fax/adsl modem

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123xxxxx said:
can any1 tell me if this modem has fax on it plz
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http://www.pcnextday.co.uk/product_...10-3010&group=MRIM&pgroup=MOD&ref_site=kelkoo

And what part of "it is impossible to fax via ADSL" are you having problems
with, exactly? I explained why it isn't possible and an ASDL 'modem' isn't a
modem at all - it is a network connection to a vast wide area network. This
goes for ALL ASDL 'modems'. You can only fax via an analogue 56k (or lower)
modem that connects directly to your phone line. Now will you please cease
and desist as the answer is always going to be the same! Faxing requires the
recognition of tone pulses which an ASDL 'modem' is incapable of decoding.
If it cannot recognise tone pulses, how do you propose dial the fax numbers,
pray?

Some people just don't know when to quit...


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excuse me, but 1 min i bin told that there are some around and i did see 1
on the web, but was looking for something so i didnt bother bookmarking it
or taking much notice to it, i am sure i saw it but cannot remember where it
is. also you have given hardly a reason to beleive you as 'the modem' leaves
the line free for telephone and other fax machine, why not an internal fax
machine with 'the modem' as you put it
 
The ONLY way an ADSL modem can do faxing is if there is a completely
separate regulare fax modem built inside.

Save yourself TONS of hassle and just get a regular fax modem for your
PC and use two phone jacks in the wall.
 
123xxxxx said:
excuse me, but 1 min i bin told that there are some around and i did see 1
on the web, but was looking for something so i didnt bother bookmarking it
or taking much notice to it, i am sure i saw it but cannot remember where it
is. also you have given hardly a reason to beleive you as 'the modem' leaves
the line free for telephone and other fax machine, why not an internal fax
machine with 'the modem' as you put it
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You're still not attending those remedial English classes, are you? OK, as
you won't believe me, or anyone else who's told you the same thing, may I
suggest you follow the Google Groups link in my signature and enter "faxing
ADSL" in one of the search boxes. You'll have your answer then. Or, if
you're still not convinced (and someone as stubborn as you is going to take
a LOT of convincing) then try these links: -

http://www.fida.com/faq/faqs_for_hurricane_8000_adsl_mod.htm

http://www.btofaq.net/articles/misc/internet2fax.html

http://www.eicon.com/support/helpweb/adsl/fax_and_adsl.asp

And if that doesn't convince you then I give up. You're either too
stubborn - or too thick (or, probably, both).

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http://www.pcnextday.co.uk/product_detail.asp?stype=5&productcode=2110-3010&
group=MRIM&pgroup=MOD&ref_site=kelkoo

And what part of "it is impossible to fax via ADSL" are you having
problems with, exactly? I explained why it isn't possible and an ASDL
'modem' isn't a modem at all - it is a network connection to a vast
wide area network. This goes for ALL ASDL 'modems'. You can only fax
via an analogue 56k (or lower) modem that connects directly to your phone
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Wrong. You can fax with ISDN modem, too
 
Wrong. You can fax with ISDN modem, too
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No, ISDN never use modem.
"ISDN modem" never exist.
ISDN is not a modem system, It's fully digital.
But!
Some ISDN-adapters includes an extra analog modem
that can be using for analog fax.
 
No, ISDN never use modem.
"ISDN modem" never exist.
ISDN is not a modem system, It's fully digital.
But!
Some ISDN-adapters includes an extra analog modem
that can be using for analog fax.
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Wrong again. YOU can send fax through ISDN line digitally. Sending fax is
digital anyway, It's just converted to analog. IF it's analog line, this is
done in analog modem, if it's digital, it's done in the central or at your
home, if you have ISDN. How do you connect analog fax to ISDN line? you must
have digital to analog converter and that is what SOME ISDN modems have
built-in. But not all. Analog part (if exists) is used onyl for connecting
analog phones to it. Bu tit can't be done with regular programs for sending
faxes via analog modem. It must be a program for ISDN.
But in any case, that analog part is NOT intended for modem to be capable of
SENDING faxes, but more for RECEIVING them via normal analog fax machine. If
you receive it with computer, you don't even need that analog part.

And modem is general word, as ISDN modem, ADSL modem, calbe modem... they
are all so-called modems, so don't be so picky. We all know, what it means.
 
WHAT THE EICON SAYS IT BULL, IT LIKE SAYING THE TELEPHONE SHARES THE SAME
LINE AND YOU CANT DIAL OUT, LIKE HELL YOU CANT
 
SleeperMan said:
Wrong again. YOU can send fax through ISDN line digitally. Sending fax is
digital anyway, It's just converted to analog. IF it's analog line, this is
done in analog modem, if it's digital, it's done in the central or at your
home, if you have ISDN. How do you connect analog fax to ISDN line? you must
have digital to analog converter and that is what SOME ISDN modems have
built-in. But not all. Analog part (if exists) is used onyl for connecting
analog phones to it. Bu tit can't be done with regular programs for sending
faxes via analog modem. It must be a program for ISDN.
But in any case, that analog part is NOT intended for modem to be capable of
SENDING faxes, but more for RECEIVING them via normal analog fax machine. If
you receive it with computer, you don't even need that analog part.

And modem is general word, as ISDN modem, ADSL modem, calbe modem... they
are all so-called modems, so don't be so picky. We all know, what it
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means.

Before you're so quick to tell someone their wrong, try looking up some
facts. If you have no idea how ISDN or fax works, that's fine by me. Just
don't try to 'explain' it to others.

And no, modem is not a general word. It's a specific word. It is a
MOdulator/DEModulator. ISDN and ADSL are all digital, they don't need to
convert analogue to digital or vice versa, so no modulation is happening.
Normally I would agree with you that we know what he means, but in this case
the distinction is vital. It's the reason why the OP can't send a fax over
ADSL.

Gareth
 
And modem is general word, as ISDN modem, ADSL modem, calbe modem... they
are all so-called modems, so don't be so picky. We all know, what it means.
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There is no ISDN-modems! The other is modems.
 
you resorting to insults just proves your ignorance that your as stupid as
any1 who beleives that there there are no adsl/fax modem, who think they no
everything listen absolute tripe, so shut up dig yourself that grave and rot
in it please its better for the whole of humanity if you did that
 
Ken said:
means.

There is no ISDN-modems! The other is modems.
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A modem, by its very definition, is an ANALOGUE device. There is no such
thing as a DIGITAL modem because, as Some One stated, it doesn't need to
MOdulate/DEModulate the signal. ISDN and DSL are both DIGITAL therefore
CANNOT carry an ANALOGUE signal!

In the name of Hades, can't you understand a simple principle?!


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Some said:
It takes a truly STUPID person to be told that they are stupid to
their face and still not understand.

cannot
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*Paranoia Alert*...I hope you're referring to the OP and not me! ;o)

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it will not sink in until you and the websites you gave actually prove
something, that your a complete eejit yourself
 
Before you're so quick to tell someone their wrong, try looking up
some facts. If you have no idea how ISDN or fax works, that's fine by
me. Just don't try to 'explain' it to others.

And no, modem is not a general word. It's a specific word. It is a
MOdulator/DEModulator. ISDN and ADSL are all digital, they don't need
to convert analogue to digital or vice versa, so no modulation is
happening. Normally I would agree with you that we know what he
means, but in this case the distinction is vital. It's the reason why
the OP can't send a fax over ADSL.

Gareth
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You really think i'm THAT stupid i don't know theoretical facts about
modem...
I was talking about being picky. We all (well, almost all) know what is and
what isn't modem. BUT...we still all say ISDN MODEM, and ADSL MODEM, and
Cable MODEM, right? THAT is what i was talking about. Word modem became
general word for all Internet receiving equipment, although this is wrong...

And second, if you send fax from Word or any other application, you
definitely don't need ANY analog part. But maybe we missunderstood each
other and you guys were thinking of connecting fax machine to ISDN 'modem' -
for that you do need analog part in modem itself. I have US Robotics ISDN
'modem' which does have analog part in it, but only for analog phones (or
fax machine) to connect to it. For sending/receiving faxes i use RVS fax
lite edition.

Now will you be so kind and explain where in the path from Word (just an
example) in my computer (i print it to RVS fax) via ISDN line to my
friend's computer, which receives this fax with RVS fax program shows ANY
analogue part?

I understand if line is analog - in this case paper is analog, then fax
machine SCANS it to make it digital, modulates it( but only because it must,
since it's analog line) and sends to other party via cable, where this
signal demodulates, converts BACK to digital and prints. At least i never
saw analog printer or scanner...

Maybe i'm wrong.....but i need a proof and i'll believe (maybe...:-)))
 
and im not yelling i just left my caps lock on, im i free to do that now???
or knowing you im probably not. i dont care much for cyber rules, as far as
im concerned no1 can tell me what i can or not do as long as its legal in
the real world
 
123xxxxx said:
it will not sink in until you and the websites you gave actually prove
something, that your a complete eejit yourself
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You are a moron.

An ADSL modem cannot fax.

If you find an ADSL modem that CAN fax all that you have is a normal
ADSL modem PLUS a regular fax modem, both stuffed in the same box. The
same can be had for MUCH less money if you just buy a regular ADSL
modem and regular FAX modem.
 
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