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Danny

Or should that be lack of.

I'm pretty amazed at the almost universal incompatibility of all the
mainstream firewalls for Vista.

Put simply I'm not using the inbuilt one, and right now I have absolutely no
protection bar my NAT. Which doesn't stop outgoing leakage etc.

It's like MS are trying to force me into the corner and use their own
software. Sorry, but I want to use Kerio or Zonealarm.

Will such software ever work on this OS?

As an aside, any chance of NOD32 being compatible either?

Cheers.
 
Danny said:
Or should that be lack of.

I'm pretty amazed at the almost universal incompatibility of all the
mainstream firewalls for Vista.

Put simply I'm not using the inbuilt one, and right now I have absolutely
no protection bar my NAT. Which doesn't stop outgoing leakage etc.

It's like MS are trying to force me into the corner and use their own
software. Sorry, but I want to use Kerio or Zonealarm.

Will such software ever work on this OS?

As an aside, any chance of NOD32 being compatible either?
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This is not the fault of MS. It is the fault of software manufacturers who
are slow in releasing them - thats if they are not released already. :-)
 
In message <[email protected]> "Danny"
Or should that be lack of.

I'm pretty amazed at the almost universal incompatibility of all the
mainstream firewalls for Vista.
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Why? Brand new OS, greatly improved network stack. Applications that
interface in any way other then via the basic APIs likely will need
tweaking.
Put simply I'm not using the inbuilt one, and right now I have absolutely no
protection bar my NAT. Which doesn't stop outgoing leakage etc.
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If you need more protection then NAT, you're doing something horribly
wrong.
It's like MS are trying to force me into the corner and use their own
software. Sorry, but I want to use Kerio or Zonealarm.
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Then use it. Or since you can't because it doesn't work, complain to
Kerio, ZoneAlarm, or downgrade to XP.
Will such software ever work on this OS?
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Most of them barely manage to function on XP, I wouldn't expect more out
of the same vendors in Vista.
As an aside, any chance of NOD32 being compatible either?
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Again, if they update their software, probably.
 
Beck said:
This is not the fault of MS. It is the fault of software manufacturers
who are slow in releasing them - thats if they are not released already.
:-)
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From what I understand, MS have fundamentally altered the kernel of Windows
with Vista, meaning that for third party companies, producing software such
as firewalls is much harder than it used to be because they literally have
to 'hack' the OS itself.

I might be wrong, but I seem to be getting the impression MS are simply
making it damn hard for companies to produce software for Vista.
 
All third party AV and Firewall apps require a new release for Vista. The
ISV's have long known this.
 
DevilsPGD said:
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Why? Brand new OS, greatly improved network stack. Applications that
interface in any way other then via the basic APIs likely will need
tweaking.
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True, I'm not denying this, but for crying out loud they've had well over a
year to work with the BETAs and RC's.
If you need more protection then NAT, you're doing something horribly
wrong.
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Not really, you know as well as I do that NAT doesn't stop applications
going out the way.
Which, as I say, is one of the things I need.
Then use it. Or since you can't because it doesn't work, complain to
Kerio, ZoneAlarm, or downgrade to XP.
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So you don't believe MS are at fault in this in any way?
Most of them barely manage to function on XP, I wouldn't expect more out
of the same vendors in Vista.
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Bada bum boom, t'sh.
Again, if they update their software, probably.
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Apparently, they have.

As an aside, I found a 3rd party firewall in the end which does what I need
it to do.
 
I don't see how anyone can fault Microsoft for hardening their product.
After all, it is in response to all the criticisms they have received over
the past few years for leaving it open (read "easy to integrate other
products with the O/S").

Now they have closed the system somewhat, in response to these criticisms.

People, we can't have it both ways. Either it is as secure as possible or it
is business as it was known 6 months ago.

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Regards,

Richard Urban
Microsoft MVP Windows Shell/User
(For email, remove the obvious from my address)

Quote from George Ankner:
If you knew as much as you think you know,
You would realize that you don't know what you thought you knew!
 
Danny said:
From what I understand, MS have fundamentally altered the kernel of
Windows with Vista, meaning that for third party companies, producing
software such as firewalls is much harder than it used to be because they
literally have to 'hack' the OS itself.

I might be wrong, but I seem to be getting the impression MS are simply
making it damn hard for companies to produce software for Vista.
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It's not really any harder to program for Vista than any other well written
multi-user OS that enforces security. The only possible advantage of some
other multi-user OS' is that the source code is available. This still isn't
really that much of an advantage as a properly written program would use
published api's anyway. The problem is that Windows programmers have never
had to do things properly so it's taking them a while to figure it out. I
wouldn't be surprised to see some 'nix developers start porting stuff to
Vista as they already know how to deal with multi-user issues and could get
a jump on some of the slower Windows developers at getting market share.
 
In message <[email protected]> "Danny"
Not really, you know as well as I do that NAT doesn't stop applications
going out the way.
Which, as I say, is one of the things I need.
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By the time you need to stop something from connecting out, it has
already won, the malware could already disable your firewall if it was
worth the trouble.
 
Danny,

When Vista users begin fully comprehending the incredible inherent Security
provided by Vista and BitLocker, only then users will fully understand
disabling Vista’s Firewall is entirely not needed or necessary.

In my view, it’s kinda like attempting to use vinyl records in the DVD
optical drive instead of using the most state of the art applications. Yes,
I’m certain you will reply, but I’ve been using those other applications for
too many years…

Perhaps better expressed, what you desire is somewhat as purchasing a new
Cadillac, and then remove the new interior, and install the interior from
that old Yugo, that you just love…

Please give Vista’s inherent Security a chance for proving what it’s
designed for achieving, Ultimate Security!
 
Hello Danny,

Your Post from 01/10/07 is right on with the exception, Vista has made it
impossible for whackers and hackers penetrating Vista; not **Certified**
third party vendors !!!

No application can bypass or weaken Vista's Kernel Patch Protection !!!
 
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