Fix a broken CTX 17" CRT?

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Bill Mazlar

I've heard of simple fixes to CRT monitors that involve little more
than identifying a busted capacitor or tweaking a potentiometer (though
most of the labor is probably in disassembly/assembly). I took a
"free" monitor left outside of college library, which gives no video
signal whatsoever when I plug it into my laptop. It makes a low
scratchy-staticy noise whenever it is on...any telltale indications of
the problem with this CRT? How long should I expect to take
disassembling the CRT? Are many specialized tools needed?
 
Bill Mazlar said:
I've heard of simple fixes to CRT monitors that involve little more
than identifying a busted capacitor or tweaking a potentiometer (though
most of the labor is probably in disassembly/assembly). I took a
"free" monitor left outside of college library, which gives no video
signal whatsoever when I plug it into my laptop. It makes a low
scratchy-staticy noise whenever it is on...any telltale indications of
the problem with this CRT? How long should I expect to take
disassembling the CRT? Are many specialized tools needed?

Do not fool with it...
even if unplugged...a monitor can still store very high voltages inside.
There is no sense is risking your life over a monitor that is very likely
*not* going to be an easy fix
anyway.
 
To second the previous poster, the caps in a monitor can store lethal
voltages. Unless you know what you are doing you could do some rotten damage
to yourself. If you do a little research first as to what not to do or get
some assistance then it may be worth the "fun" and trouble for a very small
piece of hardware.
 
Damm...lookes like I lugged it around for about half a mile from the
library to my home for nothin'. Was just hoping of a cheap way to
increase my screen real estate. Guess I'll just use it as a giant
paperweight then. Thanks all.
 
Bill said:
I've heard of simple fixes to CRT monitors that involve little more than
identifying a busted capacitor or tweaking a potentiometer (though most
of the labor is probably in disassembly/assembly). I took a "free"
monitor left outside of college library, which gives no video signal
whatsoever when I plug it into my laptop. It makes a low
scratchy-staticy noise whenever it is on...any telltale indications of
the problem with this CRT? How long should I expect to take
disassembling the CRT? Are many specialized tools needed?
Death awaits you, when you open up a CRT case! You need to discharge the
40,000 volt high voltage capacitor in the CRT tube amplifier circuit.

The tool to do that costs abut $20.00. If you don't discharge the
capacitor, you risk DEATH!

Also, the capacitor charges itself over time, so any that might have
been properly discharged on the work bench, and are there awaiting
parts, can often build up a huge killer charge overnight.

Most of us in the repair business cannot fix a CRT monitor for less than
about $50.00 in parts, and shop time, and I see new 17" monitors on sale
every week, for $69,95. Check the Sunday newspaper sales flyers.

Yes, in the Air Force, we were appraised of many deaths from capacitors
discharging. I personally knew some fine fellows who have died from
electricution. Please do not join their ranks!
 
Bill Mazlar said:
I've heard of simple fixes to CRT monitors that involve
little more than identifying a busted capacitor or tweaking
a potentiometer (though most of the labor is probably in
disassembly/assembly). I took a "free" monitor left outside
of college library, which gives no video signal whatsoever
when I plug it into my laptop. It makes a low scratchy-staticy
noise whenever it is on...any telltale indications of the
problem with this CRT?

I assume you know something about basic electronics, i.e., know how to
use a volt-ohm meter, are good at soldering, and have common sense
about safety.

One of the best starting places for information is www.repairfaq.org
or a book about TV repair. Never open a monitor without first
unplugging its AC power and letting it sit for at least 30 minutes,
and as long as you take this precaution, risk of electric shock is
small,the chances of electrical shock are small, unless you remove the
thick cable going to the side of the CRT (suction cup cover). Almost
all capacitors discharge in less than a minute, but the CRT can retain
a high voltage charge indefinitely. Actually the most common risk
from shock is that it causes you to jerk your hand, either voluntarily
or involuntarily, and hit something, possibly cutting your hand or,
much worse, hitting the glass CRT and causing it to explode. Glass
breakage is an overlooked hazard and can also occur when the monitor
tips forward (its center of gravity is at the front).

Do-it-yourself repair is cheap unless an expensive component, like the
CRT, flyback, or an odd chip, is defective, but fortunately 90% of
monitor problems are either:

1. Bad solder joints -- a magnifying glass and strong light is needed
to find hairline cracks, but don't ignore joints that look odd,
especially spherical (not sticking). If you don't see any defects,
solder the joints of the large, heavy components, connectors,
potentiometers, and the hot devices (circuit board is often darkened
around them).

2. Main power supply. This is a switching mode supply that takes AC
and powers everything inside the monitor. You can find it by
following the AC connections.

3. Horizontal output circuit. This not only helps draw the picture on
the screen but also generates several voltages, including the 25,000V
used by the picture tube. It uses a large transistor (HOT -
horizontal output transistor, perhaps the largest in the monitor and
on the largest heatsink) to drive the flyback transformer (large
plastic device with that thick CRT cable mentioned earlier).

4. Electrolytic capacitors (cylinders covered in plastic with writing
on it).]

Since the monitor shows some activity, the main power supply may be OK
-- or not. First look for burn marks and electrolytic capacitors that
are bulging or leaking brown or white goo or powder (don't confuse goo
with glue used to hold bigger capacitors in place). But capacitors
can be bad yet look perfectly normal, and the only fairly sure ways to
find defective ones are by either using an ESR meter (this is not an
ordinary capacitance meter) or substituting new capacitors. Since the
latter costs about as much as an ESR meter, it's reasonable to simply
replace every capacitor surrounding the flyback transformer or in the
main power supply circuit, especially those rated 100V or higher.
Replacement capacitors must be rated for at least as much voltage and
temperature as the originals and should be within 20% of the original
capacitance. The capacitors should also be rated for high frequency
operation, except the very large one near the AC input, which operates
at low frequency and is usually rated for just 85 degrees Celcius.

You should also check the HOT and any other discrete transistors for
shorts. These components often operate at high frequency and may be
insulated from their heatsinks to prevent shorts, and replacement
parts must be similarly and adequately insulated (packaging differs
and can require different insulation, such as an extra nylon shoulder
washer). Try to get exact replacements and avoid NTE general-purpose
parts because some are completely wrong (counterfeit?), and they cost
more than the better parts anyway. But their web site,
www.nteinc.com, can be useful for finding information about
components, including pin-outs.

The best single source of parts may be www.bdent.com because they
carry not only a large number of transistors and chips but also
high-frequency capacitors. www.mcmelectronics.com (www.mcminone.com)
carries transistors and chips, but their capacitor selection is
lacking. www.mouser.com and www.digikey.com have good capacitors.

When you remove a circuit board to gain access, keep track of all the
cable connections that you may have to remove, and if you can't remove
it completely because of cables to the picture tube, put some padding
between it and the CRT to prevent scratching the glass. You may have
to unplug the small circuit board from the rear of the CRT, but it's
often glued in place, and cutting the glue can scratch the glass, so
be very, very careful. Don't force anything.

Don't turn any adjustment pots since some require taking measurements
with the power on, and some interact, meaning that turning just one
pot can require readjusting several others.
 
patrick said:
Death awaits you, when you open up a CRT case! You need to discharge the
40,000 volt high voltage capacitor in the CRT tube amplifier circuit.

The tool to do that costs abut $20.00. If you don't discharge the
capacitor, you risk DEATH!

A "tool" is an insulated probe, a 5 cent resistor and a clip to ground
it! About 25 cents total.

The highest voltage in a CRT monitor is ~25,000V. Any higher would
subject you to X-rays which are far more lethal.
Also, the capacitor charges itself over time, so any that might have
been properly discharged on the work bench, and are there awaiting
parts, can often build up a huge killer charge overnight.

These are known as the "free power gremlins".
Most of us in the repair business cannot fix a CRT monitor for less than
about $50.00 in parts, and shop time, and I see new 17" monitors on sale
every week, for $69,95. Check the Sunday newspaper sales flyers.

Are you really in the repair business, or are you just drumming up trade?
Yes, in the Air Force, we were appraised of many deaths from capacitors
discharging. I personally knew some fine fellows who have died from
electricution. Please do not join their ranks!

Do not cross the street without your guardian. Many fine fellows have
died that way!

do_not_ spam_me had some good suggestions. Do take reasonable
precautions, but don't believe "old maid" tales either. ;-)

Virg Wall
 
Is it safe to remove the suction cup connection thats on the side of
the CRT? I'd like to save the flyback but am paranoid of imploding
the CRT. I did that with an old monitor once in a hole in the ground
and do not want it to happen when Im near it. Or would it just be
better to cut the cable going to the CRT? And what about the electron
guns inside? I know I can't open the CRT in any way, but would they
survive if it imploded?
 
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Is it safe to remove the suction cup connection thats on the side of
the CRT? I'd like to save the flyback but am paranoid of imploding
the CRT. I did that with an old monitor once in a hole in the ground
and do not want it to happen when Im near it. Or would it just be
better to cut the cable going to the CRT? And what about the electron
guns inside? I know I can't open the CRT in any way, but would they
survive if it imploded?

The rubber cover (suction cup) covers the high-voltage connection to the
inside coating of the CRT.

This connector can supply tens of thousands of volts; some designs and CRTs
can require up to 40,000 volts at that connection.

The design of the CRT's high-voltage surface also causes it to store a
charge after the monitor (or television) is powered down.

If you look at the bell of the CRT you should see a band of wire or some
other conductive material encircling the CRT. This conductor will be
connected to the monitor's electrical ground from at least one point along
its length, and sometimes from two or three points.

Following power-off this is designed to 'bleed' the stored charge from the
CRT to the electrical ground.

Without knowing the state of discharge of the CRT you could expose yourself
to a lethal discharge if you accidentally come in contact with the
connector normally concealed by the rubber cover.

Even if the shock doen't harm you, and you are carrying or holding the CRT
at the time of the shock, your muscle(s) will contract and you'll likely
drop the CRT. Glass flying from an implosion can cause severe injury.

The electron guns might survive an implosion but they'd never be useful in a
functioning CRT. You might use them for study or just as items of
interest.

I'm aware that I'm not offering a single one- or two-word answer but
handling CRTs and other high-voltage elctronic equipment is dangerous.

If you have a friend or acquaintance, local electronics repair shop, or
someone else who is knowledgeable and qualified to do this kind of work,
see if they might help out in this case.

They can show you the proper methods of handling the unit and the proper
methods of observing electrical safety.

- --
Ron n1zhi
(e-mail address removed)
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Why would you want to remove the anode cap (suction cup)? The flyback would
only be good in another monitor if the same model, or one with the same high
voltage and scan design.

If you cut the anode wire, you may as well scrap the flyback, because a wire
that carries about 30 kV is not something that is easy to splice without the
proper splicing materials and skills.

You can remove the suction cup. You must first discharge the anode of the
CRT, using a thin screwdriver that is grounded with a clip lead to the metal
shield of the CRT. You would carefully slide the blade of the screwdriver
under the cap to touch the centre conductor for a few seconds. The tube will
stay discharged for about 10 minutes. It may however, build up some charge
back up again from its internal dielectric effect.

When grounding the CRT anode cap, make very sure that the screwdriver blade
is properly grounded. If not, and the CRT is charged, you will definitely
know about it. You may know about it in a very shocking fashion! The shock
from this can feel like you have been kicked by a donkey. Some people have
been injured, and or simply passed out for a while.

After it is discharged, lift the rubber cap to expose the clip on the
underside, and look how it is mechanically inserted so that you can use the
appropriate pressure on it to release it. Some of them are a simple type of
2 way spring mechanism that grips in to the edges of the anode contact. A
bit of sideways pressure on the contact in the right direction should
release it.

To break a CRT, it will take a fair amount of force. Removing an anode cap
will not break the CRT, unless there is a flaw in the glass, or it receives
a hit of enough force. Many techs will wear protection eyewear, and heavy
clothing when working with CRT's.

If in the event a CRT implodes, this can be very dangerous. I have seen this
happen inside of a TV cabinet. There were chunks of glass embedded in to the
inside of the cabinet.

I was working in a place where we were replacing CRT's in monitors and TV's.
We used to put the old ones in a heavy cardboard box, and take them out to
the crusher. When they were crushed, they would make a booming sound that
was so strong, we sometimes used to feel the pressure from it. We were about
20 feet from the crusher.

I read about many people that do some electronics as a hobby, who are trying
to service their own TV's and monitors at home. Servicing TV sets is not a
very safe thing for a hobbyist to perform, or to learn electronics from.
There are well regulated high voltages used in the various circuits in these
monitors. Taking a shock from these areas can be dangerous. The people who
service these monitors go on the proper training courses. The professional
service people make the investment in to the proper tools and instruments to
diagnose the faults in these monitors. To perform many of the repairs, the
service tech must sometimes invest in the service manuals.

This is why I tell people that it is not worth the risk to try to save a few
dollars in servicing your own monitor or TV set. TV equipment is almost as
dangerous as your microwave oven when it comes to the power factors
employed. If you consider all the aspects of the TV set or monitor, I
personally rate it to be in the safety hazard area of the microwave oven
when the back cover is removed.


--

Jerry G.
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Is it safe to remove the suction cup connection thats on the side of
the CRT? I'd like to save the flyback but am paranoid of imploding
the CRT. I did that with an old monitor once in a hole in the ground
and do not want it to happen when Im near it. Or would it just be
better to cut the cable going to the CRT? And what about the electron
guns inside? I know I can't open the CRT in any way, but would they
survive if it imploded?
 
There are LETHAL (Deadly) voltages inside a CRT monitor long after it has
last been unplugged, due to the large capacitors inside.
Do NOT mess with the insides unless you ABSOLUTELY know what you are doing.
 
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