elements 3 versus 4

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I had my heart set on v3. No longer retailing in the uk. how about v4.
any comments from people who have upgraded would be appreciated. any online
reviews of version 4 too please.
 
ian said:
I had my heart set on v3. No longer retailing in the uk. how about v4.
any comments from people who have upgraded would be appreciated. any online
reviews of version 4 too please.

What does PSE3 do that has your heart set on it? If it's anything like
the difference between v2 and v3, v4 will offer incremental
improvements, some interface tweaks, and about the same overall
functionality as before. I can't think v4 would be a downgrade.
However, there are much better options out there if you're not firmly
committed to working with PSD files, Adobe-only plugins, or the one or
two PS-only tools Elements will offer. Paint Shop Pro is my favorite,
offering 90% of the power of true Photoshop for the price of Elements
(if you find a good sale). Unlike PSE3, PSP gives you full layer and
mask support, more control over brush behavior, and a much better
*fully customizable* interface. It also has a number of features that
even true Photoshop lacks, such as powerful noise removal and chromatic
aberration filters, "Clarify" (a little like low-strength/high-radius
unsharp mask), selective undo, "Art Media" painting, and a
higher-quality on-the-fly zoom function. Its main weaknesses are in
printed output (lacks PS's prepress origins), color management (the
latest version, X, supports multiple color spaces but makes you jump
through hurdles to use them), no "Layer Styles", bugginess compared to
Adobe, and little third-party support for their native PSPImage format
(usually the only way to preserve multiple layers). On the plus side,
it includes a Windows extension to display PSPImage thumbnails in
regular Windows file folders. Overall, you can produce just about any
sort of image you can imagine in PSP once you master it. X is
considerably faster and more stable than 9, but it still has a few
prominent bugs that haven't been fixed. And there are lots of signs
that Corel will be treating future versions more like "easy to use"
Elements than as a PS rival, so you might get burned down the line if
you commit to it.

Picture Window Pro is another affordable alternative. It's a bit
quirky and doesn't support non-destructive editing (layers), but it's
quick, powerful, tiny (4MB?), and has all the tools necessary to
process a photo to perfection. Ulead's PhotoImpact is the other "big
name" I've used; in its own way it's every bit as capable as the
others. I don't like the interface, and the only versions I used (v8
and 8.5/XL) were very crash-prone on two different computers. But it's
affordable and has a fair number of satisfied users.

Perhaps you had some other reason for wanting Elements 3? I'd be
interested in hearing it.

Regards,
false_dmitrii
 
Perhaps you had some other reason for wanting Elements 3? I'd be
interested in hearing it.

Regards,
false_dmitrii

I have version 2. Missing shadow and highlight, raw processing, healing
tool. Read a review that version 4 was indeed a downgrade cos they tweaked
the interface to the point where it wasn't as easy to use. Alot of the
features were simply reworked version 3 ones. In short it weren't broke so
they shouldn't have fixed it. Typically a so called 'obsolete' version can
be had for a 3rd less than the latest version. Looks like i left it too
late.

I have downloaded a 30day copy of version 4. Seems ok only it doesn't work
too well with my scanner software.

as for ulead and photoimpact psp i have used all of those. i also have
microsoft image premium 10. I am most at home with photoshop.
 
Perhaps you had some other reason for wanting Elements 3? I'd be
interested in hearing it.

Regards,
false_dmitrii

I have version 2. Missing shadow and highlight, raw processing, healing
tool. Read a review that version 4 was indeed a downgrade cos they tweaked
the interface to the point where it wasn't as easy to use. Alot of the
features were simply reworked version 3 ones. In short it weren't broke so
they shouldn't have fixed it. Typically a so called 'obsolete' version can
be had for a 3rd less than the latest version. Looks like i left it too
late.

I have downloaded a 30day copy of version 4. Seems ok only it doesn't work
too well with my scanner software.

as for ulead and photoimpact psp i have used all of those. i also have
microsoft image premium 10. I am most at home with photoshop.
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I use and like Paint Shop Pro. I've just bought PSP "X". (I don't know
which version you re familiar with.) 8 or 9 are prefectly suitable for
most purposes. Compared with Elements 2 (what I have) they are much more
useful. X adds very little that is really new or necessary and trIes to
make amateur use "easier" (as Elements 4 is supposed to) which is fine if
you like mindless correction and aren't an inveterate tweaker as I am. The
layout of X is quite good and whatever the software equivalent of
ergonomic is (intuitive?). But if you can get a sale price on PSP 9 you
are losing very little over X, aside from the "healing brush" that
Elements is supposed to contain, borrowed from Photoshop. I too would not
mind having Elements 3 and would avoid 4 because of the dumbing down from
3.

PSP X has some version of the healing tool, but I haven't tried it yet.
They also offer a trial version.

If price is an issue, be patient. I waited a while but eventually got PSP
X for $30 at Best Buy, after rebates that required I own a competing
version of something like Elements, or an earlier one of PSP. Best Buy
seems to have the best deals on PSP, although somebody in another group
mentioned a 1-week sale for $20 at Fye. Easter, Memorial Day and the 4th
of July are all coming up, when Best Buy throws their best sales. If you
buy a boxed version of X, be preparted to download 2 large patches, which
invariably accompany this product; works fine once they are applied. I
haven't seen Elements 4 for less than $50.

Me, when I buy my next computer I'm getting a Graphire 4 to go with it,
and Elements 3 comes bundled. Tablets have it all over a mouse. I
consider that the best of all possible worlds, except possibly getting the
Graphire on sale. I can wait for that to happen, too.

Brendan

Ps What do you think of PhotoImpact? I haven't bought a new version
since 6.
 
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