Failing HD

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I have a Dell 8300 Dimension running Win XP Pro on a 250 GB SATA HD. The HD
is failing. I have a 500 GB SATA HD I have been using as a backup drive. I
would like to use the 500 as my main drive now. What are the steps required
to do this? There is no operating system on the 500.
 
You remove the 250, install the 500 then use your recovery cd/dvds then load
all your apps
Or, probably better
You use clone software to clone your installation to the 500 drive (eg
Acronis TI) on completion immediately shutdown, *without* starting win, then
remove the 250 replace with the 500 and restart
 
Thanks for the quick replies. Both drives are currently connected. The 250 is
my primary and the 500 is slave. I just don't know how to convert the 500 to
my primary since it has all my backups on it. I was planning on getting
another drive to use as my backup, or would it be easier to get anew drive
and make it the primary? I do not know that much about all this, but can do
what ever I need to if I have something to follow.
 
You could also buy an external USB drive and
use it to move the files on your 500GB drive to
the USB drive.

Then you might consider creating an Image backup
of your failing drive (with the Image backup file being
stored on your USB drive). Next use the Recovery/Restore
CD that came with or you create when using the Image
backup software. Test your recovery CD to see if it can
find the Image backup file on your USB drive. If it sees the
Image backup file, then remove your failing drive first and
then restore to the 500GB drive, you should now be able
to boot from the 500GB drive.

You can use the external USB drive for all your file or image backups.
 
sweetcheeks said:
I have a Dell 8300 Dimension running Win XP Pro on a 250 GB SATA HD. The HD
is failing. I have a 500 GB SATA HD I have been using as a backup drive. I
would like to use the 500 as my main drive now. What are the steps required
to do this? There is no operating system on the 500.

Since you're about to use your backup drive, as your primary drive,
now you're "short a drive". You should buy yet another hard drive.
You don't want to be caught without a backup! Bad things can
happen, no matter how careful you are. Say you move from
a--> b, and "b" is a bad copy and "a" breaks a few minutes
later. Now, you have no copy of data to work with.
Make sure you have at least one backup to fall back on.

One way to move all the stuff, is to use the utility the
disk manufacturer provides on their web site. Seagate
provides a utility, while I think Hitachi does not.
Check the disk manufacturer web sites for details.

Discwizard manual
http://www.seagate.com/support/discwizard/dw_ug.en.pdf

Download page
http://www.seagate.com/ww/v/index.j...toid=d9fd4a3cdde5c010VgnVCM100000dd04090aRCRD

*******
I changed my C: drive, just this week. I bought a couple
160GB disks. I changed from an existing noisy 80GB drive,
to a 160GB drive. I used my Linux LiveCD (Knoppix), to
boot the computer, in place of using WinXP. I used the
"dd" or disk dump command, which copies every sector from
one drive to the other. It doesn't matter how many partitions
are on the disk, or their file system type, it just copies
all the sectors. The syntax looks like this. You
have to examine /etc/fstab, to get some idea of what
the drive names are.

dd if=/dev/hda of=/dev/hdb

What that does, is transfers the raw device "hda" in Linux,
to the raw device "hdb". The command runs until it hits the
end of hda, so using the syntax above, hdb has to be the
same size or bigger than hda, in order for the command to
finish and have copied all the data. My transfer rate was
roughly 19MB/sec. To transfer a 250GB disk, would take
250000/19 seconds or about 3.6 hours. Using Discwizard
could be faster than that (because Discwizard won't be
copying the parts of the disk that are blank).

If you check the actual size of the disk, the disk size is
the product of a number of prime numbers. In Linux, I
can use a command like disk_stat, to get a measure of the
number of sectors

156301488

Since each sector is 512 bytes or 0.5KB, if you multiply
that number by 0.5, you get 78,150,744 or close to 80GB.

If I use the Linux "factor" program, it tries dividing numbers
into that number. It prints all the factors on one line of
output. That number is equivalent to

2*2*2*2*3*3*3*3*3*7*5743 = 156301488

Written another way, that is 27216 * 5743.

I can rewrite the "dd" command now. (I actually stopped the
command the first time I was running it, to use a syntax
that would double the copy speed.) Since 27216 is a number
of sectors, I multiply by 512 bytes/sector, to get a count of
bytes. That means my disk is

(27216*512) * 5743 bytes

The reason I want to break the disk down into exact pieces,
is so the disk can be copied a block at a time. The
new dd command to copy my 80GB drive becomes

dd if=/dev/hda of=/dev/hdb bs=13934592 count=5743

Since I've done the math, I know that copies the entire disk.

That means the disk is broken down into 5743 equal pieces,
each 13934592 bytes in size. Or, if the command didn't
like the syntax, I could bump the first number down by a
factor of 2, and the second one up by a factor of 2. It
all depends on the largest bs (block size) the command
happens to support. I didn't check what that is.

dd if=/dev/hda of=/dev/hdb bs=6967296 count=11486

If you don't like that geeky stuff, then use the Seagate
tool. It is actually a piece of software written by
Acronis. Acronis makes tools that can move data from one
disk to another. And without all the arithmetic I used.

Another small note. When you copy the disk

a--> b

After the copy is complete, disconnect the "a" drive
from the computer, before you boot the "b" drive for
the first time. That prevents Windows from becoming
confused. Once "b" has booted by itself at least
once, then it is safe to reconnect the "a" drive
again if you want. You don't want the "a" drive
connected, when "b" boots for the first time. I don't
know all the technical details, as to why it screws up,
but I've had to "reclone" a disk before, because I forgot
to disconnect the source disk before booting the
destination disk. Perhaps someone else here can
explain what goes on there.

I expect you would enjoy the Acronis tool, a lot
more than using "dd" :-)

Good luck,
Paul
 
sweetcheeks said:
I have a Dell 8300 Dimension running Win XP Pro on a 250 GB SATA HD. The HD
is failing. I have a 500 GB SATA HD I have been using as a backup drive. I
would like to use the 500 as my main drive now. What are the steps
required
to do this? There is no operating system on the 500.

If the system drive was in good shape, you would clone to the replacement
drive - which will generally wipe its contents.

But if the source drive is not in good shape, you may get an unstable OS, so
it would be better to do a clean install to a new drive.

Remove the old drive, disconnect any card readers, install the new drive,
and install clean from your install CDs. Install drivers, and at the end,
re-attach the old drive and move your data over.

HTH
-pk
 
sweetcheeks said:
I have a Dell 8300 Dimension running Win XP Pro on a 250 GB SATA HD. The HD
is failing. I have a 500 GB SATA HD I have been using as a backup drive. I
would like to use the 500 as my main drive now. What are the steps
required to do this? There is no operating system on the 500.


philo said:
Ideally you'd want to backup the data on your 500 gig drive
then use a 3rd party utility to divide the drive into two partitions
leaving the primary partition empty
then use cloning software to clone your old drive to the primary
partition of your 500 gig drive

You will probably find it safer and easier to just purchase a new drive
and clone your old one to that...and leave your 500 gig drive disconnected
during the process


philo said:
Yes...as I said, the safest thing to do would be to not touch your present
backup drive.
Disconnect it and put a new drive in the machine
then clone your old drive to it.
remove the old drive and put the "clone" in it's place
finally reconnect your backup drive

a good cloning utility is Acronis True image...
however, your new drive may already include similar software...
check the mfg's website as they may have it for download


sweetchicks...
While philo's suggested course of action is an option, let me suggest
another approach that you may want to consider...

But first of all, I'm going to assume that your present HDD is indeed
defective - that it's "failing" due to some physical/electronic problem with
the disk itself. But that there's *no* problem involving the contents of
that drive, at least up to the present time. So that your system presently
boots without incident and functions without any problems. So all your data
on that drive is intact and that there's no problem with your XP OS, i.e.,
it's uncorrupted and perfectly serviceable. All that is correct, yes?

Because if it isn't, don't go any further...

Somehow you've determined that your HDD is "failing". How have you arrived
at this conclusion? Have you used a diagnostic utility that you downloaded
from the disk's manufacturer and that utility reported a defective disk? Or
some other diagnostic program that reported a defective drive? Or you've
heard strange noises of one kind or another emenating from the disk?

I harp on this because I can't tell you how many users I've encountered over
the years who insisted that their HDD was defective and that accounted for
the problem(s) they were experiencing. In most cases - yes, *most* cases -
the HDD wasn't the problem at all. The problem frequently occurred because
of a completely different software or hardware problem. (And not
infrequently, the "problem" was sitting in front of the keyboard).

But unless we learn differently we'll assume that you are, in fact, dealing
with a defective (failing) HDD.

As philo & others have pointed out it really would be a good idea that you
immediately clone the contents of your present boot drive to another HDD
before the boot drive completely fails. Or at least copy whatever files -
data - are important to you.

You've indicated that you're thinking about the possibility of purchasing
another HDD and possibly installing it as your boot HDD, presumably to
replace your present failing boot drive. So I assume from this that you're
reasonably comfortable in getting inside your Dell computer case and
performing the necessary installation & connections involving the HDD should
it come to that. Right?

So consider this approach...

1. You've indicted you have a 500 GB HDD that you're using as a "backup"
drive. Can we assume this is another internal HDD, and not a USB external
HDD?

2. So that *all* the files that you've backed up to that 500 GB HDD are
files presently on your 250 GB boot drive, yes? Or, if they're not, you can
easily copy any files from the 500 GB secondary HDD to your boot drive,
right?

3. So why don't you go ahead with the disk-cloning operation so as to clone
the contents of your 250 GB primary HDD to the 500 GB HDD. Then uninstall
the 250 GB HDD from your machine and install the 500 GB drive as your
primary HDD (connecting that drive to the motherboard's SATA0 connector,
presumably the one that the 250 GB HDD was connected to.). Could you do
this?

You do understand, of course, that when you undertake the disk-cloning
operation, *all* the data presently on the "destination" HDD, i.e, your 500
GB HDD in this case, will be "gone with the wind", right? So please keep
that in mind in case there's any data on that drive that's not currently on
your boot drive or you haven't backed up to some other source.

4. So hopefully you'll have a perfectly fine boot drive and you can discard
your old boot drive.

5. Next you'll purchase another HDD as you are contemplating and use that
HDD as your secondary HDD for backup purposes - connecting that disk to the
SATA1 connector (presumably the original connection for your 500 GB SATA
HDD).

6. As has been suggested to you by philo and I believe others, you can use
the Acronis True Image program to perform the disk-cloning operation.
Fortunately Acronis has a trial version available for download. While I
greatly prefer another disk-cloning program (Casper 5), and that program
also has a trial version, unfortunately their trial version is somewhat
crippled. I can explain that further if you want.

7. In any event, once you have a stable, functional system going you can use
the disk-cloning program to *routinely* clone the contents of your
day-to-day boot drive to your secondary HDD and thus maintain a
comprehensive backup system.
Anna
 
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