Dual OS installation question

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I want to set up my PC with both Vista and XP on it. Do both OS have to
reside on the same hard drive or can they be on separate drives?
 
They can be on the same hard drive, but must be in separate NTFS partitions,
or two hard drive. I've had both set ups.
XP must be installed before Vista and I recommend you Google for either
EasyBCD or VistaBootPro to make booting between systems easier.
 
Pete said:
So if I have a system that is already loaded with Vista, I can't install XP
on it without removing Vista first?

The problem is that XP will overwrite the Master Boot Record of your
boot disk, so the next time you boot you will see only XP.

The fix is to restore Vista's boot files with the fixboot repair
facility on your Vista install DVD. (If you have an OEM version of
Vista then the problem is not so easy.)
 
Pete said:
So if I have a system that is already loaded with Vista, I can't
install XP on it without removing Vista first?
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Not impossible but complicated:

How to dual boot Vista and XP (with Vista installed first)
-- the step-by-step guide
http://www.apcstart.com/5485/dualbooting_vista_and_xp

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Hi Pete in NM--

The rule is to always install the legacy (XP in your case) OS first--because
if you don't you can have the bootloader overwrite problem outlined by the
other posters.

These KB may inform your question:

Windows Vista no longer starts after you install an earlier version of the
Windows operating system in a dual-boot configuration

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/919529/en-us

You cannot start Windows XP after you install Windows Vista in a dual-boot
configuration together with Windows XP
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/927817/en-us

Windows XP does not start on a computer that is configured for dual booting
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/315233/en-us

How to create a multiple-boot system in Windows XP
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/306559/en-us

There are some threads close to this on dual booting that answer your
question on putting XP on one partition and Vista on another as a dual boot,
but it is much safer to install XP first.

CH
 
NOT TRUE.
you can install VistaBootPro on the XP side and fix the Vista boot loader.
VistaBootPro works on both xp and vista.



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So if I have a system that is already loaded with Vista, I can't install XP
 
You can have the best of both worlds . I have xp and vista on two seperate
hard drives independent of each other. I have two sata drives. I had one
with xp installed on it and I added another one then rebooted went into
bios and turned off the xp hard drive and turned on the new sata hard drive
and installed vista clean install. Now all I have to do is reboot go into
setup and turn off the vista sata hard drive from the bios and turn on xp
sata hard drive and whala!!!! two serperate version in one compter working
independently of each other.Switch from xp to vista and visa versa...




"Chad Harris" <vistaneedsmuchowork.net> wrote in message
Hi Pete in NM--

The rule is to always install the legacy (XP in your case) OS first--because
if you don't you can have the bootloader overwrite problem outlined by the
other posters.

These KB may inform your question:

Windows Vista no longer starts after you install an earlier version of the
Windows operating system in a dual-boot configuration

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/919529/en-us

You cannot start Windows XP after you install Windows Vista in a dual-boot
configuration together with Windows XP
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/927817/en-us

Windows XP does not start on a computer that is configured for dual booting
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/315233/en-us

How to create a multiple-boot system in Windows XP
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/306559/en-us

There are some threads close to this on dual booting that answer your
question on putting XP on one partition and Vista on another as a dual boot,
but it is much safer to install XP first.

CH
 
Jeff--

Certainly another very good way to skin the cat. I imagine you avoid the
XP failure to recognize Vista restore points problem using two hard drives.
My dual boot works splendidly, but I need to use Bit Locker encryption or
another method of course if I want to actually boot to XP instead of Vista.
I rarely go to XP now, except to check that One Care is updated, that the
other updates are in, and to see that it is humming along since I have total
acess to all its folders from the Vista desktop. Early on, there were some
folders that required me adjusting permissions at the security tab--and why
some and not others is not clear to me but once I was onto that it only took
me seconds to get access. I can drag and drop my Itunes or WMP files to
either XP or Vista successfully *most of the time if I want to get certain
tunes on the Nano without ripping them again and taking up space. There
also are ways to go from the Ipod to the harddrive that work well, even
though for obvious reasons Steve Jobs isn't thrilled about this so they
don't "support" it, since you could have a group swapping ipods and more
free music. I'm betting now that if I had a true survey of people from age
10-30, that most of them steal music in my country the US instead of buy it
and other countries alone. This is not an endorsement of stealing, just a
biopsy of reality.


The only real mini-glitch was that I used the OE in XP account since it
was always open to access newsgroups to send email to archive in folders
when I had important info (phone numbers, tips, etc. I wanted to access
rapidly and that works for me. But while I can access Vista or XP easily
using a shortcut to each on each's desktop by typing the file path in and
simply dragging the folder icon onto the desktop and naming it, I can't
access OE mail or folders from Vista. To resolve that I simply created an
OE folder on the Vista desktop and I used drag and drop to put the essential
emails from OE folders onto the Vista desktop and now they're accessible
with a click.


You can easily merge Outlooks from XP and Vista:

Simply go into Outlook on both operating systems and point Outlook to the
same .pst file as your default delivery location:

1. In Outlook, click on Tools, E-mail Accounts, then click the Next button
2. Click View or Change, then Next
3. In the Delivery New E-mails section,
4. Click the New Outlook Data File button
5. Click OK, then browse to the shared .pst file.
6. Click Ok, then Finish.

OE on WinXP and WinMail on Vista use different storage technologies, so they
can’t point to the same store location. OE uses .dbx files to store e-mails,
while WinMail stores each e-mail as a separate .eml file in the Vista file
system, and includes redundancy.

CH

The following is my opinion and my selection of today's column by a Pulitzer
prize winning author. If you don't want to see it, stop right now and
don't read it. Don't waste time bitching about it. Just spend the energy
reading and forming your own, and if you're American prepare to spend the
next ten years or twenty seeing what's on the news now as to the Middle East
thanks to your current Administration's delusions and Congress' timidity in
forcefully stopping the idiocy.

The superficial US media, particularly TV has found an additional story to
add to the Baby Daddy Anna Nicole saga ( a reflection of the trailer trash
culture that prevails in the poorly educated US) and it is the story of Don
Imus' recent absence from MSNBC, and CBS Radio's Westwood syndication.

What I would like to see beside endless pictures of the Rutgers Basketball
team and their "all of a sudden" outraged Coach and the lock and load media
war on Imus, would be a 24X7 month of the lyrics of the Ipods of the Rutgers
basketball team, the Rutgers student body, and a cross section of those
patrons of Gansta Rap on their ipods.

While Imus used inappropriate language to be sure, since civil, rational
people don't call others "hos" for no reason (and he committed the sin of
picking on the less than powerful and prominent) what is being ignored is
that nearly every Rap artist who uses very derogatory lyrics is backed up by
very powerful record lables or mega conglommerates and those include RCA
associated with the NBC parent GE, and CBS Records.

The lyrics are far more derogatory than the words Imus used, and in one
large city the tune "Back That Azz Up You're a Fine ____" by Junvenile
was the #1 selling title for months on end. A current look at Billboard
reflects the same.

http://www.lyricsfreak.com/j/juvenile/back+that+azz+up_20076776.html

Many large corporations including Amazon, are pleased to make it available
to anyone who can reach a computer connected to the web and pony up the
cash. It is produced by Universal Music Group.

Universal Music Group, aka UMB, a large multinational company is proud to
announce a new agreement with the maker of a new music player called the
Zune. You really have to be a precient insightful detective to discover
that lo and behold, a company called MICROSOFT MAKES THE ZUNE.

http://new.umusic.com/history.aspx

"UMG and Microsoft Corp announce agreement for Zune player."

MSFT is promoting the selling then, of the same derogatory lyrics that got
IMUS off of MSNBC. Does anyone who is bright know what the MS in MSNBC
could possibly stand for besides
Quintissential Hypocrisy??

MSFT embraces promoting Universal Gangsta Rap tunes including "Back That Azz
Up" but NBC kicked Imus off of MS (that'd be MSFT girls and boys) NBC.
Hypocrisy rules.

What is never going to change and should:

1) The proliferation of Rap lyrics that are totally derogatory toward women.
2) The same women who are hypocritically complaining proudly dancing to the
music while singing the lyrics and filling their Ipods with them--yeah a few
have Zunes but I haven't seen many yet until Zune does the usual MSFT song
and dance of getting the features right over a period of several years.
3) Networks media has only a very small percentage of blacks and other
minorities on camera in prominent positions. I have never seen any of the
morning shows have as their principles African Americans to date.


All of this rhetoric about a new dialogue is just specious rhetoric. Things
aren't changing significantly and Imus was made a scape goat as a small
component--much smaller than the Rap lyrics as an offender and it is
halarious to hear Rap artists give their Mickey Mouse arguments that they
are in a different paradigm (no they don't use or know that word).

Two things that won't change are the above, and the fact that American
people will do nothing to stop the murdurous chaos in the midst of a civil
war where mercanaries are selling arms to both Shia and Suni insurgencies
and the American people are getting precisely the situation they disserve
since they and their Congress are utterly passive.

Only a draft will stop the deaths of Americans in Iraq.

From today's NY Times:

MAUREEN DOWD: More Con Than Neo
WASHINGTON

Usually, spring in Washington finds us caught up in the cherry blossoms and
the ursine courtship rituals of the pandas.

But this chilly April, we are forced to contemplate the batrachian
grapplings of Paul Wolfowitz, the man who cherry-picked intelligence to sell
us a war with Iraq.

You will not be surprised to learn, gentle readers, that Wolfie in love is
no less deceptive and bumbling than Wolfie at war.

Proving he is more con than neo, he confessed that he had not been candid
with his staff at the World Bank. While he was acting holier than thou,
demanding incorruptibility from poor countries desperate for loans, he was
enriching his girlfriend with tax-free ducats.

He has yet to admit any real mistakes with the hellish war that claimed five
more American soldiers yesterday, as stunned Baghdad residents dealt with
bombings of the Iraqi Parliament, where body parts flew, and of a bridge
over the Tigris, where cars sank.

But he admitted Thursday that he’d made a mistake when he got his
sweetheart, Shaha Ali Riza, an Arab feminist who shares his passion for
democratizing the Middle East, a raise to $193,590 — more than the taxpaying
(and taxing) Condi Rice makes. No doubt it seemed like small change compared
with the money pit of remaking Iraq — a task he once prophesied would be
paid for with Iraqi oil money. Maybe he should have remunerated his
girlfriend with Iraqi oil revenues, instead of ripping off the bank to
advance his romantic agenda.

No one is satisfied with his apology. Not the World Bank employees who booed
Wolfie and yelled, “Resign! Resign!” in the bank lobby.

Not Alison Cave, the chairwoman of the bank’s staff association, who said
that Mr. Wolfowitz must “act honorably and resign.”

Not his girlfriend, who says she’s the suffering victim, forced by Wolfie’s
arrival to be sent to the State Department (where, in a festival of
nepotism, she reported to Liz Cheney).

And not his critics, who say Wolfie has been cherry-picking again, this time
with his anticorruption crusade. They say he has used it to turn the bank
into a tool for his unrealistic democracy campaign, which foundered in
Baghdad, and for punishing countries that defy the United States.

Wolfie also alienated the bank by bringing two highhanded aides with him
from Bushworld, aides who had helped him with Iraq. One was the abrasive
Robin Cleveland, called Wolfie’s Rottweiler. The other was Kevin Kellems,
known as Keeper of the Comb after his star turn in “Fahrenheit 9/11,” where
he handed his boss a comb so Wolfie could slick it with spittle for TV.
(Maybe his girlfriend didn’t get enough of a raise.) Like W., Wolfie is
dangerous precisely because he’s so persuaded of his own virtue.

Just as Ms. Riza stood behind her man on the Iraq fiasco, so Meghan O’Sullivan
stood behind W.

Ms. O’Sullivan, a bright and lovely 37-year-old redhead who is the deputy
national security adviser, is part of the cordon of adoring and protective
female staffers around the president, including Condi, Harriet Miers, Karen
Hughes and Fran Townsend.

Even though her main experience was helping Paul Bremer set up the botched
Iraq occupation and getting a reputation back in Washington “for not knowing
how much she didn’t know,” as George Packer put it in “The Assassins’ Gate,”
Ms. O’Sullivan was officially promoted nearly two years ago to be the
highest-ranking White House official working exclusively on Iraq and
Afghanistan.

It was clear that she was out of her depth, lacking the heft to deal with
the Pentagon and State Department, or the seniority to level with W.
“Meghan-izing the problem” became a catch phrase in Baghdad for papering
over chaos with five-point presentations.

But W. was comfortable with Meghan, and Meghan-izing, so he reckoned that a
young woman who did not report directly to him or even have the power to
issue orders to agencies could be in charge of an epic bungle, just as he
thought Harriet Miers could be on the Supreme Court.

This vacuum in leadership spawned the White House plan to create a powerful
war czar to oversee Iraq and Afghanistan, who could replace Ms. O’Sullivan
when she leaves. The push to finally get the A-team on the case is
laughably, tragically late.

The Washington Post reported that at least five retired four-star generals
have refused to be considered; the paper quoted retired Marine Gen. Jack
Sheehan as saying, “The very fundamental issue is, they don’t know where the
hell they’re going.” I couldn’t have said it better myself.
 
I often promote VBP to fix a number of boot loader problems for those who don't want to negotiate the more complicated BCDEDIT environment from Vista's cmd line that would take many people about an hour or a little longer to begin to grip, but I've not needed it once dual booting Vista and XP many times. Simply making a partition for Vista after installing XP will work and usually there are no boot loader problems at all.

CH
NOT TRUE.
you can install VistaBootPro on the XP side and fix the Vista boot loader.
VistaBootPro works on both xp and vista.



(e-mail address removed)



So if I have a system that is already loaded with Vista, I can't install XP
 
Do keep in mind that booting into XP will wipe out your restore points and
shadow copies in Vista unless you hide the Vista drive.
 
Absolutely on a dual boot but as we have all discussed extensively, (and I
mentioned). Bit Locker (if you have it) and other mechanisms can prevent
this. Do you know, John, if the method with two HDs that Jeff describes
above avoids this?

CH
 
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