Dual Boot again

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Bill Condie

Hi jimmuh and others on the old Problems Thread:

I know I'm living dangerously, but am amazed that so many people seem to be
dual-booting with no problems.

My Business Upgrade Vista Action Pack arrived today. So I TrueImaged my HD
with XP Pro and an empty Logical partition, then installed Vista on the
Logical partition. I can't find the link, but a guy with a Chinese name
recommended using Logical on a MS page. The Logical partition was created in
XP.

I didn't start up off the CD, but inserted it while running XP and chose the
Advanced installation rather that Upgrade. (I'm surprised Action Pack sent
an Upgrade rather than a full version)

My previous problems don't exist. Yet. Which makes me wonder of my RC2 CD
was flaky. For safety's sake I'm turning off System Restore on XP

I haven't activated yet.

If I activate is that gonna zap my XP Pro?

Will keep you posted re future problems
 
Bill Condie said:
Hi jimmuh and others on the old Problems Thread:

I know I'm living dangerously, but am amazed that so many people seem to
be dual-booting with no problems.

My Business Upgrade Vista Action Pack arrived today. So I TrueImaged my HD
with XP Pro and an empty Logical partition, then installed Vista on the
Logical partition. I can't find the link, but a guy with a Chinese name
recommended using Logical on a MS page. The Logical partition was created
in XP.

I didn't start up off the CD, but inserted it while running XP and chose
the Advanced installation rather that Upgrade. (I'm surprised Action Pack
sent an Upgrade rather than a full version)

My previous problems don't exist. Yet. Which makes me wonder of my RC2 CD
was flaky. For safety's sake I'm turning off System Restore on XP

I haven't activated yet.

If I activate is that gonna zap my XP Pro?

Will keep you posted re future problems
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If the XP Pro was the basis for using an upgrade, then XP's license is
subsumed into the Vista license and cannot be installed in a dual boot.
 
Bill:
Turning off system restore in XP will have no effect on the loss of
restore points or shadow copies in Vista.
 
If the XP Pro was the basis for using an upgrade, then XP's license is
subsumed into the Vista license and cannot be installed in a dual boot.
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That's what I thought too, but it let me install!

Did you read the DUAL BOOTING WITH VISTA UPGRADE EDITIONS thread just above
this?

Strange things going on, including the info that you can actually install an
upgrade as a full version
 
Bill Condie said:
That's what I thought too, but it let me install!

Did you read the DUAL BOOTING WITH VISTA UPGRADE EDITIONS thread just
above this?

Strange things going on, including the info that you can actually install
an upgrade as a full version
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Yes it lets you set up the dual boot, we weren't sure before because the
upgrade editions where not available to test, but now that info has come
out, however, it is still in violation of the license to run a dual boot
with Vista and the qualifying OS.
 
<<it is still in violation of the license to run a dual boot
with Vista and the qualifying OS
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So what do you think MS will do about it?

The EULA has been amended/clarified a few times already
 
: : >> If the XP Pro was the basis for using an upgrade, then XP's license is
: >> subsumed into the Vista license and cannot be installed in a dual boot.
: >
: > That's what I thought too, but it let me install!
: >
: > Did you read the DUAL BOOTING WITH VISTA UPGRADE EDITIONS thread just
: > above this?
: >
: > Strange things going on, including the info that you can actually
install
: > an upgrade as a full version
: >
: >
: > : >> : >>> Hi jimmuh and others on the old Problems Thread:
: >>>
: >>> I know I'm living dangerously, but am amazed that so many people seem
to
: >>> be dual-booting with no problems.
: >>>
: >>> My Business Upgrade Vista Action Pack arrived today. So I TrueImaged
my
: >>> HD with XP Pro and an empty Logical partition, then installed Vista on
: >>> the Logical partition. I can't find the link, but a guy with a Chinese
: >>> name recommended using Logical on a MS page. The Logical partition was
: >>> created in XP.
: >>>
: >>> I didn't start up off the CD, but inserted it while running XP and
chose
: >>> the Advanced installation rather that Upgrade. (I'm surprised Action
: >>> Pack sent an Upgrade rather than a full version)
: >>>
: >>> My previous problems don't exist. Yet. Which makes me wonder of my RC2
: >>> CD was flaky. For safety's sake I'm turning off System Restore on XP
: >>>
: >>> I haven't activated yet.
: >>>
: >>> If I activate is that gonna zap my XP Pro?
: >>>
: >>> Will keep you posted re future problems
: >>
: >>
: >> If the XP Pro was the basis for using an upgrade, then XP's license is
: >> subsumed into the Vista license and cannot be installed in a dual boot.
:
:
: Yes it lets you set up the dual boot, we weren't sure before because the
: upgrade editions where not available to test, but now that info has come
: out, however, it is still in violation of the license to run a dual boot
: with Vista and the qualifying OS.
:
: --
: Rock [MVP - User/Shell]
:

I have never heard of anyone operating two systems at the same time on one
machine.
 
Microsoft has ALWAYS subsumed the qualifying license as the basis for
discounting the upgrade versions. What can be done, and what can be done
legally, are often at odds.
 
Operating is not the operative term. They cannot be installed at the same
time. If you want to uninstall and reinstall each system each time you use
it, you could dual boot legally.
 
Why is it that Collin experimented with the upgrade version and it did allow for a dual boot scenario regardless of what the EULA says?

Bill Condie said:
Hi jimmuh and others on the old Problems Thread:

I know I'm living dangerously, but am amazed that so many people seem to
be dual-booting with no problems.

My Business Upgrade Vista Action Pack arrived today. So I TrueImaged my HD
with XP Pro and an empty Logical partition, then installed Vista on the
Logical partition. I can't find the link, but a guy with a Chinese name
recommended using Logical on a MS page. The Logical partition was created
in XP.

I didn't start up off the CD, but inserted it while running XP and chose
the Advanced installation rather that Upgrade. (I'm surprised Action Pack
sent an Upgrade rather than a full version)

My previous problems don't exist. Yet. Which makes me wonder of my RC2 CD
was flaky. For safety's sake I'm turning off System Restore on XP

I haven't activated yet.

If I activate is that gonna zap my XP Pro?

Will keep you posted re future problems
Click to expand...


If the XP Pro was the basis for using an upgrade, then XP's license is
subsumed into the Vista license and cannot be installed in a dual boot.
 
If someone does this in the privacy of their own home, not in a business situation, are you going to call out Lt. Frank Drebbin of the Police Squad to bust them? So what if it is contrary to the EULA, actions speak louder than words and if Vista installs and activates, then it is up to Microsoft to police their own activation servers, not the user.

Yes it lets you set up the dual boot, we weren't sure before because the
upgrade editions where not available to test, but now that info has come
out, however, it is still in violation of the license to run a dual boot
with Vista and the qualifying OS.
 
William:
What we have is a situation where it's supposed to work a certain way on paper but when applied physically it works differently. Have a great day.

--
Dennis Pack
XP x64, Vista Enterprise x64
Office2007
Why is it that Collin experimented with the upgrade version and it did allow for a dual boot scenario regardless of what the EULA says?

Bill Condie said:
Hi jimmuh and others on the old Problems Thread:

I know I'm living dangerously, but am amazed that so many people seem to
be dual-booting with no problems.

My Business Upgrade Vista Action Pack arrived today. So I TrueImaged my HD
with XP Pro and an empty Logical partition, then installed Vista on the
Logical partition. I can't find the link, but a guy with a Chinese name
recommended using Logical on a MS page. The Logical partition was created
in XP.

I didn't start up off the CD, but inserted it while running XP and chose
the Advanced installation rather that Upgrade. (I'm surprised Action Pack
sent an Upgrade rather than a full version)

My previous problems don't exist. Yet. Which makes me wonder of my RC2 CD
was flaky. For safety's sake I'm turning off System Restore on XP

I haven't activated yet.

If I activate is that gonna zap my XP Pro?

Will keep you posted re future problems
Click to expand...


If the XP Pro was the basis for using an upgrade, then XP's license is
subsumed into the Vista license and cannot be installed in a dual boot.
 
And seems to work diferently for different people :-)

William:
What we have is a situation where it's supposed to work a certain
way on paper but when applied physically it works differently. Have a great
day.

--
Dennis Pack
XP x64, Vista Enterprise x64
Office2007
Why is it that Collin experimented with the upgrade version and it did allow
for a dual boot scenario regardless of what the EULA says?

Bill Condie said:
Hi jimmuh and others on the old Problems Thread:

I know I'm living dangerously, but am amazed that so many people seem to
be dual-booting with no problems.

My Business Upgrade Vista Action Pack arrived today. So I TrueImaged my HD
with XP Pro and an empty Logical partition, then installed Vista on the
Logical partition. I can't find the link, but a guy with a Chinese name
recommended using Logical on a MS page. The Logical partition was created
in XP.

I didn't start up off the CD, but inserted it while running XP and chose
the Advanced installation rather that Upgrade. (I'm surprised Action Pack
sent an Upgrade rather than a full version)

My previous problems don't exist. Yet. Which makes me wonder of my RC2 CD
was flaky. For safety's sake I'm turning off System Restore on XP

I haven't activated yet.

If I activate is that gonna zap my XP Pro?

Will keep you posted re future problems
Click to expand...


If the XP Pro was the basis for using an upgrade, then XP's license is
subsumed into the Vista license and cannot be installed in a dual boot.
 
Ron Sommer said:
"Rock" <[email protected]> wrote
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: "Bill Condie" <[email protected]> wrote
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: >> If the XP Pro was the basis for using an upgrade, then XP's license
is
: >> subsumed into the Vista license and cannot be installed in a dual
boot.
: >
: > That's what I thought too, but it let me install!
: >
: > Did you read the DUAL BOOTING WITH VISTA UPGRADE EDITIONS thread just
: > above this?
: >
: > Strange things going on, including the info that you can actually
install
: > an upgrade as a full version
: >
: >
: > "Rock" <[email protected]> wrote
Click to expand...
: >> "Bill Condie" <[email protected]> wrote
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: >>> Hi jimmuh and others on the old Problems Thread:
: >>>
: >>> I know I'm living dangerously, but am amazed that so many people
seem
to
: >>> be dual-booting with no problems.
: >>>
: >>> My Business Upgrade Vista Action Pack arrived today. So I TrueImaged
my
: >>> HD with XP Pro and an empty Logical partition, then installed Vista
on
: >>> the Logical partition. I can't find the link, but a guy with a
Chinese
: >>> name recommended using Logical on a MS page. The Logical partition
was
: >>> created in XP.
: >>>
: >>> I didn't start up off the CD, but inserted it while running XP and
chose
: >>> the Advanced installation rather that Upgrade. (I'm surprised Action
: >>> Pack sent an Upgrade rather than a full version)
: >>>
: >>> My previous problems don't exist. Yet. Which makes me wonder of my
RC2
: >>> CD was flaky. For safety's sake I'm turning off System Restore on XP
: >>>
: >>> I haven't activated yet.
: >>>
: >>> If I activate is that gonna zap my XP Pro?
: >>>
: >>> Will keep you posted re future problems
: >>
: >>
: >> If the XP Pro was the basis for using an upgrade, then XP's license
is
: >> subsumed into the Vista license and cannot be installed in a dual
boot.
:
:
: Yes it lets you set up the dual boot, we weren't sure before because the
: upgrade editions where not available to test, but now that info has come
: out, however, it is still in violation of the license to run a dual boot
: with Vista and the qualifying OS.
:
: --
: Rock [MVP - User/Shell]
:

I have never heard of anyone operating two systems at the same time on one
machine.
Click to expand...

And so? The EULA doesn't talk about operation, it's installation that's the
issue.
 
If someone does this in the privacy of their own home, not in a business
situation, are you going to call out Lt. Frank Drebbin of the Police Squad
to bust them? So what if it is contrary to the EULA, actions speak louder
than words and if Vista installs and activates, then it is up to Microsoft
to police their own activation servers, not the user.

Yes it lets you set up the dual boot, we weren't sure before because the
upgrade editions where not available to test, but now that info has come
out, however, it is still in violation of the license to run a dual boot
with Vista and the qualifying OS.

If a person has no intergrity to follow something they agreed to, then
that's up to them. It's sad, really, that integrity for some can mean so
little. I can't say what any will do about it. Why are asking me?
 
Why is it that Collin experimented with the upgrade version and it did allow
for a dual boot scenario regardless of what the EULA says?


Bill Condie said:
Hi jimmuh and others on the old Problems Thread:

I know I'm living dangerously, but am amazed that so many people seem to
be dual-booting with no problems.

My Business Upgrade Vista Action Pack arrived today. So I TrueImaged my HD
with XP Pro and an empty Logical partition, then installed Vista on the
Logical partition. I can't find the link, but a guy with a Chinese name
recommended using Logical on a MS page. The Logical partition was created
in XP.

I didn't start up off the CD, but inserted it while running XP and chose
the Advanced installation rather that Upgrade. (I'm surprised Action Pack
sent an Upgrade rather than a full version)

My previous problems don't exist. Yet. Which makes me wonder of my RC2 CD
was flaky. For safety's sake I'm turning off System Restore on XP

I haven't activated yet.

If I activate is that gonna zap my XP Pro?

Will keep you posted re future problems
Click to expand...

If the XP Pro was the basis for using an upgrade, then XP's license is
subsumed into the Vista license and cannot be installed in a dual boot.

You can't figure that one for yourself? What is technically possible, and
what is not allowed by the license agreement are two different things. In
XP, for example, OEM versions are not transferrable to a different computer,
but that doesn't mean there is a technical stop for it. Those without
integrity just lie when calling in for activation.
 
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