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A friend wants to move away from OE. I use Pegasus but he finds it a
little intimidating and plain (meaning not glitzy). He does like the
ability to know when a message is opened at the other end which Pegasus
does automatically. Any other mainstream clients that do this? How
about Foxmail? Thanks.

Ben
 
Le Thu, 6 May 2004 10:52:24 -0400, ben a écrit :
A friend wants to move away from OE. I use Pegasus but he finds it a
little intimidating and plain (meaning not glitzy). He does like the
ability to know when a message is opened at the other end which Pegasus
does automatically. Any other mainstream clients that do this? How
about Foxmail? Thanks.
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Foxmail, like many other email clients, support read-receipts features but
there will never be any guaranty that all recipients wants to send a
receipt...
Ben
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Le Thu, 6 May 2004 10:52:24 -0400, ben a écrit :


Foxmail, like many other email clients, support read-receipts features but
there will never be any guaranty that all recipients wants to send a
receipt...
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But Pegasus does it automatically i.e. the receiver is not aware that
opening the e-mail is transmitted back to the sender.

Ben
 
ben said:
But Pegasus does it automatically i.e. the receiver is not aware that
opening the e-mail is transmitted back to the sender.

Ben
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How is this possible?
 
badgolferman said:
How is this possible?
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Is this because you are using it in an office environment where the
local server is contolling the messaging; ie. Lotus?
 
On Thu, 6 May 2004 11:36:06 -0400, ben wrote...
But Pegasus does it automatically i.e. the receiver is not aware that
opening the e-mail is transmitted back to the sender.
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How?
 
In (e-mail address removed), this is what badgolferman had to say :

<SNIP!>

|| But Pegasus does it automatically i.e. the receiver is not aware that
|| opening the e-mail is transmitted back to the sender.
||
|| Ben
|
| How is this possible?

Maybe it uses a web bug - a tiny invisible graphic hosted on a server. The
receiver doesn't know that a small graphic embedded in the email has been
downloaded and the time and date of the download from the recipient's PC is
notified to the Sender.

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Op Thu, 6 May 2004 10:52:24 -0400 schreef ben:
A friend wants to move away from OE. I use Pegasus but he finds it a
little intimidating and plain (meaning not glitzy). He does like the
ability to know when a message is opened at the other end which Pegasus
does automatically. Any other mainstream clients that do this? How
about Foxmail? Thanks.
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Mozilla Thunderbird <http://www.mozilla.org/products/thunderbird/>
Excellent e-mail client. Supports read conformation.
 
But Pegasus does it automatically i.e. the receiver is not aware that
opening the e-mail is transmitted back to the sender.

Ben
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I sincerely hope you're wrong - that sounds as immoral as blind copies

mike
 
A friend wants to move away from OE. I use Pegasus but he finds it a
little intimidating and plain (meaning not glitzy). He does like the
ability to know when a message is opened at the other end which Pegasus
does automatically. Any other mainstream clients that do this? How
about Foxmail? Thanks.

Ben
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Mail clients can use 2 different verification routines. One is
verification of receipt and the other is verification of reading (actual
mail opening). If the receiving mail server accepts the mail you will get
a receipt verification - even if it is deleted off of the server later or
filtered by SPAM filters. The read receipt is produced by the receiving
mail program and in every case that I know of can be turned off. ie
Pegasus-->Tools-->Options__>General Settings-->Advanced Settings-->"Accept
requests to confirm reading"

hth

Dud
 
How is this possible?
Maybe it uses a web bug - a tiny invisible graphic hosted on a
server. The receiver doesn't know that a small graphic embedded in
the email has been downloaded and the time and date of the download
from the recipient's PC is notified to the Sender.
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I think I see what it does. It delivers a message to you saying the
message has been delivered to the ISP. When the user downloads the
message, a separate read confirmation is requested from them to be
delivered to you, depending upon the options the sender (you) have
selected.
 
On 06 May 2004, ben wrote
A friend wants to move away from OE. I use Pegasus but he finds it
a little intimidating and plain (meaning not glitzy). He does
like the ability to know when a message is opened at the other end
which Pegasus does automatically.
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Are you sure that Pegasus is obtaining a "read/opened" verification,
rather than a "successfully delivered to recipient" confirmation?
 
Le Thu, 6 May 2004 18:28:44 +0000 (UTC), mike ring a écrit :
I sincerely hope you're wrong - that sounds as immoral as blind copies
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Pegasus users can refuse request to "confirm reading" with tools menu >
options > general settings > advanced settings...

it's also possible to not send read receipts requests :-) (don't check
"confirm reading" in compose dialog)

Pegasus seems to use a proprietary read receipts feature (novell netware
messaging system compatible) and it will not be compliant with Foxmail or
thunderbird or other email client using Disposition-Notification-To: as
defined in RFC 2298
mike
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On 06 May 2004, ben wrote


Are you sure that Pegasus is obtaining a "read/opened" verification,
rather than a "successfully delivered to recipient" confirmation?
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I would think it's a successfully delivered to recipient confirmation.
My wording in original was misleading.

Ben
 
On 06 May 2004, ben wrote
I would think it's a successfully delivered to recipient
confirmation. My wording in original was misleading.
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Ah; thanks -- I'd *love* to locate a "this has been read" facility in
an e-mail client, and wondered if Pegasus had found the trick... ;)
 
Pegasus users can refuse request to "confirm reading" with tools menu >
options > general settings > advanced settings...
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I don't have a problem with requesting receipts, in these sad days of spam
traps everywhere it sometimes seems essential - it's not letting the
recipient know that you know that they've received it that seems wrong.

But I guess I'm old <sigh>

mike
 
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But Pegasus does it automatically i.e. the receiver is not
aware that opening the e-mail is transmitted back to the
sender.
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No, it doesn't. It can only use Return Receipt, and only if
the receiving client supports it. And the RR settings are
determined on the receiving ends. There is no way for Pegasus
to override this at the other end.



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