Favorite new or used AIO?

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Hello.

I'm looking for a multifunction (print, scan, fax) printer, for low
volume office use. Mostly document printing. I've been refilling
inkjets for about 20 years, and plan on continuing. I prefer inkjet
to laser. Simple is good. I'm ok with Craigslist and Ebay, if the
model is no longer in production.

What have you liked?


Best,
Larry
 
Hi!
What have you liked?

The HP OfficeJet 500 and similar models, on up to 700 I think. These use the
ubiquitous cartridges from the old DeskJet 600/660 line that were once so
popular. The color ones aren't bad to refill, but the black ones are a chore
and take some practice to get right.

These have decent OS support (Windows/Linux, at least for printing) and the
fax support is really very well thought out. Most AIO/MFP devices I've seen
look to have the faxing functionality designed like it was a "last possible
minute" idea. Not this...it supports faxing very well, with the ability to
send/receive to and from your computer (and not print the faxes--invaluable
if you get junk faxes). It also understands distinctive ringing service,
something I couldn't find in a lot of more modern machines.

The OJ500 I'm using now went under in a basement flood. I wasn't going to
fix it, but after seeing how dismal the competition was, I pulled it all
apart on the kitchen table--where I cleaned it and repaired damaged
circuitry. It had been without power for months prior to this. But when I
got it put back together and happy, it printed three faxes that it had
received before going under. Amazed isn't the word.

Trouble is, the rollers for the paper pickup seem to be degrading, and I've
had trouble keeping my current unit online for that reason. It has, however,
according to the internal page counter, printed almost 30,000 pages and sent
about 50,000 faxes. It belonged to a grain elevator before I got it, so
that's why the usage is so high.

William
 
LF said:
Hello.

I'm looking for a multifunction (print, scan, fax) printer, for low
volume office use. Mostly document printing. I've been refilling
inkjets for about 20 years, and plan on continuing. I prefer inkjet
to laser. Simple is good. I'm ok with Craigslist and Ebay, if the
model is no longer in production.

What have you liked?

My favorite is the HP Photosmart 2610. I have bought one new, as well as
three others on eBay for relatives. Get the optional duplexer, I am spoiled
by two sided printing.

Regards,
Bob Headrick, MS MVP Printing/Imaging
 
My favorite is the HP Photosmart 2610. I have bought one new, as well as
three others on eBay for relatives. Get the optional duplexer, I am spoiled
by two sided printing.
Bob,
Thanks for the suggestion. I'll check them out.
Best,
Larry
 
Bob said:
My favorite is the HP Photosmart 2610. I have bought one new, as well
as three others on eBay for relatives. Get the optional duplexer, I am
spoiled by two sided printing.

Bob, I have to thank you again for helping me to realize that the
duplexer that came with my HP 970c printer would also work perfectly
with my 940c and Photosmart 1115. I believe that the duplexer came
standard with the 970 (is this correct?). Although the accessory plus
the software slows throughput to keep the wet ink from smearing, the
duplexer has been so delightful that I can't imagine living without one.
It saves in paper cost -- and if anyone's paid attention, have you
noticed how much more expensive paper is now than it was a year ago?

Equally important domestically is the amount of shelf space and binder
costs I now save. My LED printer is still hooked up, and if I were doing
a writing or editing job, I'd be working on hard copy spewed out from it
(editing exclusively on-screen is a great way to turn out crappy work).
When using the laser-class printer, I print on low-cost (but not the
cheapest) 20# copier paper. With the inkjets, I use more expensive 24#
inkjet paper. So, I figure that my paper cost may be about 1/4 - 1/5
more per sheet, and that the space that I save is perhaps 80%.

If I want to use, for example, the 2610 that you like, does this use the
same duplexer that I already have? Also, what should I look out for if I
buy another duplexer, used. I admit that I've become a real duplexer
junkie, and I want to have a spare just in case something horrible
happens to the one I've got.

Regarding LF's remark that simple is good, I have an ironic observation:
the more I learn about inkjet printers, the more it has dawned on me
that the inkjet systems seem vastly more complicated than Laser
printers. I think that its easy for us to assume that because these
printers are cheaper and more ubiquitous, that they're simple. There
seems to be so much more involved in the software and firmware in order
to optimize the process to handle the characteristics of the liquid
inks, especially when printing graphics and photos.

Let's look at toner: it's made of something like one or two types of
plastic (one chosen for its melting/fusing properties), and a colorant.
The toner particles have to meet size criteria, and in some cases, the
shape and uniformity of the particles are also important. Inkjet ink,
according to one aftermarket formulator, has to hit about 40 different
chemical and physical criteria in order to function properly. This is no
casual undertaking.

So, as I see it, when I consider the development costs of the printer,
the software, and the inks -- we're looking at quite a bit of R, D, and
manufacturing money. And the printer, despite coming from China,
probably is a loss leader for the manufacturer. So, virtually all of
these costs have to be recouped from the sale of ink. My objection is
that this is a dishonest business model from the customer's perspective,
and the markup on the ink is still about as wild as the 10,000% profit
that I just gave Radio Shack for a set of two headphone pads for $5.00
(which I expect cost the company 2 cents).

I much prefer Kodak's model -- yeah -- even as I reflect that they're
making out like bandits on the ink anyway. Like, they're making, what?
-- 2,000% instead of 4,000% profit?

We use inkjet printers, we are the liquid in the manufacturers' money
punmps.

Bob, have I got all this correct?

Richard
 
Richard said:
Bob, I have to thank you again for helping me to realize that the
duplexer that came with my HP 970c printer would also work perfectly
with my 940c and Photosmart 1115. I believe that the duplexer came
standard with the 970 (is this correct?) 990Cse
. Although the accessory plus the software slows throughput to keep
the wet ink from smearing, the duplexer has been so delightful that I
can't imagine living without one. It saves in paper cost
but there are many idiots postings here that say it is no good. I think
it is great.
 
If I want to use, for example, the 2610 that you like, does this use the
same duplexer that I already have? [for the Deskjet 970]

No. the duplexer model has changed for the 2610. It uses the Q5712A
duplexer, also used in numerous recent Deskjet's such as various 6xxx
models. See
http://h10010.www1.hp.com/wwpc/us/en/sm/WF06c/A10-51210-64188-347701-64188-62983-406670-406671.html
Also, what should I look out for if I buy another duplexer, used. I admit
that I've become a real duplexer junkie, and I want to
have a spare just in case something horrible happens to the one I've got.

My usual algorithm for shopping for such items it to pick them up when I
stumble across them cheap. I recently picked up a pair of duplexers for the
900 series new in the box for $12 total at the local university surplus
outlet. I picked up a duplexer for my 2610 from ebay. I have never had a
duplexer, they are mechanically pretty straightforward.
Regarding LF's remark that simple is good, I have an ironic observation:
the more I learn about inkjet printers, the more it has dawned on me that
the inkjet systems seem vastly more complicated than Laser printers. I
think that its easy for us to assume that because these printers are
cheaper and more ubiquitous, that they're simple. There seems to be so
much more involved in the software and firmware in order to optimize the
process to handle the characteristics of the liquid inks, especially when
printing graphics and photos.

Yes, there is an amazing amount of technology "under the hood". I made a
living for a dozen years or so dealing with the system interaction issues.

Regards,
Bob Headrick, MS MVP Printing/Imaging
 
measekite said:
but there are many idiots postings here that say it is no good. I think
it is great.

You don't have one you moron. So who cares what you say, huh?
Are you really that stupid...oh...no need to don't answer...we all
already know the answer.
Yes you are really that stupid.
Frank
 
Bob Headrick said:
I have never had a duplexer, they are mechanically pretty
straightforward.

That should have said "I have never had a duplexer fail, they are
mechanically...."

- Bob
 
Bob said:
If I want to use, for example, the 2610 that you like, does this use
the same duplexer that I already have? [for the Deskjet 970]

No. the duplexer model has changed for the 2610. It uses the Q5712A
duplexer, also used in numerous recent Deskjet's such as various 6xxx
models. See
http://h10010.www1.hp.com/wwpc/us/en/sm/WF06c/A10-51210-64188-347701-64188-62983-406670-406671.html

Also, what should I look out for if I buy another duplexer, used. I
admit that I've become a real duplexer junkie, and I want to
have a spare just in case something horrible happens to the one I've got.

My usual algorithm for shopping for such items it to pick them up when I
stumble across them cheap. I recently picked up a pair of duplexers for
the 900 series new in the box for $12 total at the local university
surplus outlet

Bob, I'd like to know how to recognize the duplexer that I have so I can
buy another one using your algorithm. I haven't been able to find that
info myself on HP's site.

Do you have any tips for me about getting my duplexer's model number and
instructions for it (care especially)?

Thanks.

Richard
 
Bob, I'd like to know how to recognize the duplexer that I have so I can
buy another one using your algorithm. I haven't been able to find that
info myself on HP's site.

If you remove the duplexer it should have model number information on a
sticker. For the Deskjet 900 series (as well as the Deskjet 6122, 6127,
Photosmart 1000, 1100, 1115, 1215 1218, 1315 , Officejet G55, 85, 95 and
others) the duplexer unit is model C6463A, see
http://h10025.www1.hp.com/ewfrf/wc/...7586&cc=us&dlc=en&lc=en&jumpid=reg_R1002_USEN
Do you have any tips for me about getting my duplexer's model number and
instructions for it (care especially)?

The user's guide is available at:
http://h10025.www1.hp.com/ewfrf/wc/...0236&cc=us&dlc=en&lc=en&jumpid=reg_R1002_USEN

It should really not require much care. If you use the printer heavily you
could occasionally open it up (the large button on the back in the center)
and clean the rollers and wipe down any aerosol buildup.

Regards,
Bob Headrick
 
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