com/?id=301041

306059 The NetBEUI Protocol Is Not Available in Windows XP
http://support.microsoft.com/?id=306059

3. If you are trying to set up a small network with XP Home, there is a
series of KB articles that walk through the process. Here is a link to the
first of the series:

813936 How to Set Up a Small Network with Windows XP Home Edition (PART 1)
http://support.microsoft.com/?id=813936

The rest of the series is linked in Part 1.

Hope this helps!


Thanks,
Marc Reynolds
Microsoft Technical Support
 
This information is for XP Pro networking with 2000. All
I can say is that when I implemented the NetBEUI
protocol, the networking I didn't have before, no matter
what I did, was now available.

That also tells you NetBEUI is available on the XP CD and
is required to network with systems other than XP. Yes,
Microsoft doesn't support NetBEUI any longer, but we all
know why. They want you to upgrade all of your systems to
XP.

You seem to be referencing XP Home Edition. I would never
own that version because I rely on the networking
capabilities for my career. Why do you think the NetBEUI
protocol is available for installation, even though they
don't support it anymore?
 
Also, why is it we see your reply to this particular
message rather than answering the questions regarding the
networking problems we all have been experiencing?

You have designated yourself as a Microsoft
representative yet you reply to the answer rather than
the questions, why?
 
I am sure everyone will be happy you put the reply back
in place. Too many of us are aware of your tactics and
looking to Linux as a solution to the aggravation. Let us
do what we can to deal with you without having to pay $99
for support.
 
Mr. MVP,

If you have the answers, tell us what they are and stop
sending us on another goose chase through your BS. We
purchased your product in good faith, yet we continue to
have problems dealing with you and your products, all
through the years.

Once again, I have to say you are addressing an answer
and not the questions, why? My guess is you want to
exploit us more than you already have and milk every
dollar you can out of us.
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Also, Mr. MVP,

I did enable NetBIOS over TCP/IP and disabled ICF to no
successful result. Nothing changed until I installed
NetBEUI on both machines, after researching a bunch of
different websites claiming answers to the problem you
wouldn't answer.

You didn't speak up until an answer was found, why?

This makes me suspicious and serves only to confirm my
doubt about Microsoft and your integrity.

Keep talking and Linux will be next because I am getting
very tired of your rhetoric.
-----Original Message-----
Once again, I have to ask you guys why you reply to an
answer rather than the questions?

It is already a support nightmare that resembles a ploy
for the $99 fee.

Make this easy to find, or, part of the FAQ for XP.
Better yet, send it to all registered users of the system
so they can get over your neglect and stop wasting their
own time and money to find the answers.

You say you guys don't ship software with known problems.
Who are you kidding? Windows 2000 shipped with more than
60,000 bugs in it. What was ME other than an interim
product for additional cash while XP was being developed
and why was it such a flop, if it wasn't what I say? What
is XP Home, if not a ploy? It could just as well have
been the Pro version, but you wanted something more to
sell.

Get over yourselves and start getting real with your
consumers! We aren't out here to mess with you. Why mess
with us? Be professional in what you do and stop
exploiting all of us!
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"Scott" said:
Once again, I have to ask you guys why you reply to an
answer rather than the questions?

It is already a support nightmare that resembles a ploy
for the $99 fee.

Make this easy to find, or, part of the FAQ for XP.
Better yet, send it to all registered users of the system
so they can get over your neglect and stop wasting their
own time and money to find the answers.

You say you guys don't ship software with known problems.
Who are you kidding? Windows 2000 shipped with more than
60,000 bugs in it. What was ME other than an interim
product for additional cash while XP was being developed
and why was it such a flop, if it wasn't what I say? What
is XP Home, if not a ploy? It could just as well have
been the Pro version, but you wanted something more to
sell.

Get over yourselves and start getting real with your
consumers! We aren't out here to mess with you. Why mess
with us? Be professional in what you do and stop
exploiting all of us!
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Let's get some things straight, Scott:

1. How can you say that I "reply to an answer rather than the
questions?". I reply to hundreds of questions each week in this news
group, as you can easily see. I also reply to some answers when I
believe, based on several years' experience in Windows networking and
professional consulting, that the answers are incomplete or incorrect.

2. I'm not a Microsoft employee. I don't speak for Microsoft. I
can't explain what they do, and I can't change what they do. I don't
like everything that they do.

3. I didn't say that Microsoft doesn't ship software with known
problems. I said that Microsoft wouldn't knowingly drop support for
an essential networking feature. Do you see the difference?

I'm always happy to discuss technical questions, problems, and
solutions.
--
Best Wishes,
Steve Winograd, MS-MVP (Windows Networking)

Please post any reply as a follow-up message in the news group
for everyone to see. I'm sorry, but I don't answer questions
addressed directly to me in E-mail or news groups.

Microsoft Most Valuable Professional Program
http://mvp.support.microsoft.com
 
"Scott" said:
Also, Mr. MVP,

I did enable NetBIOS over TCP/IP and disabled ICF to no
successful result. Nothing changed until I installed
NetBEUI on both machines, after researching a bunch of
different websites claiming answers to the problem you
wouldn't answer.

You didn't speak up until an answer was found, why?

This makes me suspicious and serves only to confirm my
doubt about Microsoft and your integrity.

Keep talking and Linux will be next because I am getting
very tired of your rhetoric.
Click to expand...

I'm sorry, Scott, but I must have missed your earlier questions.
There are thousands of messages in this news group, and I'm not able
to look at all of them. I'm only human, and I only have so much time.
--
Best Wishes,
Steve Winograd, MS-MVP (Windows Networking)

Please post any reply as a follow-up message in the news group
for everyone to see. I'm sorry, but I don't answer questions
addressed directly to me in E-mail or news groups.

Microsoft Most Valuable Professional Program
http://mvp.support.microsoft.com
 
Also, Mr. MVP,

I did enable NetBIOS over TCP/IP and disabled ICF to no
successful result. Nothing changed until I installed
NetBEUI on both machines, after researching a bunch of
different websites claiming answers to the problem you
wouldn't answer.

You didn't speak up until an answer was found, why?

This makes me suspicious and serves only to confirm my
doubt about Microsoft and your integrity.

Keep talking and Linux will be next because I am getting
very tired of your rhetoric.
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All right then, Steve:

Answer the questions involved and stop sending me on more
goose chases. You sign your messages as "MS-MVP", what is
that if it is not a Microsoft representative? Is it a
self appointied position in your own world?

Use your communication skills to solve the predominant
issue recurring on this newsgroup page and don't send us
somewhere else to interpret another's means of
communication interpretation. That is what I attempted to
do with my "For Everyone" notice. What is stopping you?
You could have already solved everyone's problems rather
than bickering with me. I didn't see your reply to any of
those questions until I posted my response.

I went to your site and then I went to the one I
recommended because yours was not clear regarding what to
do. Are you a CS person, or, do you have a background in
business? Communication between IT professionals and the
user is our problem today. Can you bridge that gap? I
couldn't see it when I went to your site.
-----Original Message-----
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"Scott" said:
All right then, Steve:

Answer the questions involved and stop sending me on more
goose chases. You sign your messages as "MS-MVP", what is
that if it is not a Microsoft representative? Is it a
self appointied position in your own world?
Click to expand...

I'm sorry, but I have no idea what you mean by "goose chases".

To find out about the MVP program, please click the link that I post
in my signature. MVPs are not Microsoft representatives and have no
duty or obligation to Microsoft. We're volunteers, just like everyone
else in the news group, who Microsoft has recognized for "demonstrated
practical expertise providing the highest quality information and
content."
Use your communication skills to solve the predominant
issue recurring on this newsgroup page and don't send us
somewhere else to interpret another's means of
communication interpretation. That is what I attempted to
do with my "For Everyone" notice. What is stopping you?
You could have already solved everyone's problems rather
than bickering with me. I didn't see your reply to any of
those questions until I posted my response.
Click to expand...

I'm sorry, but I don't know what the "predominant issue" is, I don't
know where you think I'm sending people, and I don't know what
"interpret another's means of communication interpretation" means.
Just who isn't being clear here?

I often post links to XP networking articles that I've written on the
PracticallyNetworked web site. I do that because it isn't practical
to repeatedly post the entire content of those articles in the news
group. I wrote those articles to help people solve their networking
problems.

I'm replying to your questions as fully, truthfully, and politely as I
can.
I went to your site and then I went to the one I recommended
because yours was not clear regarding what to do.
Click to expand...

I'm sorry, but I don't know what site of mine you're referring to. I
apologize if it wasn't clear to you. I do my best. I'm only human.
If you'll tell me what part of it you didn't understand, I'll be happy
to explain it to you.
Are you a CS person, or, do you have a background in
business? Communication between IT professionals and the
user is our problem today. Can you bridge that gap? I
couldn't see it when I went to your site.
Click to expand...

Since you ask, although I don't see why it's relevant:

1. I have Bachelor's and Master's degrees in Computer Science.

2. I have over 25 years' experience as a professional computer
programmer and consultant. For the past 6 years, I've specialized in
Windows networking.

3. I'm reasonably fluent in English and I write in complete sentences.
;-)

I think that this has gone on long enough, Scott. This news group is
about sharing information on Windows XP networking and web access. It
isn't about you or about me. Here are my final words on this:

Based on my years of Windows networking experience, your statement
about NetBEUI being necessary to network with XP is wrong. That's all
I said. You replied by attacking Microsoft and me and questioning my
background.
--
Best Wishes,
Steve Winograd, MS-MVP (Windows Networking)

Please post any reply as a follow-up message in the news group
for everyone to see. I'm sorry, but I don't answer questions
addressed directly to me in E-mail or news groups.

Microsoft Most Valuable Professional Program
http://mvp.support.microsoft.com
 
Hey Scott.

I did not remove your post nor did I put it back in place - I don't have
that ability nor would I do so if I did.

My previous response was to help clear up some misconceptions about XP and
the NetBEUI protocol. The references I provided in my previous post to you
mention XP Home, but the same principles apply to XP Pro. NetBEUI is NOT
required for XP to work with other system UNLESS those "other" systems only
run NetBEUI. Most users are at least using WIndows 95 or later now and
TCP/IP is the network protocol of choice for those systems. NetBEUI is
available on the XP CD because there are a few applications (not Operating
Systems) out there that require NetBEUI.

I post to these newsgroups in my free time off working hours so I don't get
a chance to read every post. I do try to respond to as many post as
possible within the time limitations I have.

Thanks,
Marc Reynolds
Microsoft Technical Support
 
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