Ethics question about answering Posts

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Barry A&P

I am a access newbie, and truely enjoy and appreciate the help i recieve from
these newsgroups and feel somewhat obligated to try to answer questions if i
feel i might have some kind of helpful response, albeit my responses are not
as gracefull and knowledgable as the MVP's and usually not as simple..

Should i completely Butt out ? Be very Careful ? or keep dishing out my two
cents hoping something will help somebody somewhere someday..

Just trying to do the right thing
Thanks
Barry
 
Barry, you are very welcome to have a go.

If you are not 100% sure, test before posting. If your reply isn't accurate,
someone will probably let you know. Assuming you have a reasonably thick
skin, you learn even more that way.

If someone flames you, just ignore it and move on to one where you can be
helpful.

Posting replies is a great way to extend your knowledge of Access. You
discover the places where people typically get stuck, and develop solutions
for those.

It's a great way to learn and contribute. Enjoy.
 
We all got to be MVPs by answering questions. All of us get it wrong from
time to time as well. So please answer as many questions as you care to.
 
Barry said:
I am a access newbie, and truely enjoy and appreciate the help i recieve from
these newsgroups and feel somewhat obligated to try to answer questions if i
feel i might have some kind of helpful response, albeit my responses are not
as gracefull and knowledgable as the MVP's and usually not as simple..

Should i completely Butt out ? Be very Careful ? or keep dishing out my two
cents hoping something will help somebody somewhere someday..

Just trying to do the right thing
Thanks
Barry

FWIW, answering others' question is what helped me understand the tool
better. If I had resigned to only asking questions and maybe reading
only threads that I searched specifically for where I was stuck, I would
probably only know 2% of what I know now due to answering others'
questions.

Allen Browne already has given you some useful advice, especially
qualifying your posts where you're not 100% sure, and be prepared to
take the flames.
 
Barry A&P said:
I am a access newbie, and truely enjoy and appreciate the help i
recieve from
these newsgroups and feel somewhat obligated to try to answer
questions if i
feel i might have some kind of helpful response, albeit my responses
are not
as gracefull and knowledgable as the MVP's and usually not as simple..

Should i completely Butt out ? Be very Careful ? or keep dishing out
my two
cents hoping something will help somebody somewhere someday..

Just trying to do the right thing
Thanks
Barry


I expect mine won't be the only answer you'll receive on this post
<smile>.

Speaking for myself, a couple things happen when i try to answer a post
that i think I can help with:
1) Checking my answer before I post it sharpens my skills, and
2) If i blunder, someone else is sure to (most generally graciously)
jump in with a correction.

There's a *lot* of really helpful answers here that do not come from
MVPs.

Like you, I'm grateful for the help I've received here, and I'm pleased
when i see an opportunity to pass that help along to someone else ....
plus, I like to think that any time I am able to pitch in and help
someone I'm taking a bit of the burden off the other volunteers who so
generously dish out help ... and again ... and yet again ..... (you get
the idea.)

So: by all means ... Be Careful .... and jump in anytime!

Welcome aboard!
 
Hi Barry,
Should i completely Butt out ?
Absolutely not!

Answer those questions that you feel comfortable answering. If a post
includes several questions, and you know the answer to at least one of the
questions, then answer that part and defer on the rest to others if that
makes you feel more comfortable.

Do you think I had a tendency to butt out of questions, leaving them for the
MVPs to answer, before having been awarded MVP myself in 2006? Nope...not a
chance!

So welcome aboard. Teaching others is a great way to learn.


Tom Wickerath
Microsoft Access MVP
http://www.accessmvp.com/TWickerath/
__________________________________________
 
I am a access newbie, and truely enjoy and appreciate the help i recieve from
these newsgroups and feel somewhat obligated to try to answer questions if i
feel i might have some kind of helpful response, albeit my responses are not
as gracefull and knowledgable as the MVP's and usually not as simple..

Should i completely Butt out ? Be very Careful ? or keep dishing out my two
cents hoping something will help somebody somewhere someday..

Please, please post. Do *not* worry about being too careful.
You'll learn something from your mistakes. Or more experienced folks
might point out some nuances you hadn't appreciated. But then you
likely don't have my thirty years of experience as a
programmer/systems analyst/developer/uber geek either..

Do note that some of us more experienced folks tend to ignore certain
categories of questions. For example, I ignore DLookup because I've
never used it. So there's lots of opportunity to jump in.

Tony
--
Tony Toews, Microsoft Access MVP
Tony's Main MS Access pages - http://www.granite.ab.ca/accsmstr.htm
Tony's Microsoft Access Blog - http://msmvps.com/blogs/access/
For a convenient utility to keep your users FEs and other files
updated see http://www.autofeupdater.com/
Granite Fleet Manager http://www.granitefleet.com/
 
Should i completely Butt out ?

I heartily second what everyone else has said, i.e., that you should
jump in feet first and help out as much as you feel comfortable. I
would add a few bits of advice to the mix:

1. if you can provide documentation for your answer, provide a link
to a website, indicate the Access help file topic or the book you're
drawing your answer from. If you've done that and don't really
understand the answers given, say so, and ask others if they can
provide an explanation of those answers.

2. if you've done some research of your own but have found only an
incomplete answer to the question, particularly when no one else has
found an answer, describe your research and why you believe the
answer is incomplete. An incomplete answer often points someone in
the right direction and ends up being just as useful as a complete
one.

3. make sure you've actually understood the question before you
answer, and if there's any doubt, say "I'm not entirely sure I'm
interpreting your question right, but..." This is a mistake a too
often make myself, and I've been programming in Access pretty much
as my principle occupation since 1996 -- I jump in before I've
completely absorbed what is being asked, and end up embarassing
myself.

4. don't hesitate to ask for further clarification instead of
"answering" the question. Very often, people don't get answers
because their questions aren't sufficiently well-formed. And it's
often the case that when questioners encounter a problem for the
first time they don't know what to ask about, so requests for
clarification are often as helpful in reaching a successful
conclusion as a post that provides a full-fledged solution to the
problem.

5. even when others have provided answers, you may think of a
different solution, so don't stay out of the thread just because
answers have already been provided -- as a novice you may have
better, more up-to-date answers reflecting your education in the
most recent versions of Access that are better than those given by
old hands who often neglect to learn the new ways and keep giving
out old answers (ones that work, but are still not the only or the
simplest solution -- David Fenton raises hand here!).

6. you can also contribute value to a discussion by asking for
clarification of others' answers. If you read an answer to a
question and you don't fully understand the solution, ask for some
clarification. By doing so, you may be helping the original
questioner as much as the answer you're responding to.

7. useful phrases: "I could be wrong on this...", "I'm not sure if
this is applicable in this situation, but what about...", "I tried
to find an answer for this and looked in X and Y and Z. Is there a
better place to look?", "I think the answer is A, but these other
folks say B." These are all phrases that I think I should use more
often, and are appropriate for use by responders at all levels of
skill and experience.

8. try to keep track of answers from others that you like, and then
model your own responses on those. It's not always just about
content, but style can make a big difference. If you take a look at
the responses by posters whose names you remember and whose answers
you find understandable and helpful, you might find a model on how
you, yourself, might become just as valuable a contributor.

9. don't be surprised if you start a lot more followups than you
actually end up posting. I very often start an answer and while
nailing down my answer, discover that I'm wrong about the solution.
Likewise, I have a much higher proportion of followups than of
original questions not because I don't have a lot of questions, but
because often the mere act of formulating the question causes me to
discover the solution. This can happen when answering questions,
too, in the opposite direction! I often read a question and think
"Of course the solution is Z! It's so simple!" and after writing the
air code that demonstrates that my answer is right, I plug it into
Access and discover I'M WRONG! Sometimes I post anyway, because
explaining why a plausible-sounding answer doesn't work is often as
valuable as the answer that does, *if* you consider the goal of the
newsgroups not to be solving problems but learning in general.

That brings my to my last point: think of these newsgroups not as a
place where people post questions and people answer them, but as a
place where topics of interest are introduced and then discussion
ensues. You can help further those kinds of discussions by asking
more questions just as much as anyone posting an "answer" could.

The goal is not to answer the question so much as for everybody
involved to learn something new. The perspective of novice Access
users often leads us oldsters to learn something new. I could get
along fine doing my daily programming without participating in the
newsgroups, but the participation keeps me sharp and constantly
learning, and that is invaluable to me. It's why I spend so much
time at it, and, I suspect, why so many of the other regular
contributors do so as well. In short, I feel like I get as much as I
give in writing my answers.

You, too, even a self-described Access novice, may find that to be
the case as well.
 
Barry,
Couldn't agree more with the other comments...
Keep learning, and... at first... respond to those issues you are feel
you can handle.
Read as many posts as you can... whether you expect to respond
or not. You can really learn lots of common problems, and common
solutions that way.
And, of course, keep building/developing your own Access applications.
--
hth
Al Campagna
Microsoft Access MVP
http://home.comcast.net/~cccsolutions/index.html

"Find a job that you love... and you'll never work a day in your life."
 
I am a access newbie, and truely enjoy and appreciate the help i recieve from
these newsgroups and feel somewhat obligated to try to answer questions if i
feel i might have some kind of helpful response, albeit my responses are not
as gracefull and knowledgable as the MVP's and usually not as simple..

Should i completely Butt out ? Be very Careful ? or keep dishing out my two
cents hoping something will help somebody somewhere someday..

Just trying to do the right thing
Thanks
Barry

I see that there are lots of folks of the same mind here... but let me just
add a Warning.

Helping folks solve their problems is addictive.

Getting feedback that your answer worked and saved someone a day's work is
REALLY addictive.

Getting hooked on the "rush" can lead to spending a lot of time online...
learning a lot about Access... and getting a letter from the Microsoft MVP
program awarding you for your service. Then you can *TRULY* get hooked.

Looking forward to meeting you at the MVP Summit someday!
 
I too will just jump on the band wagon with everyone else. These forums have
been the mose valuable tool in learning Access that I could have ever asked
for.

I really do get much more that I an ever able to give here. If it had not
been for the others here on this forum (many of whom have posted back to your
thread) I would not be where I am today.

I enjoy trying to help others the same way that others have helped me.

A big THANKS!!! to all of your guys for all of your time and energy.

Mr. B
http://www.askdoctoraccess.com/
Doctor Access Downloads Page:
http://www.askdoctoraccess.com/DownloadPage.htm
 
Way to many supportive replies.
I would like to suggest you run away as fast as you can. Replying to posts
can become addictive and bad for your health.

Check out this list of systems:
1) More than 4 times a week you are late to a meal because
you are answering questions
2) You brush or floss while searching NGs for questions to answer
3) You leg, feet, or backside circulation is cut off from sitting in the
same position so long and you get "tingly"
4) Your wife and kids communicate to you by posting qestions in
microsoft.public.access
5) You remember questions from 7 years ago about
"Me.MoveNext" but forget 2 of 3 things on your wife's
grocery list
6) You have google wars with your son who posts in the
java NGs
7) Your only break coincides with the new www.woot.com
item posting
8) 90% of your IE favorites are Access and NG related
9) Posting fast and accurate is more important than
looking and smelling good
10) You become an MVP!
 
Excellent posting snipped.
4. don't hesitate to ask for further clarification instead of
"answering" the question. Very often, people don't get answers
because their questions aren't sufficiently well-formed. And it's
often the case that when questioners encounter a problem for the
first time they don't know what to ask about, so requests for
clarification are often as helpful in reaching a successful
conclusion as a post that provides a full-fledged solution to the
problem.

Indeed I see half of our task being translating what the user is
asking to the terminology the program uses.

Tony
--
Tony Toews, Microsoft Access MVP
Tony's Main MS Access pages - http://www.granite.ab.ca/accsmstr.htm
Tony's Microsoft Access Blog - http://msmvps.com/blogs/access/
For a convenient utility to keep your users FEs and other files
updated see http://www.autofeupdater.com/
Granite Fleet Manager http://www.granitefleet.com/
 
Duane Hookom said:
I would like to suggest you run away as fast as you can. Replying to posts
can become addictive and bad for your health.
Hehehehe

9) Posting fast and accurate is more important than
looking and smelling good

Hey, I take a shower at least once a week.

Tony
--
Tony Toews, Microsoft Access MVP
Tony's Main MS Access pages - http://www.granite.ab.ca/accsmstr.htm
Tony's Microsoft Access Blog - http://msmvps.com/blogs/access/
For a convenient utility to keep your users FEs and other files
updated see http://www.autofeupdater.com/
Granite Fleet Manager http://www.granitefleet.com/
 
Actually, I was thinking Tony might comment. Not because he doesn't either
look or smell bad but he has the type of personality that says "if you don't
care for my smell or appearance, GET OVER IT!"
 
Duane Hookom said:
Actually, I was thinking Tony might comment. Not because he doesn't either
look or smell bad but he has the type of personality that says "if you don't
care for my smell or appearance, GET OVER IT!"

Hehehehehe Sounds about right.

Tony
--
Tony Toews, Microsoft Access MVP
Tony's Main MS Access pages - http://www.granite.ab.ca/accsmstr.htm
Tony's Microsoft Access Blog - http://msmvps.com/blogs/access/
For a convenient utility to keep your users FEs and other files
updated see http://www.autofeupdater.com/
Granite Fleet Manager http://www.granitefleet.com/
 
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