Epson wore out

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Alan Justice

After a year and 3 days of use, my Epson 2200 had had enough. The waste ink
pads/reservoir are full. Epson says this is "normal wear", but is not
user-serviceable. Fortunately, they will replace the printer under
warranty. Next year when this happens I'll have to pay myself for a new one
or ship it somewhere for service.

Do other makes of printer have this fatal flaw? I may be looking for a new
one in a year.
 
Alan - Almost all of the inkjet printers have the waste ink pad full
problem. I have read that the Epsons have a tube that can be rerouted
outside the case in the back and into a collecting bottle that you can
empty. The printer probably keeps a running estimate of how much ink it
dumps into the waste ink pad and signals you to take it in for servicing (to
avoid having it overflow at some point and damage your desk, carpet, etc.
I know that the Canon's have the same issue and that there are sites on the
internet with the reset codes to keep the printer going. I have read that
with the Canon printers you can get away with one reset without servicing
the pad. I have also seen instructions on how to open the case on some
Canons and replace or clean the pad as well. The Epson 2200 is fairly
costly and I don't know how easy it is to open the case without damaging the
printer. It is very nice that Epson will replace the printer under warrany
for you as this is actually a service issue and not "wear and tear", damage,
or a defect in the general sense. The whole issue of this item not being
user-servicable for the inkjets in general is a design defect from the
consumer's viewpoint and has been discussed at length on this NG in previous
months. Since it is a predictable consequence of useing the printer, and
professional servicing is often close to the cost of a new printer, it
should be designed for easy servicing. This would be the equivalent of the
car manufacturers making oil draining and replacement sufficiently difficult
that it could only be done by mechanics at the respective manufacturers'
agencies. A predictable servicing requirement that, with proper design and
a simple description in the users' manual, could be done easily at home.
 
As the printer will be well out of warranty unless you have an extended
warranty, if just a year then now is the time to consider a waste bottle and
the Epson Adjustment Program. Once you have the bottle fitted you can reset
the printer as many times as required. The 2200 is a fine piece of kit I
have the 2100 which is the UK version.

To fit a waste bottle is quite simple and requires no stripping of the
printer if care is taken. All you have to do is feed a 2mm pipe through the
air vent and with long nosed pliers or tweezers feed it up to the waste
pipe, you don't even have to cut the pipe instead gently pull it up from the
pads and feed it round the head rest and connect, then away you go. There is
a lot of info out there with pictures to help if required.

My 2100 is well over four years old and still runs like the day I purchased
it. Hope this is of some help.
 
I've replied to you in private email concerning this issue.

Do you have any idea why your protection numbers came up sp quickly?
Are you going through a lot of cartridges, or doing a high quantity of
cleanings?

I would not consider this a normal result.

Art
 
It's the Media Street inks. They require lots and lots of cleaning cycles
to keep the cartridges working.
 
*HEAR YEA HEAR YE*
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*It's the Media Street inks. They require lots and lots of cleaning cycles to keep the cartridges working.


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*AINT THAT THE TRUTH*
 
To me, when an ink simply doesn't properly "work" with an Epson printer
design, they need to get back to the drawing board. Either that, or
they should warn people of the extra expense that people will likely
incur from the use of a clog-prone ink.

Maybe they should offer free waste ink pad replacement if you buy a
certain amount of ink ;-)

Art
 
You get what you pay for. MS ink is 1/5 the price of Epson (after a $300
initial investment, which I saved in just a few months). They both look
good and are archival, being the most important things. Given the problems,
it's about borderline whether to continue with them. I will suggest that
they address the waste ink problem.
 
To me, when an ink simply doesn't properly "work" with an Epson printer
design, they need to get back to the drawing board. Either that, or
they should warn people of the extra expense that people will likely
incur from the use of a clog-prone ink.
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To add comment to a previous question I asked on the newsgroup, has anyone
actually made a constructive analysis of clog-prone inks?

Terry
 
ngreplies said:
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To add comment to a previous question I asked on the newsgroup, has anyone
actually made a constructive analysis of clog-prone inks?

Terry
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I found it easier to simply move away from clog-prone printers than to
try to analyze "clog-prone" inks.

Canons and the type of inks they use are not clog prone unless left idle
for a few weeks. But I don't have to worry since I use both of my Canons
at least twice a week, with non Canon inks. Infrequent use is the
printer's worst enemy.

Matter of fact Measekite fears clogs so much (judging by the number of
posts he puts up) that he NEVER turns his printer off. It's always on
standby, ready to go. All nozzles throbbing. So at the slightest clog
rumor in this newsgroup or whiff of constipation from his printer, he
runs off 100 pages to cycle his ink. ;-)

-Taliesyn
 
Taliesyn said:
I found it easier to simply move away from clog-prone printers than to
try to analyze "clog-prone" inks.

Canons and the type of inks they use are not clog prone unless left idle
for a few weeks. But I don't have to worry since I use both of my Canons
at least twice a week, with non Canon inks. Infrequent use is the
printer's worst enemy.

Matter of fact Measekite fears clogs so much (judging by the number of
posts he puts up) that he NEVER turns his printer off. It's always on
standby, ready to go. All nozzles throbbing. So at the slightest clog
rumor in this newsgroup or whiff of constipation from his printer, he
runs off 100 pages to cycle his ink. ;-)

-Taliesyn
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Measekite has no fear of clogs. He is brainless and without knowledge of
printers, ink or photo paper. If you believe in evil, G_d, hell and such
things then Measekite is the incarnation of all of those. He doesn't
give-a-shit about your printer/ink problems as he probably prints about
once or twice every other month. He is a social reject. Unable to get
along in regular society and has found a home in this ng to vent his
brand of hatred for those who, unlike him, can actually socialize with
other human beings. Absent the Internet, he was a complete social
recluse unable acculturate his life in any meaningful way.
On one hand he is to be pitied while on the other hand he is pathetic.
I personally believe this is a one handed situation.
Guess which one! :-)
Frank
 
I found it easier to simply move away from clog-prone printers than to
try to analyze "clog-prone" inks.
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I don't know of any clog prone inks. I've seen the effects of some
universal inks on older canons, and gotta say the level of quality
wasnt' *as* good, but by no means did it clog the printhead. In epsons
i've seen them leak. There is some stuff at the local Big Lots that
claims to be waterproof because of it's use of solvents. That doesn't
sound all that great to me but I can't speak for it.

I can believe that use of other media might affect the printhead life.
This is a reasonable hypothesis. But I can't say that i've observed
anything that would back this up. The funny thing is, we're talking
about a product... a consumer inkjet, who's lifespan is 1 to 3 years.
Somethign that typicaly is sold with 1/2 to 2/3s it's value in ink.
We're not talking a huge investment except in consumables. We are
talking a product that is designed to be disposable. so much so that
one questions whether to buy more ink or a new printer with ink.
 
7dayshop ink for canon is shit. The fact that the cartridges are slightly
too small and just sit there rather than clipping in doesn't help. Last
time i took one out the sponges in the head were drowning in ink.
 
All of them
in message:



To add comment to a previous question I asked on the newsgroup, has anyone
actually made a constructive analysis of clog-prone inks?

Terry
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Taliesyn said:
I found it easier to simply move away from clog-prone printers than to
try to analyze "clog-prone" inks.

Canons and the type of inks they use are not clog prone unless left idle
for a few weeks. But I don't have to worry since I use both of my Canons
at least twice a week, with non Canon inks. Infrequent use is the
printer's worst enemy.
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The kid cannot afford to go on a vacation. ha ha ha
Matter of fact Measekite fears clogs so much (judging by the number of
posts he puts up) that he NEVER turns his printer off. It's always on
standby, ready to go.
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Hey shmuck, the printers are on a network 24/7. You never turn them
off. You gotta be a jackass or real stupid. Well, you are not a high
school graduate so what do you expect.
All nozzles throbbing.
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What is wrong with your Dick
 
Frank said:
I have no fear of clogs I am brainless and without knowledge of
printers, ink or photo paper. If you believe in evil, God, hell and
such things then I am the incarnation of all of those. I don't
give-a-shit about your printer/ink problems as I print about once or
twice every other month. I am a social reject. Unable to get along in
regular society and I found a home in this ng to vent my brand of
hatred for those who, unlike me, can actually socialize with other
human beings. Absent the Internet, I was a complete social recluse
unable acculturate his life in any meaningful way.
On one hand I am to be pitied while on the other hand I am pathetic.
I personally believe this is a one handed situation.
Guess which one! :-)
Frank
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I DO AGREE WITH FRANKIE CRANKIE DA COCKROACH JERKOFF WID A BROWN NOSE
SMELLING OF THE SHIT THAT COMES OUT OF HIS MOUT
 
My original post on this thread did not concern a cheap consumer inkjet, but
an Epson 2200 (US$650). Okay, maybe a cheap pro printer. But I can't be
replacing it every year because of clogged jets. My impression is that my
problem here has to do with the non-Epson inks I use (Media Street) with a
reservoir system. Perhaps it has to do with the fact that the cartridges
don't get replaced, normally.
 
ian lincoln said:
7dayshop ink for canon is shit. The fact that the cartridges are slightly
too small and just sit there rather than clipping in doesn't help. Last
time i took one out the sponges in the head were drowning in ink.
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Come on! It's obvious to me (and probably to others) that you've been
supplied with the wrong cartridges.
I've dealt with 7dayshop.com with no problems.
I've had good and cheap Epson compatible cartridges from Touchstone
Resources, www.printcartridge.net.

Sylvain.
 
Alan said:
My original post on this thread did not concern a cheap consumer inkjet, but
an Epson 2200 (US$650). Okay, maybe a cheap pro printer. But I can't be
replacing it every year because of clogged jets. My impression is that my
*problem here has to do with the non-Epson inks*
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IT CERTAINLY DOES. BUT THERE IS A CHURCH IN THIS NG AND THEIR BIBLE IS
AFTERMARKET INKS. YOU FOUND OUT THE TRUTH.
 
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