Effect of Ewido on startup

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I'm in the process of switching my defences. After reading all the help I've
been given here, my plan is to replace my existing Norton 2005 (AV only),
with the AVG Pro and Ewido package (plus Defender if they would all play
nicely together).

I've made a start, by installing a trial version of Ewido, but still keeping
Norton for the time being (I don't want to make too many changes at once and
confuse the issue). My first reaction was that Ewido has a very impressive
clarity of presentation, and I found it really easy to run scans, set options
etc.

But the impact at startup is considerable. My computer now takes maybe a
minute longer to start up. I tried switching off Defender's RTP, which
improved things a little, but not much. Ewido, with its 'resident shield', is
having a much bigger impact on startup time than Defender ever did.

Is there anyone out there, please, who can tell me if this is normal for
Ewido, and something one has to learn to live with?
 
Alan D said:
But the impact at startup is considerable. My computer now takes maybe a
minute longer to start up.
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I need to add a correction! (Memo: do not trust subjective evaluations of
time!) The extra time taken at startup now Ewido is installed is actually
about 30s, not a minute as I said. Still, that's a huge proportionate
increase compared to what it was before. So my question remains: is it
normal, for Ewido to add so substantially to the startup time?
 
Ewido here starts up very fast and I have installed it on 24 computers
Norton antivirus might not play nice with Ewido (all the computers I have it
on do not have Norton and they don't just have AVG). I found Norton
antivirus to not play nice with alot of programs, especially
antispyware/trojan problems.
When you take off Norton Antivirus see if things change.


robin
 
Hi Alan;

I noticed this recently in regard to the Ewido trial, and you might want to
keep it in mind. After the trial expires and Ewido defaults to an on
demand scanner only, the Ewido Guard 4.0 service still is running as an
Automatic service. You might want to reset that to Manual unless you
decide to buy the product, particularly with the startup time hit you seem
to be taking. Any comments? Seems like a logical thing to turn it to
manual instead of auto, but I'm not following any guidebook here... relying
on just some common sense instead.
 
plun said:
Maybe a little mess...a new version is out.

Ewido 4.0 is from today renamed to AVG Antispyware 7.5
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AVG also introduced a Internet Security package, (much
better then One Care.. ;) )
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Well, this puts the cat among the pigeons! Obviously I chose a really poor
time to try Ewido!

But on the face of it, this AVG Internet Security package looks exactly like
the kind of thing I'm looking for, with an improved version of Ewido as part
of an integrated system. (And the price of the whole thing, with a 1 year
subscription, is only very little more than the price of renewing my Norton
2005 subscription!)

I'll read the user manual, and then review my situation. Thanks for these
comments, everyone, and thanks for alerting me to this, Plun.
 
Alan D said:
I'll read the user manual, and then review my situation.
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Well, this is not good. Pages and pages of the user manual are completely
incomprehensible to me, full of terms like 'proxy server' and 'shell
extensions' and goodness knows what else. The simple clarity and elegance
(both visually and textually) that so impressed me about Ewido has been
completely ruined in this combined version - just swallowed up in technospeak
and visual clutter. There is absolutely no way I could set up this system and
feel confident that I'd done so correctly. In fact, I'd be almost certain to
get it all wrong. And I haven't even started reading about the firewall yet,
which looks even worse.

So... AVG Internet Security is no use to me, and at this point I give up.
I'm going to renew my Norton 2005 subscription, switch off Ewido and just use
it for manual scans, and keep my fingers crossed, in the (steadily
diminishing) hope that I can find an internet security system that I can
actually understand sometime during the next year.

Thanks for all your help, everyone. But I'm right back at square one, now.
 
Alan said:
Thanks for all your help, everyone. But I'm right back
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at square one, now.

Hi

Well this is maybe a mess but with todays situation with
complex malwares ie Worms, Trojans
and Spyware it´s probably better to use a security package.

NIS2005 is a "trap" because you don´t have any module for
unwished programs and a lot of ad/spyware.

Take a look at NIS 2007

http://www.symantec.com/home_homeoffice/products/overview.jsp?pcid=is&pvid=nis2007

F-Secure 2007

http://www.f-secure.com/home_user/products_a-z/fsis2007.html

TrendMicro PC Cillin 2007 is also coming out soon
(excellent support in UK, Sweden belongs to EMEA UK)

http://uk.trendmicro-europe.com/enterprise/about_us/spresse.php?id=412

I have tested F-Secure 2007 and PC Cillin 2007 and they are
both great products.

And then you also have MS One Care
http://www.windowsonecare.com/


So for me it´s a natural way to go to 1 package which just
works, 1 GUI, 1 update
and so on.

If I choose NIS, F-Secure or PC Cillin i also uninstall
Windows Defender. It´s better to double check with a online
scanner if something is strange or suspicious.


regards
plun
 
alan, if you are real parinoid you can uninstall Ewido (which you would have
to do anyway) and install AVG spyware 7.5 which is Ewido updated.
Then you can either do the suite or just do do AVG Pro seperately
robin
 
robin said:
alan, if you are real parinoid you can uninstall Ewido (which you would have
to do anyway) and install AVG spyware 7.5 which is Ewido updated.
Then you can either do the suite or just do do AVG Pro seperately
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It's not that I'm paranoid, Robin; it's simply that there are large chunks
of the manual that I don't understand, and it's brought me to a complete halt.

However, I haven't given up, quite, yet. I see that it's possible to buy
their 'Antimalware' package, which doesn't have the firewall. So... I'm
looking at the possibility that I could run this with the Windows firewall,
as I do now.

(There's no point in my having the AVG firewall, since I can see from the
manual that I'd never be able to set it up. It's kind of funny in a desperate
sort of way, that in the illustrated example they give when they talk about
selecting which services should be allowed to access the internet, there is
not even ONE of the services in the illustration for which I could give an
answer. 'DHCP protocol client'? 'ICMP network diagnostics'? How could I
know? How could ANY ordinary human being know?)

Back to the point, trying to keep calm. I've now been looking at the user
manual for just the Antimalware package, so at least I don't have to worry
about the firewall stuff. But there are still all these pages about shell
extensions, and proxy servers, and setting up internet connections for
updates, and web addresses for updates, and lord knows what else. There's
none of this with Norton. Doesn't AVG know where to find its own updates?

It seems amazing that the people who sold Ewido (so clear, so beautifully
straightforward) could replace it with something as unintelligible as this.
What worries me is this: if I uninstall Norton, and install AVG antimalware
instead, I'm afraid that I'll end up with no protection at all - because I
won't know how to set up these confounded shell extensions, dial-up
configurations etc, etc.

My big question is (please, please somebody, give me a clear yes or no
answer, if you can): do I NEED to know? Are my fears unfounded? If I install
AVG Antimalware and follow through its basic set-up wizard, will that be good
enough for it to scan properly and update itself correctly? Will it be as
simple as it has always been with Norton?
 
Alan there is nothing really to set up in AVG Firewall- it basically sets up
itself.
It goes through a step by step and automatically adds the programs it feels
it needs and when you need more it will pop up with a box asking you if you
want to allow it. In fact it is less complicated than Norton Firewall and I
had both so I know.

and if you need some help I will send you instructions on what to put in the
configurations.

If you are really afraid to use AVG Firewall then just run windows firewall
as long as you have service pak 2 but understand if you get something and it
wants to "phone home" it will get out because Windows Firewall only protects
you from stuff trying to come in.

Alan I just put on the avg anitspyware program on 5 computers (2 running
Pro- 3 running free) 1 client computer running Pro that I installed 2 days
ago before the new version came out and I am about to fix that one now)
which is EWIDO.
Ewido had merged a few mths ago with AVG and in their newsgroup they have
been
discussing this newer version. Ewido had a few bugs and since AVG took it
over they were in the process of fixing these bugs and were planning to come
out with a new version with their label on it anyway. I am on this forum
and I also was waiting for the newer version. It was suppose to come out
sometime this month but I was not sure when.

When you install the avg antispyware it will uninstall the Ewido version you
have for you. tell you to reboot. You just basically missed a day, that is
all.
It is EXACTLY the same as version 4- the only difference is the icon is AVG
not Ewido but everything works exactly the same.
 
robin said:
Alan there is nothing really to set up in AVG Firewall- it basically sets up
itself.
It goes through a step by step and automatically adds the programs it feels
it needs and when you need more it will pop up with a box asking you if you
want to allow it. In fact it is less complicated than Norton Firewall and I
had both so I know.
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Well, you're very persuasive, Robin! I think what you're telling me is that
if I just go ahead and follow the wizards, I should be ok - yes? (And I
suppose if I get into a complete mess with the firewall, I can switch it off!)

OK, OK. I'll install the whole security suite and see what happens (I'd
rather face a stampede of angry buffalo, I think!)

Just one thing. I presume that the best way to remove Norton IS to use the
Norton removal tool - is it? (I mean, instead of using add/remove programs?)

Robin - you also suggested using Ccleaner to remove all traces of Symantec
afterwards - but am I right in supposing that would require using the
registry cleaner? But I really, really, really don't want to use a registry
cleaner. Or did you mean something else that Ccleaner can do that I'm not
aware of? (I often use it to clear out general clutter, but never use it on
the registry.)
 
Alan D said:
Well, you're very persuasive, Robin! I think what you're telling me is
that
if I just go ahead and follow the wizards, I should be ok - yes? (And I
suppose if I get into a complete mess with the firewall, I can switch it
off!)

OK, OK. I'll install the whole security suite and see what happens (I'd
rather face a stampede of angry buffalo, I think!)

Just one thing. I presume that the best way to remove Norton IS to use the
Norton removal tool - is it? (I mean, instead of using add/remove
programs?)
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Use add/remove then run the tool. If Norton did not remove it all the tool
will.
In Reg Cleaner in Registry- just click on Obsolete Applications-nothing else
and see if Norton is in that and that you can delete.

Also AVG antipsyware is coming out with an updated issue because they did
not put the "help" in this one, which you will be able to install over this
one. I will let you know in here when it comes out.

robin
 
robin said:
Use add/remove then run the tool. If Norton did not remove it all the tool
will.
In Reg Cleaner in Registry- just click on Obsolete Applications-nothing else
and see if Norton is in that and that you can delete.
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It may seem only a small thing, but just those simple statements giving the
appropriate sequence are really helpful to me. Thank you.

OK. I've downloaded the complete AVG internet security suite. I've tidied up
my system, deleted a heap of useless stuff, and defragmented the hard drive,
in readiness for the big event: the removal of Norton and installation of AVG.

If you don't hear from me again, you'll know the firewall got me......
 
btw the newest version will com out as an update not as a standalone
and ALAN you here??
Answer us if you got the firewall to work
robin
 
So did you survive?
robin
Alan D said:
It may seem only a small thing, but just those simple statements giving
the
appropriate sequence are really helpful to me. Thank you.

OK. I've downloaded the complete AVG internet security suite. I've tidied
up
my system, deleted a heap of useless stuff, and defragmented the hard
drive,
in readiness for the big event: the removal of Norton and installation of
AVG.

If you don't hear from me again, you'll know the firewall got me......
Click to expand...
 
robin said:
So did you survive?
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Yes Robin, thanks! Here I am!

Getting rid of Norton was an eye-opening exercise. The sheer length of time
it took for NAV2005 to uninstall was bewildering, and then Live Update
wouldn't let me remove it! So I used the Removal Tool (the 'use at your own
risk' advisory note doesn't inspire confidence in it!) which did the rest of
the job, in fact, with nothing apparently left for Ccleaner to mop up. But
fancy publishing software that has a high risk of not being uninstallable? By
the end of the process I was relieved to see the back of it.

I got into all sorts of trouble with the AVG configuration wizard. The
firewall configuration was fine, to my surprise (I didn't understand a word
of it and just kept clicking 'next', but it seemed to be enough). But all
hell broke loose when I tried to follow the wizard to get updates. The AOL
dial-up software protested when I tried to start it up, and crashed, with a
whole mass of AVG and AOL windows spattered over the screen. I stopped the
wizard and set everything up the hard way - but again, AOL kept crashing
every time the firewall asked permission for each AOL component to access the
internet.

However, after many hours of struggle, I made it back online (ironically,
the AOL software says it can't detect my firewall!!). The Gibson Research
Shields Up test gives me a perfect stealth rating, so I know the firewall is
working OK.

I think what I'll do is start a new thread about this AVG Internet Security
suite somewhere and add comments about it as I go along. At the moment
Defender is switched off (one thing at a time), so I don't know yet how they
play together. Not sure where best to start it - App Compatibility?
Announcements? See you somewhere over there, anyway.
 
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I got into all sorts of trouble with the AVG configuration wizard. The
firewall configuration was fine, to my surprise (I didn't understand a
word
of it and just kept clicking 'next', but it seemed to be enough). But all
hell broke loose when I tried to follow the wizard to get updates. The AOL
dial-up software protested when I tried to start it up, and crashed, with
a
whole mass of AVG and AOL windows spattered over the screen. I stopped the
wizard and set everything up the hard way - but again, AOL kept crashing
every time the firewall asked permission for each AOL component to access
the
internet.
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I do love AOL <g> . Make sure you permently allow it- that could be why it
kept popping up
You might have to find all the AOL exe's and put them in the firewall.

Click on the icon in the right corner of your taskbar to open the program
Highlight AVG Firewall
Go down to the bottom and click on the Configure Button
Go into Applications
Look for AOL and make sure there is a green check mark next to it and it
says "Allow" at the bottom of this window-not ASK.
If AOL is still giving you problems you might have to go into Program
Files/AOL and add all the exe's related to AOL in the firewall part of AVG.
However, after many hours of struggle, I made it back online (ironically,
the AOL software says it can't detect my firewall!!). The Gibson Research
Shields Up test gives me a perfect stealth rating, so I know the firewall
is
working OK.
Good

I think what I'll do is start a new thread about this AVG Internet
Security
suite somewhere and add comments about it as I go along. At the moment
Defender is switched off (one thing at a time), so I don't know yet how
they
play together. Not sure where best to start it - App Compatibility?
Announcements? See you somewhere over there, anyway.
Click to expand...

robin
 
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