EGM on Revolution's graphical capabilities

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from latest EGM, in the Quarterman rumor column:

quote:

"During a recent pow-wow with game developers, the graphics that
Nintendo's next-gen system can produce are barely better than on the
Gamecube". He also mentions it was from a early dev kit."
 
from latest EGM, in the Quarterman rumor column:

quote:

"During a recent pow-wow with game developers, the graphics that
Nintendo's next-gen system can produce are barely better than on the
Gamecube". He also mentions it was from a early dev kit."
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I reckon that is utter shite, to be fairly frank. It will have significantly
better graphics, like any past step-up in generation. Of course, it *may*
well end up the least powerful when compared to the 2 other major players
machines, but it will be a huge difference when compared to the Gamecube, of
that I have no doubt at all.

No step-up in generation will ever be like the step-up to N64, as this
brought us glorious, *true* 3D, and they can't ever repeat that little
trick, but there *will* always be a significant leap in graphical prowess
with an individual company's line of machines, as there always has been, and
you can take that to the bank, mate. Either it was an early, experimental
dev-kit of sorts and, as such, no way near comparable to the eventual
machine, or they're simply talking from their rectums.

In fact, I now take all what I hear in terms of specs on up-coming machines
with a serious pinch of salt, these last few years. Once bitten with
bullshit, very much twice shy.

This particular, erm, 'nugget of wisdom', will eventually prove as credible
as the one that foretold of the amazing PSP.... that is 2-3 times the power
of PS2. Or the PS2 that was as powerful as a major Hollywood's digital
effects studio. In this case, it is the opposite of 'bigging up', but no
less bullshit. Ya catch me drift!? :\
 
from latest EGM, in the Quarterman rumor column:

quote:

"During a recent pow-wow with game developers, the graphics that
Nintendo's next-gen system can produce are barely better than on the
Gamecube". He also mentions it was from a early dev kit."
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It seems you only post negatives, these days, regarding Revolution....is it
a personal thing with Nintendo....or something? :\

I mean, I may have had a wee wobbler myself, in my post about the controller
(based only on first impressions), but I have made many positive comments
elsewhere - and also hope to be surprised even with the remote cont...erm,
controller ;). Whereas you seem to be waging a campaign of sheer negativity
against Nintendo's next system.......with comments like "it would not
surprise me, given that Nintendo's console
marketshare has dropped with every generation after the Famicom / NES", from
your above 'offering'. It's all cleverly dressed as; "so and so said this,
he said that..she said this", but it is extremely clear to me that this is
saying just as much about what you personally feel.... than what they do, if
not more.

These are all just [tired] negative rumours and nothing else, and where
there are negative rumours, there are positive rumours - but I don't see you
re-posting any of them, though. If I never knew better, which I hope I do,
I'd suspect this was anti-Nintendo trollery or something! :|
 
from latest EGM, in the Quarterman rumor column:

quote:

"During a recent pow-wow with game developers, the graphics that
Nintendo's next-gen system can produce are barely better than on the
Gamecube". He also mentions it was from a early dev kit."
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So what?
The Xbox360 isn't a big step graphically compared to the Xbox.
 
So what?
The Xbox360 isn't a big step graphically compared to the Xbox.
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I'd say the controls are a big step - who cares about the graphics.
Also, with the ability to run old nintendo software, it seems to be a
kind of 'consolidation' of their console work to date. A good thing.

Choobs
 
Sir said:
I'd say the controls are a big step - who cares about the graphics.
Also, with the ability to run old nintendo software, it seems to be a
kind of 'consolidation' of their console work to date. A good thing.
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Considering that the actual graphics hardware of the cube was good enough to
produce some stunning visuals anyway, isn't it more important to consider
what actually drives the graphics?

So yes, agreed.

D.
 
No step-up in generation will ever be like the step-up to N64, as this
brought us glorious, *true* 3D,
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What?? Apart from graphics and scale, the N64 could do nothing that PS
and Saturn could do. They created the step-up to true 3D, and the
Dreamcast made true 3D usable (N64 games seemed to average at about
5fps, after one is accustomed to modern frame-rates going back to games
like GoldenEye is torture).

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Zo

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Burnout 3)
Last game completed: Plump Pop (Taito Legends): Xbox - 08/10/2005
Currently playing: Kameo: Elements Of Power (Xbox 360)
 
Sir Chewbury Gubbins said:
I'd say the controls are a big step - who cares about the graphics.
Also, with the ability to run old nintendo software, it seems to be a
kind of 'consolidation' of their console work to date. A good thing.

Choobs
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I'm loving Revolution already......but not at all sold on the new
controller - I'm half hoping the majority of games will use the GCN
controller...with the odd 'special' game using the motion sensitive
shenanigans, that suit that kind of thing (light gun/shooters etc). That
would do me.
 
Zomoniac said:
What?? Apart from graphics and scale, the N64 could do nothing that PS and
Saturn could do. They created the step-up to true 3D, and the Dreamcast
made true 3D usable (N64 games seemed to average at about 5fps, after one
is accustomed to modern frame-rates going back to games like GoldenEye is
torture).
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For most gamers - they *knew* 3D had landed when they picked up Mario 64 and
started to play it. Previous machines, or PSX, may have been displaying 3D
graphics on a screen....but it wasn't truly *implemented* until Nintendo
made Mario 64.
 
Paul Dunn said:
Considering that the actual graphics hardware of the cube was good enough
to produce some stunning visuals anyway, isn't it more important to
consider what actually drives the graphics?
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I have quite a top quality card in my PC - it's not often that I see
anything as impressive from it as RE4 on Gamecube though. Gamecube can do
stunning visuals. I reckon Rev will be much faster and have more and better
textures though.
 
Slitheen said:
For most gamers - they *knew* 3D had landed when they picked up Mario 64 and
started to play it. Previous machines, or PSX, may have been displaying 3D
graphics on a screen....but it wasn't truly *implemented* until Nintendo
made Mario 64.
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I must have imagined Tomb Raider, Sega Rally and Ridge Racer, then.

Followups set to avoid crossposts.

Tim (tm)
 
Slitheen said:
No step-up in generation will ever be like the step-up to N64, as this
brought us glorious, *true* 3D, and they can't ever repeat that little
trick
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*True* 3D, on a 2D display? That *is* a hell of a trick, alright :)
 
Calum Benson said:
*True* 3D, on a 2D display? That *is* a hell of a trick, alright :)
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I have this out with my brother, who doesn't even allow me to say the term
3D graphics without an earful. You know what I mean! :)
 
Sir Chewbury Gubbins said:
I'd say the controls are a big step - who cares about the graphics.
Also, with the ability to run old nintendo software, it seems to be a
kind of 'consolidation' of their console work to date. A good thing.
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Damn right.. it's the ability to download and play some of the back
catalogue that puts the Revolution ahead of the others in my future shopping
list. I have a pretty decently specced PC for nice visuals (and I detest
FPS/strategy games on console controllers) - the thought of being able to
play Salamander, DKC, SMK, Goldeneye, SM64 all on the same machine
(emulators aside) on my lounge TV makes me smile a lot :) Assuming of
course it'll be running NES, SNES, N64 and GC games.

Time will tell however, there are always rumours abound about
yet-to-released technology.

One interesting article however is
http://www.megagames.com/news/html/hardware/next-genconsoles-therealdeal.shtml
which suggests the cpus in both the Xbox360 and the PS3 aren;t all they've
been hyped up to be..
 
For most gamers - they *knew* 3D had landed when they picked up Mario
64 and started to play it. Previous machines, or PSX, may have been
displaying 3D graphics on a screen....but it wasn't truly *implemented*
until Nintendo made Mario 64.
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But that doesn't make it *true* 3D, which is what you said. Yes, it may
have been technically way more impressive than what else was around,
but Jumping Jack Flash or whatever that PS1 launch title was called was
a *true* 3D platformer. That is like me saying no FPS made my jaw drop
until Doom 3, therefore it was the first *true* FPS.

--
Zo

GamerTag: Zomoniac (Pro Evo 5, Halo 2, PGR2, MotoGP, DOAU, Outrun 2,
Burnout 3)
Last game completed: Plump Pop (Taito Legends): Xbox - 08/10/2005
Currently playing: Kameo: Elements Of Power (Xbox 360)
 
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Zomoniac said:
But that doesn't make it *true* 3D, which is what you said. Yes, it may
have been technically way more impressive than what else was around,
but Jumping Jack Flash or whatever that PS1 launch title was called was
a *true* 3D platformer. That is like me saying no FPS made my jaw drop
until Doom 3, therefore it was the first *true* FPS.
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<cough. Quake <cough>


Cheers,
Rob
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Slitheen said:
For most gamers - they *knew* 3D had landed when they picked up Mario 64 and
started to play it. Previous machines, or PSX, may have been displaying 3D
graphics on a screen....but it wasn't truly *implemented* until Nintendo
made Mario 64.
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Surely gamers had 3D long before that:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battlezone
[Atari: 1980]

Most gamers knew 3D had landed in the home:
http://www.frontier.co.uk/games/elite/index.html
[Acornsoft: 1984]

Most gamers knew *solid 3D* had landed the first time they saw Zarch:
http://www.frontier.co.uk/games/zarch/index.html *
[Acornsoft?: 1987]

*Check that headline "Solid 3d - the future of games?",
erm, yeah, maybe...
 
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<cough. Quake <cough>
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What's your point? Quake came before Doom 3? Wolfenstein came before
Quake. My point is that a game being the first to impress you by doing
something doesn't mean it was the first one that did it.

--
Zo

GamerTag: Zomoniac (Pro Evo 5, Halo 2, PGR2, MotoGP, DOAU, Outrun 2,
Burnout 3)
Last game completed: Plump Pop (Taito Legends): Xbox - 08/10/2005
Currently playing: Kameo: Elements Of Power (Xbox 360)
 
What's your point? Quake came before Doom 3? Wolfenstein came before
Quake. My point is that a game being the first to impress you by doing
something doesn't mean it was the first one that did it.
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It *does* mean that it was the first to do it impressively, though :)

Choobs
 
It *does* mean that it was the first to do it impressively, though :)
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Only in the opinion of one. I was impressed by 3D long before Mario 64,
and I was impressed by FPS games long before Doom 3.

--
Zo

GamerTag: Zomoniac (Pro Evo 5, Halo 2, PGR2, MotoGP, DOAU, Outrun 2,
Burnout 3)
Last game completed: Plump Pop (Taito Legends): Xbox - 08/10/2005
Currently playing: Kameo: Elements Of Power (Xbox 360)
 
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