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What is the difference between a Dynamic Template and the 12 Table Layout
choices presented when I click new page and the page templates displayed when
I select More page templates...
 
Bill,

They are just different methods to create a page. I would recommend that you purchase a good book such as Jim Buyen's FrontPage
Inside Out
 
Choosing a table layout (I assume I'm looking at what you are looking at in
FP2003), merely creates a new page with a bunch of prewritten HTML on it.
Once you create a new page like that, it is an independent page. You could
edit the prewritten page's markup or contents, and that would only affect
pages that you create subsequently with the FILE | New > More page templates
(I do not see 12 table layouts, however).

Dynamic Templates, however, retain a connection to their 'child' pages.
They would be used like this -

1. Create a page containing the basic layout elements you want to use on
your site, e.g., masthead, navigation, footer, cosmetic graphics, etc.
2. Save the page as a template, using FILE | Save As... > and select
Dynamic Web Template.
3. In this template, define areas in which you want to be able to enter
*page-specific content* - these are called editable regions. All parts of
the template that are not within editable regions are, by negative
inference, non-editable. Then save this template page again.
4. Create new 'child' pages from this template by right clicking on the dwt
file in your Folder list, and selecting New from Dynamic Web Template.
5. Add unique content, and save this page as a normal HTML page.

The kicker is that if you make a change to the DWT file's non-editable
regions, that change will be automatically propagated to all child pages.
This does not happen when you just select a prebuilt page layout.

Does that help?
 
Murray said, "The kicker is that if you make a change to the DWT file's non-editable regions, that change will be automatically
propagated to all child pages."

But only if the web site is a DBW.
--
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http://www.websunlimited.com
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bill


Murray said:
Choosing a table layout (I assume I'm looking at what you are looking at in
FP2003), merely creates a new page with a bunch of prewritten HTML on it.
Once you create a new page like that, it is an independent page. You could
edit the prewritten page's markup or contents, and that would only affect
pages that you create subsequently with the FILE | New > More page templates
(I do not see 12 table layouts, however).

Dynamic Templates, however, retain a connection to their 'child' pages.
They would be used like this -

1. Create a page containing the basic layout elements you want to use on
your site, e.g., masthead, navigation, footer, cosmetic graphics, etc.
2. Save the page as a template, using FILE | Save As... > and select
Dynamic Web Template.
3. In this template, define areas in which you want to be able to enter
*page-specific content* - these are called editable regions. All parts of
the template that are not within editable regions are, by negative
inference, non-editable. Then save this template page again.
4. Create new 'child' pages from this template by right clicking on the dwt
file in your Folder list, and selecting New from Dynamic Web Template.
5. Add unique content, and save this page as a normal HTML page.

The kicker is that if you make a change to the DWT file's non-editable
regions, that change will be automatically propagated to all child pages.
This does not happen when you just select a prebuilt page layout.

Does that help?

--
Murray
============




Murray you have been quite kind and patient but how is it possible for us to see such totally different screens? If I click the create new normal page icon a pane opens on the right titled Layout Tables and Cells with 3 headings: New Tables and cells (including Insert Layout Table, Insert Layout Cell, 2 drawing icons, and a disabled Show Layout tool icon/label), Table properties (all disabled) and Table layout (with a window with containing 12 layouts)
Click to expand...
It seems to me this is another case where MS is trying to automate things
that only make it more difficult. I tried it and find the resulting layout
inflexible to the point it is almost unusable. Instead of a table with cells
I have a layout table with 2 other tables nested within so I never know which
table I am in.
I had always used tables for layout but these tables are just too complicated.
i used to crete a table and redraw the cells and it was simple.
At this point I don't know what to do to who or where.
It's like drawing on gravel.
Thanks
Bill
 
Are you using FP2003? Oh - I see. I was using FILE | New, and you were
clicking on the new page icon. When I do the icon thing, then I see what
you are talking about.

At any rate, the difference is simply this -

any canned code like you get with everything except DWtemplates, is a
one-time shot for that page only. DWTemplates give you the added capability
of propagating changes throughout your child pages.
It seems to me this is another case where MS is trying to automate things
that only make it more difficult.
Click to expand...

You won't get an argument from me on that. I find the FP UI to be umm very
'in your face'. But, here's the thing - the more you know about HTML and
CSS, the less this will trouble you.
I never know which
table I am in.
Click to expand...

Dood, that's what you use the 'Tag Parade' on the top status bar for. Click
in a cell and look there. If you see -

<body> <table> <td> <table> <td>

then you know you are in a nested table.
and redraw the cells
Click to expand...

This smacks of what I think of as the "Microsoft Word" approach to web
pages. I don't mean that in a pejorative sense, but in reality, it's an
inappropriate way to build web tables (in my opinion). Again, the more you
know about HTML, the more you will be able to blow past such things....
It's like drawing on gravel.
Click to expand...

I understand your frustration.
 
I think it's latest acronym for the automagical databse thingy.

The last incarnation I think was DRW or DIR or DTW or DIW or something, and
everybody thought it sucked. So, MS changed it to DBW in the hope that
people would think it had been improved.

I think it should be named the DB-WTF.

Bob Lehmann

Murray said:
Yep - I do make that assumption.

By the way, what's a DBW? 8)
Click to expand...
 
Instead of a table with cells I have a layout table with 2 other tables
nested within

Tables within tables is a common practice, even for those who type their
HTML.

Bob Lehmann

us to see such totally different screens? If I click the create new normal
page icon a pane opens on the right titled Layout Tables and Cells with 3
headings: New Tables and cells (including Insert Layout Table, Insert Layout
Cell, 2 drawing icons, and a disabled Show Layout tool icon/label), Table
properties (all disabled) and Table layout (with a window with containing 12
layouts)
 
DBW - Disc Based Web
- as opposed to a FP SE Web


--




| Yep - I do make that assumption.
|
| By the way, what's a DBW? 8)
|
| --
| Murray
| ============
|
| | > Murray said, "The kicker is that if you make a change to the DWT file's
| > non-editable regions, that change will be automatically propagated to all
| > child pages."
| >
| > But only if the web site is a DBW.
| > --
| > Mike -- FrontPage MVP '97 - '02
| > http://www.websunlimited.com
| > FrontPage Add-ins Summer Promotion -
| > FREE Purchase J-Bots Plus 2004 & receive Meta Tag Maker 2004 a $24.95
| > value FREE
| >
| >
| >
| > | >> Choosing a table layout (I assume I'm looking at what you are looking at
| >> in FP2003), merely creates a new page with a bunch of prewritten HTML on
| >> it. Once you create a new page like that, it is an independent page. You
| >> could edit the prewritten page's markup or contents, and that would only
| >> affect pages that you create subsequently with the FILE | New > More page
| >> templates (I do not see 12 table layouts, however).
| >>
| >> Dynamic Templates, however, retain a connection to their 'child' pages.
| >> They would be used like this -
| >>
| >> 1. Create a page containing the basic layout elements you want to use on
| >> your site, e.g., masthead, navigation, footer, cosmetic graphics, etc.
| >> 2. Save the page as a template, using FILE | Save As... > and select
| >> Dynamic Web Template.
| >> 3. In this template, define areas in which you want to be able to enter
| >> *page-specific content* - these are called editable regions. All parts
| >> of the template that are not within editable regions are, by negative
| >> inference, non-editable. Then save this template page again.
| >> 4. Create new 'child' pages from this template by right clicking on the
| >> dwt file in your Folder list, and selecting New from Dynamic Web
| >> Template.
| >> 5. Add unique content, and save this page as a normal HTML page.
| >>
| >> The kicker is that if you make a change to the DWT file's non-editable
| >> regions, that change will be automatically propagated to all child pages.
| >> This does not happen when you just select a prebuilt page layout.
| >>
| >> Does that help?
| >>
| >> --
| >> Murray
| >> ============
| >>
| >> | >>> What is the difference between a Dynamic Template and the 12 Table
| >>> Layout
| >>> choices presented when I click new page and the page templates displayed
| >>> when
| >>> I select More page templates...
| >>> --
| >>> bill
| >>
| >>
| >
| >
|
|
 
Thanks, Stefan.

--
Murray
============

Stefan B Rusynko said:
DBW - Disc Based Web
- as opposed to a FP SE Web


--




| Yep - I do make that assumption.
|
| By the way, what's a DBW? 8)
|
| --
| Murray
| ============
|
| | > Murray said, "The kicker is that if you make a change to the DWT
file's
| > non-editable regions, that change will be automatically propagated to
all
| > child pages."
| >
| > But only if the web site is a DBW.
| > --
| > Mike -- FrontPage MVP '97 - '02
| > http://www.websunlimited.com
| > FrontPage Add-ins Summer Promotion -
| > FREE Purchase J-Bots Plus 2004 & receive Meta Tag Maker 2004 a $24.95
| > value FREE
| >
| >
| >
| > | >> Choosing a table layout (I assume I'm looking at what you are looking
at
| >> in FP2003), merely creates a new page with a bunch of prewritten HTML
on
| >> it. Once you create a new page like that, it is an independent page.
You
| >> could edit the prewritten page's markup or contents, and that would
only
| >> affect pages that you create subsequently with the FILE | New > More
page
| >> templates (I do not see 12 table layouts, however).
| >>
| >> Dynamic Templates, however, retain a connection to their 'child'
pages.
| >> They would be used like this -
| >>
| >> 1. Create a page containing the basic layout elements you want to
use on
| >> your site, e.g., masthead, navigation, footer, cosmetic graphics,
etc.
| >> 2. Save the page as a template, using FILE | Save As... > and select
| >> Dynamic Web Template.
| >> 3. In this template, define areas in which you want to be able to
enter
| >> *page-specific content* - these are called editable regions. All
parts
| >> of the template that are not within editable regions are, by negative
| >> inference, non-editable. Then save this template page again.
| >> 4. Create new 'child' pages from this template by right clicking on
the
| >> dwt file in your Folder list, and selecting New from Dynamic Web
| >> Template.
| >> 5. Add unique content, and save this page as a normal HTML page.
| >>
| >> The kicker is that if you make a change to the DWT file's
non-editable
| >> regions, that change will be automatically propagated to all child
pages.
| >> This does not happen when you just select a prebuilt page layout.
| >>
| >> Does that help?
| >>
| >> --
| >> Murray
| >> ============
| >>
| >> | >>> What is the difference between a Dynamic Template and the 12 Table
| >>> Layout
| >>> choices presented when I click new page and the page templates
displayed
| >>> when
| >>> I select More page templates...
| >>> --
| >>> bill
| >>
| >>
| >
| >
|
|
Click to expand...
 
so if I use the Dynamic webpage with an editable region it would be instead
of using shared borders?
it utilizes tables for that?
it's only for off-line pages?
I have been avoiding using it 'cause I had no idea what it does.
 
Yes it replaces shared borders and can use tables
No you can use it for any FP web
- but the automatic updates of DWT changes only work in Disc based webs (where you can then publish to a FP SE server based web
after the updates) or in FP webs running under WSS
- not supported on server based webs under the FP SE unless you or your host have a Windows 2003 Server with the hot fix at
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;895193

See the tutorial at http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/assistance/HA011277231033.aspx

--




| so if I use the Dynamic webpage with an editable region it would be instead
| of using shared borders?
| it utilizes tables for that?
| it's only for off-line pages?
| I have been avoiding using it 'cause I had no idea what it does.
|
|
| | > DBW - Disc Based Web
| > - as opposed to a FP SE Web
| >
| >
| > --
| >
| > _____________________________________________
| > SBR @ ENJOY (-: [ Microsoft MVP - FrontPage ]
| > "Warning - Using the F1 Key will not break anything!" (-;
| > To find the best Newsgroup for FrontPage support see:
| > http://www.net-sites.com/sitebuilder/newsgroups.asp
| > _____________________________________________
| >
| >
| > | > | Yep - I do make that assumption.
| > |
| > | By the way, what's a DBW? 8)
| > |
| > | --
| > | Murray
| > | ============
| > |
| > | | > | > Murray said, "The kicker is that if you make a change to the DWT
| > file's
| > | > non-editable regions, that change will be automatically propagated to
| > all
| > | > child pages."
| > | >
| > | > But only if the web site is a DBW.
| > | > --
| > | > Mike -- FrontPage MVP '97 - '02
| > | > http://www.websunlimited.com
| > | > FrontPage Add-ins Summer Promotion -
| > | > FREE Purchase J-Bots Plus 2004 & receive Meta Tag Maker 2004 a $24.95
| > | > value FREE
| > | >
| > | >
| > | >
| > | > | > | >> Choosing a table layout (I assume I'm looking at what you are looking
| > at
| > | >> in FP2003), merely creates a new page with a bunch of prewritten HTML
| > on
| > | >> it. Once you create a new page like that, it is an independent page.
| > You
| > | >> could edit the prewritten page's markup or contents, and that would
| > only
| > | >> affect pages that you create subsequently with the FILE | New > More
| > page
| > | >> templates (I do not see 12 table layouts, however).
| > | >>
| > | >> Dynamic Templates, however, retain a connection to their 'child'
| > pages.
| > | >> They would be used like this -
| > | >>
| > | >> 1. Create a page containing the basic layout elements you want to
| > use on
| > | >> your site, e.g., masthead, navigation, footer, cosmetic graphics,
| > etc.
| > | >> 2. Save the page as a template, using FILE | Save As... > and select
| > | >> Dynamic Web Template.
| > | >> 3. In this template, define areas in which you want to be able to
| > enter
| > | >> *page-specific content* - these are called editable regions. All
| > parts
| > | >> of the template that are not within editable regions are, by negative
| > | >> inference, non-editable. Then save this template page again.
| > | >> 4. Create new 'child' pages from this template by right clicking on
| > the
| > | >> dwt file in your Folder list, and selecting New from Dynamic Web
| > | >> Template.
| > | >> 5. Add unique content, and save this page as a normal HTML page.
| > | >>
| > | >> The kicker is that if you make a change to the DWT file's
| > non-editable
| > | >> regions, that change will be automatically propagated to all child
| > pages.
| > | >> This does not happen when you just select a prebuilt page layout.
| > | >>
| > | >> Does that help?
| > | >>
| > | >> --
| > | >> Murray
| > | >> ============
| > | >>
| > | >> | > | >>> What is the difference between a Dynamic Template and the 12 Table
| > | >>> Layout
| > | >>> choices presented when I click new page and the page templates
| > displayed
| > | >>> when
| > | >>> I select More page templates...
| > | >>> --
| > | >>> bill
| > | >>
| > | >>
| > | >
| > | >
| > |
| > |
| >
| >
|
|
 
I never do that anyway
I keep the working copy on my comp and publish any changes
my next project will have lots of photos and I need to show them in a
pleasant, easy to use interface. Now that I finally got the hang of the
shared border thing I was considering sticking with the devil I know. But,
tables may look best for this page.The DWT is an interesting idea.

I do not know anything about what is WSS or FP SE or the server's selection
of FP updates. I suppose that stuff will come on a "need to know" basis.



Stefan B Rusynko said:
Yes it replaces shared borders and can use tables
No you can use it for any FP web
- but the automatic updates of DWT changes only work in Disc based webs
(where you can then publish to a FP SE server based web
after the updates) or in FP webs running under WSS
- not supported on server based webs under the FP SE unless you or your
host have a Windows 2003 Server with the hot fix at
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;895193

See the tutorial at
http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/assistance/HA011277231033.aspx

--




| so if I use the Dynamic webpage with an editable region it would be
instead
| of using shared borders?
| it utilizes tables for that?
| it's only for off-line pages?
| I have been avoiding using it 'cause I had no idea what it does.
|
|
| | > DBW - Disc Based Web
| > - as opposed to a FP SE Web
| >
| >
| > --
| >
| > _____________________________________________
| > SBR @ ENJOY (-: [ Microsoft MVP - FrontPage ]
| > "Warning - Using the F1 Key will not break anything!" (-;
| > To find the best Newsgroup for FrontPage support see:
| > http://www.net-sites.com/sitebuilder/newsgroups.asp
| > _____________________________________________
| >
| >
| > | > | Yep - I do make that assumption.
| > |
| > | By the way, what's a DBW? 8)
| > |
| > | --
| > | Murray
| > | ============
| > |
| > | | > | > Murray said, "The kicker is that if you make a change to the DWT
| > file's
| > | > non-editable regions, that change will be automatically propagated
to
| > all
| > | > child pages."
| > | >
| > | > But only if the web site is a DBW.
| > | > --
| > | > Mike -- FrontPage MVP '97 - '02
| > | > http://www.websunlimited.com
| > | > FrontPage Add-ins Summer Promotion -
| > | > FREE Purchase J-Bots Plus 2004 & receive Meta Tag Maker 2004 a
$24.95
| > | > value FREE
| > | >
| > | >
| > | >
| > | > | > | >> Choosing a table layout (I assume I'm looking at what you are
looking
| > at
| > | >> in FP2003), merely creates a new page with a bunch of prewritten
HTML
| > on
| > | >> it. Once you create a new page like that, it is an independent
page.
| > You
| > | >> could edit the prewritten page's markup or contents, and that
would
| > only
| > | >> affect pages that you create subsequently with the FILE | New >
More
| > page
| > | >> templates (I do not see 12 table layouts, however).
| > | >>
| > | >> Dynamic Templates, however, retain a connection to their 'child'
| > pages.
| > | >> They would be used like this -
| > | >>
| > | >> 1. Create a page containing the basic layout elements you want
to
| > use on
| > | >> your site, e.g., masthead, navigation, footer, cosmetic graphics,
| > etc.
| > | >> 2. Save the page as a template, using FILE | Save As... > and
select
| > | >> Dynamic Web Template.
| > | >> 3. In this template, define areas in which you want to be able
to
| > enter
| > | >> *page-specific content* - these are called editable regions. All
| > parts
| > | >> of the template that are not within editable regions are, by
negative
| > | >> inference, non-editable. Then save this template page again.
| > | >> 4. Create new 'child' pages from this template by right clicking
on
| > the
| > | >> dwt file in your Folder list, and selecting New from Dynamic Web
| > | >> Template.
| > | >> 5. Add unique content, and save this page as a normal HTML page.
| > | >>
| > | >> The kicker is that if you make a change to the DWT file's
| > non-editable
| > | >> regions, that change will be automatically propagated to all
child
| > pages.
| > | >> This does not happen when you just select a prebuilt page layout.
| > | >>
| > | >> Does that help?
| > | >>
| > | >> --
| > | >> Murray
| > | >> ============
| > | >>
| > | >> | > | >>> What is the difference between a Dynamic Template and the 12
Table
| > | >>> Layout
| > | >>> choices presented when I click new page and the page templates
| > displayed
| > | >>> when
| > | >>> I select More page templates...
| > | >>> --
| > | >>> bill
| > | >>
| > | >>
| > | >
| > | >
| > |
| > |
| >
| >
|
|
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