Epson 4870 examples

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Further to the message...
I have to fit in the things I do on the Internet with my work load. I
quickly posted these pages as I left for work. The Scanner pics are not
taken yet!.
Douglas
 
Douglas said:
Hi all.
I have spent the last two weeks trying to grapple with Epson's poor advise
and this scanner. I finally got it performing properly and had some 40" x
60" prints made from the scans... Read all about it here!
http://www.technoaussie.com/review_4870.htm
Douglas,
either your comments on this page have completely lost me or your
arithmetic is wanting - I am not sure which!

You have a W2K system with 1Gb of RAM and Whinedoze wants to set a
default pagefile of 1.5x this. 1Gb is 1024Mb. On my calculator you
need a pagefile size of 1.5Gb, ie. 1.5 x 1024Mb which is 1536Mb of disk
space, well below the 4095Mb limit that W2K has per drive.

Contrary to your suggestion, therefore, it would appear that you have to
be a lot more than a mathematician to conclude that you can't do this
all on one drive. ;-)

In addition, the 8095Mb pagefile size you have ultimately ended up with
considerably greater than the 1.5x RAM recommendation, being 8x the
available RAM. If anyone owes you an apology it would appear to be your
mathematics teacher, not Epson! ;-)
 
You're right Kennedy.
8 thousand megabytes is 8 gigabytes.
Still doesn't answer why the scanner won't work with less pagefile size.
Epson still owe me an apology for making me replace a power supply ($40)
Install a new mainboard ($165) and buy a firewire card ($25) plus a firewire
cable ($20) before I could scan at the scanner's potential.

The parts are all in another PC now and working properly. Pretty poor stuff
from Epson. You're right though, I should do more math but I'm an artist and
photographer. I use charts and images. I still measure in imperial
dimensions. Kilo, Mega and Giga are to me, just an added layer of confusion
bloody minded intellectuals have introduced to confuse me.
I hope you aren't one, Kennedy?

Douglas

Kennedy McEwen said:
Douglas,
either your comments on this page have completely lost me or your
arithmetic is wanting - I am not sure which!

You have a W2K system with 1Gb of RAM and Whinedoze wants to set a
default pagefile of 1.5x this. 1Gb is 1024Mb. On my calculator you
need a pagefile size of 1.5Gb, ie. 1.5 x 1024Mb which is 1536Mb of disk
space, well below the 4095Mb limit that W2K has per drive.

Contrary to your suggestion, therefore, it would appear that you have to
be a lot more than a mathematician to conclude that you can't do this
all on one drive. ;-)

In addition, the 8095Mb pagefile size you have ultimately ended up with
considerably greater than the 1.5x RAM recommendation, being 8x the
available RAM. If anyone owes you an apology it would appear to be your
mathematics teacher, not Epson! ;-)
--
Kennedy
Yes, Socrates himself is particularly missed;
A lovely little thinker, but a bugger when he's pissed.
Python Philosophers (replace 'nospam' with 'kennedym' when
replying)
 
Douglas said:
You're right Kennedy.
8 thousand megabytes is 8 gigabytes.
Still doesn't answer why the scanner won't work with less pagefile size.

Probably because of the way it scans the batch - all of the image at one
time then extract the individual frames from the data.

Scanning at 4800ppi with 16bit colour results in a complete page
exceeding 8Gb of data, so it needs that swap size. Microsoft's
recommendations are based on certain assumptions as to how the pagefile
is used, swapping data and program between RAM and file transparently to
the user as they multitask between applications. Based on that
assumption, 1.5x RAM is a reasonable maximum, but not enough for your
purpose.

Most applications which generate large amounts of data would generally
write the data to a scratch file on the disk rather than write it to
memory, and expect Windows to cope with the RAM overflow - that is not
what a pagefile is there for. Photoshop does this itself as do most of
the high resolution scanner drivers, such as Nikon's and, of course,
Vuescan. Epson's scanner software should have been written that way,
using its own scratch file rather than scanning to RAM. They obviously
haven't considered how much data that their scanner is capable of
generating before control returns to the user or how that impacts on
typical sized computers. :-(
 
Problem is now resolved there are some new drivers that address this
issue, (unable to allocate memory with Digital ICE enabled, this
normally occurs when the image is transferred at the end of the
process).
Revision 2.0c Version 2.02. Should be available on the web site soon,
if not already.
EPSON do take these things seriously, however the support team are
unable to comment until a resolution has been found and tested.
 
Douglas MacDonald said:
Hi all.
I have spent the last two weeks trying to grapple with Epson's poor advise
and this scanner. I finally got it performing properly and had some 40" x
60" prints made from the scans... Read all about it here!
http://www.technoaussie.com/review_4870.htm

Douglas.

I am a computer consultant dealing mostly with hardware. I had
similar problems scanning with the Epson 3200 and 4870 and my old
computer with Win2k. Replaced the old computer with a newer one (dual
PIII motherboard, 650 Mhz), installed Win XP, problems vanished.
Microsoft has a patch for USB problems in Win XP but I doubt they
fixed the problem in Win 2K. I have Fire wire cabability but am not
using it for scanning.

The USB 2.0card is a cheap 2 port card that cost $5.00 U.S. With my
Epson 4870 scanner connected to a USB 2.0 hub in Win 2K, the scanner
would try to scan and disconnect, connected directly to the card
without the hub solved that problem.
The dual processors help everything work better.

My system is very stable when scanning at high resolutions, don't have
the rebooting problems or other concerns.

This system is not the newest, I haver newer systems for video,
however I am just trying to get the most. from my old hardware.
 
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