Epson R1880 ink usage

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Gordon MacPherson

Hi,
Can anyone tell me roughly how many 8x10 prints (e.g. landscapes) the
R1800 will do before the ink cartridges need replacement?

Thanks,

Gordon
 
Impossible to answer because colors get used at different rates.
My estimate is about twenty before you start replacing cartridges.
The gloss optimizer lasts the longest . . .
If you are looking for the high quality this printer provides then you are
at the mercy of Epson.
 
I have had a R1800 for over a year and I don't have a clue. All the
cartridges don't empty at the same time. Cyan disappears first. Some
colors last. I suspect ink may cost $2 for a 8X10 print. Usually you print
several before you are happy. Printing at home costs much more than having
it printed at Wal-Mart. Brand new cartridges would probably only print 3 or
4 13X19 prints before some of them would need replacing. It is a great
printer. Best for low volume or else ink will cost you.
 
Well if the landscapes are trees you will need to replace the greens
more frequently but if you live by the Ocean than the blues will give
out first. Light photos will offer more prints than dark photos.
 
Pat said:
I have had a R1800 for over a year and I don't have a clue. All the
cartridges don't empty at the same time. Cyan disappears first. Some
colors last. I suspect ink may cost $2 for a 8X10 print. Usually you print
several before you are happy.

That is why you should make small proofs.
Printing at home costs much more than having
it printed at Wal-Mart.

Steak costs more than hot dogs.
 
bmoag said:
Impossible to answer because colors get used at different rates.
My estimate is about twenty before you start replacing cartridges.
The gloss optimizer lasts the longest . . .

See, there is exactly the problem! It *is* impossible to answer.

"The gloss optimzer lasts the longest . . ." is only true if
you 1) don't print high quality glossy photographs, or 2) do
something to reduce the use of gloss optimizer! If the GO is
set to do what Epson says it should do, you'll be replacing it a
3 times the rate of anything else!

On the other hand... I'm not so sure I care what Epson says it
should do, and have reduced the "coverage" from 100% to 20%, and
while I suppose it actually does reduce quality in a way that can
be measured, I'm not concerned about it!

Anyway, the point is that it all depends on what you print.
If you are looking for the high quality this printer provides then you are
at the mercy of Epson.

And unfortunately trying to use non-Epson ink is a crap shoot at
best. First, it may destroy the print heads. Second the prints
might fade in 3-4 years instead of 100 years. Third, you can't
know until it is too late...
 
That is why you should make small proofs.
Steak costs more than hot dogs.

Oscar Mayer Beef Franks - $4.59/pound safeway
Ranchers Reserve Beef Cubed Steak $4.49/lb Safeway

Not that i'm a big fan of american steak. It's so flavorless. beef
heart I am a fan of, and that fetches well under the cost of hotdogs,
and that's pure tender meat for under $2.50/pound. You want a beef
stirfry... try beef heart.
 
Pat said:
I have had a R1800 for over a year and I don't have a clue. All the
cartridges don't empty at the same time. Cyan disappears first. Some
colors last. I suspect ink may cost $2 for a 8X10 print. Usually you print
several before you are happy. Printing at home costs much more than having
it printed at Wal-Mart. Brand new cartridges would probably only print 3 or
4 13X19 prints before some of them would need replacing. It is a great
printer. Best for low volume or else ink will cost you.
Based on US prices, about $1.00 per 8 x 10 should be about right.
About 40 8x10's before the first cartridge change - and as you say,
probably cyan. YMMV - but 3 or 4 a3+ prints is way too low.

Having to print several before you are happy (assuming that you find a
need to make adjustments) indicates that you have some workflow / colour
management issues. It's not easy to get this aspect nailed, and the
same applies to any printer. I wasted a lot of ink in the first 6
months or so of use. I'm now more than 90% confident that I can nail a
print to match what I see on screen first time. On occasions where I
print large panoramas, I'll crop a section a run a small test print on
the same paper, and double check monitor calibration.
 
Floyd said:
See, there is exactly the problem! It *is* impossible to answer.

"The gloss optimzer lasts the longest . . ." is only true if
you 1) don't print high quality glossy photographs, or 2) do
something to reduce the use of gloss optimizer! If the GO is
set to do what Epson says it should do, you'll be replacing it a
3 times the rate of anything else!
That's incorrect. The GO is applied only to highlight areas of the
print - not all over. You can see this clearly if you switch it off in
the driver - the printed area look exactly the same as if GO was
switched on - the gloss differential is only apparent in unprinted areas
/ white areas of the print.
On the other hand... I'm not so sure I care what Epson says it
should do, and have reduced the "coverage" from 100% to 20%, and
while I suppose it actually does reduce quality in a way that can
be measured, I'm not concerned about it!

Anyway, the point is that it all depends on what you print.

I was unaware that there was any way to reduce GO application. The
driver seems to allow either auto (applying to printed area only) full
(applying to the sheet of paper - so the print border has the same gloss
level as the printed area), and off.
And unfortunately trying to use non-Epson ink is a crap shoot at
best. First, it may destroy the print heads. Second the prints
might fade in 3-4 years instead of 100 years. Third, you can't
know until it is too late...
Agree totally.
If ink cost is a killer because of print volume, then a wide format
printer like the new 3800 with 80ml cartridges may be the way to go.
 
frederick said:
That's incorrect.

It is correct. But what you think you are reading isn't what I
think I'm saying... a common enough problem!
The GO is applied only to highlight areas of
the print - not all over.

It is applied to even out the amount of ink deposited. Hence if
other inks are not "100%", then GO is applied sufficient to
result in "100%" coverage. Basically, the less other inks are
used the more the GO will be used.
You can see this clearly if you
switch it off in the driver - the printed area look exactly the
same as if GO was switched on - the gloss differential is only
apparent in unprinted areas / white areas of the print.

Exactly. Now consider what the effect of that is!
I was unaware that there was any way to reduce GO application.
The driver seems to allow either auto (applying to printed area
only) full (applying to the sheet of paper - so the print border
has the same gloss level as the printed area), and off.

The Gutenprint driver for the CUPS printing system used on Linux
and other unix OS's allows adjustment of GO just the same as it
allows adjustment of other inks. I just changed it from 1.000
to 0.200, which means it will settle for 20% ink coverage. Pure
white areas are glossed, but 50 percent gray areas are not...
Agree totally.
If ink cost is a killer because of print volume, then a wide
format printer like the new 3800 with 80ml cartridges may be the
way to go.

Ouch.
 
Floyd said:
It is correct. But what you think you are reading isn't what I
think I'm saying... a common enough problem!


It is applied to even out the amount of ink deposited. Hence if
other inks are not "100%", then GO is applied sufficient to
result in "100%" coverage. Basically, the less other inks are
used the more the GO will be used.


Exactly. Now consider what the effect of that is!


The Gutenprint driver for the CUPS printing system used on Linux
and other unix OS's allows adjustment of GO just the same as it
allows adjustment of other inks. I just changed it from 1.000
to 0.200, which means it will settle for 20% ink coverage. Pure
white areas are glossed, but 50 percent gray areas are not...

aaahhh...
That you used Linux you didn't explain. Although I've used Linux with
other printers, not with my R1800. Primary reason for that is that I use
ICC profiles and third party papers. I even use Gimp in preference to PS
for all editing as I shoot raw and do all colour/exposure correction
with the RAW converter, and find Gimp easier to use. But I use PS for
printing.
 
A major factor is - how often do you use the printer? If you don't use it
frequently, maintenance cycles on power-up will consume a lot of the ink -
some estimates suggest as much as half the ink in some cartridges can be
used up this way. And every time a new cartridge is installed, the other
cartridges contribute ink to flush the head.

Of course the other factor is what the balance of colour usage is with your
photography.

Unfortunately, without special simulation testing of ink depletion,
mimicking typical usage over a long period of time, your question is a bit
like asking how long a piece of string is.

Ian

Digital Photography Now
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Digital said:
A major factor is - how often do you use the printer? If you don't use it
frequently, maintenance cycles on power-up will consume a lot of the ink -
some estimates suggest as much as half the ink in some cartridges can be
used up this way. And every time a new cartridge is installed, the other
cartridges contribute ink to flush the head.

Of course the other factor is what the balance of colour usage is with your
photography.

Unfortunately, without special simulation testing of ink depletion,
mimicking typical usage over a long period of time, your question is a bit
like asking how long a piece of string is.

Ian

Digital Photography Now
http://dpnow.com
It's been done by quite a few users monitoring usage over extended
periods, and the figure of about US$1 per 10x8, based on US ink prices
is about par for the course. Duty cycle, paper types used, colour
density etc of images all have an impact, but as a ballpark figure that
one seems pretty good.
The flushing of ink on cartridge changes is a known quantity - 3.09
grams total (0.386 grams per colour). As such, sometimes it's a
reasonable option to swap out a nearly empty cartridge when one is
empty, but it's nowhere near the stupid statements that are posted by
some saying to replace all cartridges with less than half etc.
A once respectable UK based magazine "PC Pro" ran some tests on the
R1800, after collaborating with Hewlett Packard shills - Spencer Lab of
NY, who knew exactly how to make the Epson look very bad compared to an
HP model that had printhead-in-cartridge design. They suggested that
the tester remove all the cartridges at regular intervals (daily IIRC)
and weigh them in order to assess yield per gram of ink for a typical
user. Add 3g per day wastage to ink usage, plus the additional waste
from cleaning cycles dealing with inevitable clogs if near empty
cartridges are inserted (as the risk of air entrainment is higher, and
the printer suspends auto-cleaning if it detects that one cartridge will
run dry), and the appalling result that they created was understandable.
Of course showing that one of HP's greediest ink guzzlers was cheaper to
run was the objective of HP/Spencer and (to give them the benefit of
doubt - dimwitted rather than corrupt) PC Pro "experts". AFAIK they
have failed to respond to criticism of their "lab test" or publish a
retraction. Perhaps they were embarrassed by the possibility that they
were "taken in" by Spencer Lab, when at the time it was patently obvious
from visiting their website that their sole reason for existing was to
create biased test methodologies, conduct tests, and prepare reports for
use by HP marketing.
 
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