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Dennis Pack

There are way too many comments being made about word usage, spelling and
grammar not being proper in this newsgroup. Not everybody that posts to this
newsgroup speaks American-English, for many English isn't their first or
second common language. I differentiate between American-English and
UK-English because there are are spelling and grammatical differences.
People are coming here asking for help with a problem. If you have an answer
give it. If you don't understand what's being asked request clarification.
To belittle the person posting because of language is only showing narrow
mindedness or ignorance. We are here to help each other. Have a great
holiday season.
 
My comments were that the English spoken by MSFT purported support
professionals in India was horrendous and they are Convergys of Ohio
employees outsourced in India. I went to the source and asked MSFT to
replace them particularly since they are purporting they have begun
supporting Vista. But they won't.

I have answered questions basically without picking on the English spoken
unless someone lol made a particularly catty comment about my typos, but
sometimes Dennis you aren't sure what the question is about for a
combination of reasons.

CH
 
Dennis,

Should've been a semi-colon after "...American-English...", e.g.,
"...American English; for many..."

Mwah-ha-ha! Just kidding! Have a great holiday season.

Lang
 
- that was quite perceptive of you, though if he had done so he should have
also added a comma after 'many':
"...speaks American-English; for many, English isn't ..."



Lang Murphy said:
Dennis,

Should've been a semi-colon after "...American-English...", e.g.,
"...American English; for many..."

Mwah-ha-ha! Just kidding! Have a great holiday season.

Lang
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There are way too many comments being made about word usage, spelling and
grammar not being proper in this newsgroup. Not everybody that posts to
this newsgroup speaks American-English, for many English isn't their first
or second common language. I differentiate between American-English and
UK-English because there are are spelling and grammatical differences.
People are coming here asking for help with a problem. If you have an
answer give it. If you don't understand what's being asked request
clarification. To belittle the person posting because of language is only
showing narrow mindedness or ignorance. We are here to help each other.
Have a great holiday season.
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I quite enjoyed it - it wasn't malicious at all.
 
Dennis Pack said:
There are way too many comments being made about word usage, spelling and
grammar not being proper in this newsgroup. Not everybody that posts to
this newsgroup speaks American-English...
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Indeed. Some people speak proper English ;-)
It is quite an irony. You complain about people assuming others speak
"American English", yet you are assuming yourself that those who can speak
English are American?
How about just saying English? After all, it is not just Americans in here
:-)
 
Beck said:
Indeed. Some people speak proper English ;-)
It is quite an irony. You complain about people assuming others speak
"American English", yet you are assuming yourself that those who can speak
English are American?
How about just saying English? After all, it is not just Americans in
here :-)
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Just to clarify, I was not having a go. I appreciate what you say about
grammar-trolls. I had somebody in here just the other week try and correct
me on spelling a word when it was a correct spelling for UK English.
Merry Christmas :-)
 
Chad:
This post wasn't directed at you in any way. It was meant for the
grammar/spelling police that keep popping-up. My spelling is horrendous most
of the time, thank God for spell-check. I agree fully that some of the
questions asked are very hard to understand, that's why I added the comment
about asking for clarification. Have a great holiday season.

--
Dennis Pack
Vista x64 Enterprise
Office 2007
Chad Harris said:
My comments were that the English spoken by MSFT purported support
professionals in India was horrendous and they are Convergys of Ohio
employees outsourced in India. I went to the source and asked MSFT to
replace them particularly since they are purporting they have begun
supporting Vista. But they won't.

I have answered questions basically without picking on the English spoken
unless someone lol made a particularly catty comment about my typos, but
sometimes Dennis you aren't sure what the question is about for a
combination of reasons.

CH
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Beck:
I used the term American-English purposely since usually when I see
somebody trying to correct grammar or spelling the correction is based on
American-English. A good example is someone trying to correct the way you
spelled a word. I agree that the language is English but what a lot of
people don't understand is that there are many variations.
 
Dennis said:
Beck:
I used the term American-English purposely since usually when I
see somebody trying to correct grammar or spelling the correction is
based on American-English. A good example is someone trying to correct
the way you spelled a word. I agree that the language is English but
what a lot of people don't understand is that there are many variations.
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They'll understand it soon enough if they have to use phone activation.

Alias
 
I agree. We are here to help, not judge them. It is not our place to
correct them. These are universal newsgroups, that means we will see posts
from folks all over the globe. Not everyone speaks or understands English.
Many may use translator programs such as AltaVista's Babelfish, or perhaps
an English translator in their own language, to both write their posts and
read the replies. As we all know, such translations can make for a lot of
misinterpretations or misunderstandings on both sides of the posts.

Spelling and/or grammar errors is no big deal. Belittling them is.

Jan :)
MS MVP - Windows IE
 
Dennis Pack said:
Beck:
I used the term American-English purposely since usually when I see
somebody trying to correct grammar or spelling the correction is based on
American-English. A good example is someone trying to correct the way you
spelled a word. I agree that the language is English but what a lot of
people don't understand is that there are many variations.
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I think its a great shame that the internet is such that you had to write
the post in the first place. Its a good post and points out exactly what is
going on. But I find it really sad that we have a global medium with no
real rules, yet there are people out there who feel the need to pick at each
other for spelling or grammar. Saddos need to get a life :-)
 
There are way too many comments being made about word usage, spelling and
grammar not being proper in this newsgroup. Not everybody that posts to
this newsgroup speaks American-English, for many English isn't their first
or second common language.
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Of course you have to differentiate between correction and mocking.
The only way people who don't speak English as a first language will
learn to speak it properly is to be corrected. I know when I'm learning
a new language I appreciate being corrected since that helps me to use
the language more fluently. Some may say it's not our job to correct
non-native speakers but I say it's everyone's job to help out when they
can.

Tom Lake
 
Yeah... Translation programs are still far from perfect when it comes to
translating whole sentences instead of single words. Just try following on
your favorite one:

- Translate some text from language A to language B.
- Feed the result back to translator, translating back from B to A
- Continue until you laugh your arse off reading results.

--
Alexander Suhovey

Jan Ilacqua said:
I agree. We are here to help, not judge them. It is not our place to
correct them. These are universal newsgroups, that means we will see posts
from folks all over the globe. Not everyone speaks or understands English.
Many may use translator programs such as AltaVista's Babelfish, or perhaps
an English translator in their own language, to both write their posts and
read the replies. As we all know, such translations can make for a lot of
misinterpretations or misunderstandings on both sides of the posts.

Spelling and/or grammar errors is no big deal. Belittling them is.

Jan :)
MS MVP - Windows IE
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Tom Lake said:
Of course you have to differentiate between correction and mocking.
The only way people who don't speak English as a first language will
learn to speak it properly is to be corrected.
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That's exactly what I was going to say, just didn't know how to phrase it
better since English is not my native language.
 
Of course you have to differentiate between correction and mocking.
That's exactly what I was going to say, just didn't know how to phrase it
better since English is not my native language.
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You appear to speak it better than I!

Tom Lake
 
I didn't even get much of that from a teacher. Maybe until the third grade.
I do remember these text books (grade school) that had a lot of that. And I
couldn't get through an hour of any day without reaching for my diagramming
sentences skillset in crucial crunch situations. I know now when you're
doing a school paper if you have Word with da Ribbon and Office or any kind
of free text editor, you have a big advantage over back in the day.

There used to be a prehistoric device called a type-writer and I never
figured out the reghack on it for cut and paste.

As a special Holiday Gift for everyone, I'm making this link available, and
it should change a lot of lives.

Sentence Diagrams

by Eugene R. Moutoux

~ One Way of Learning English Grammar

http://www.geocities.com/gene_moutoux/diagrams.htm

CH


Lang Murphy said:
Dennis,

Should've been a semi-colon after "...American-English...", e.g.,
"...American English; for many..."

Mwah-ha-ha! Just kidding! Have a great holiday season.

Lang
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Chad,

I was not a good student. I got what little punctuation knowledge I have
from Strunk & White's "The Elements of Style."

And, apparently, I still don't get it right. ;-p

Lang

Chad Harris said:
I didn't even get much of that from a teacher. Maybe until the third
grade. I do remember these text books (grade school) that had a lot of
that. And I couldn't get through an hour of any day without reaching for
my diagramming sentences skillset in crucial crunch situations. I know
now when you're doing a school paper if you have Word with da Ribbon and
Office or any kind of free text editor, you have a big advantage over back
in the day.

There used to be a prehistoric device called a type-writer and I never
figured out the reghack on it for cut and paste.

As a special Holiday Gift for everyone, I'm making this link available,
and it should change a lot of lives.

Sentence Diagrams

by Eugene R. Moutoux

~ One Way of Learning English Grammar

http://www.geocities.com/gene_moutoux/diagrams.htm

CH
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