drive spins normally, DR pgms do not work.

[HaHaHoHoHeeHee]

I would greatly appreciate any assistance on this problem.

WD 3 gig drive, messed up by incompetent shop. Now installed on
new system as CSL/CS (cable select) as secondary drive.

Most files appear in explorer and are accessible, except that many
give "cannot access drive" errors.

Using GDB, Rescue and PCIfilerecovery, none work. PCIfr appears to
freeze, Rescue does the same and GDB, while not freezing gives a
varying estimate time for the recovery process of 10-20 hours-goes
extremely slowly with many err 10 read LBAs and bad sectors.

Scandisk gets to about 95% of the drive and then gives "finding
crosslinked sectors" and then goes back to 85%. This behavior
appears to be a continuous loop as it never gets past 95% for like
10 minutes.

WD diagnostic software gives "smart status failed at checkpoint 1
and 2-contact tech support for further info.

This is a dell xps 800 mhz dimension, win98se.

Is there any program that will actually work to get the files that
are not accessible on this drive? What is the problem?

 

[Rod Speed]

I would greatly appreciate any assistance on this problem.

WD 3 gig drive, messed up by incompetent shop.

Dunno, it looks more like the drive is dying.

Now installed on new system as CSL/CS
(cable select) as secondary drive.

Most files appear in explorer and are accessible,
except that many give "cannot access drive" errors.

Thats the evidence that the drive is dying.

Using GDB, Rescue and PCIfilerecovery, none work. PCIfr appears
to freeze, Rescue does the same and GDB, while not freezing gives
a varying estimate time for the recovery process of 10-20 hours-goes
extremely slowly with many err 10 read LBAs and bad sectors.

Thats because retrys on bads slow things down dramatically
and thats why the time estimate swings around so much.

Scandisk gets to about 95% of the drive and then gives
"finding crosslinked sectors" and then goes back to 85%.
This behavior appears to be a continuous loop as it never
gets past 95% for like 10 minutes.

WD diagnostic software gives "smart status failed at
checkpoint 1 and 2-contact tech support for further info.

See what the Everest SMART display says.
http://www.lavalys.com/products/overview.php?pid=1&lang=en

This is a dell xps 800 mhz dimension, win98se.

Is there any program that will actually work to
get the files that are not accessible on this drive?

Probably not. Clonedisk from http://www.invircible.com/resq.php
might be worth trying but its not free and you'd need another
physical drive to copy the dying drive contents to.

What is the problem?

The drive is dying.

 

[Bob]

WD 3 gig drive...

Is there any program that will actually work to get the files that
are not accessible on this drive? What is the problem?

Try WD Data Life Guard - free from the WD website.

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[Folkert Rienstra]

I would greatly appreciate any assistance on this problem.

WD 3 gig drive, messed up by incompetent shop. Now installed on
new system as CSL/CS (cable select) as secondary drive.

Most files appear in explorer and are accessible, except that many
give "cannot access drive" errors.

Using GDB, Rescue and PCIfilerecovery, none work. PCIfr appears to
freeze, Rescue does the same and GDB, while not freezing gives a
varying estimate time for the recovery process of 10-20 hours-goes
extremely slowly with many err 10 read LBAs and bad sectors.

Scandisk gets to about 95% of the drive and then gives "finding
crosslinked sectors" and then goes back to 85%. This behavior
appears to be a continuous loop as it never gets past 95% for like
10 minutes.

WD diagnostic software gives "smart status failed at checkpoint 1
and 2-contact tech support for further info.

This is a dell xps 800 mhz dimension, win98se.

Is there any program that will actually work to get the files that
are not accessible on this drive?

What is the problem?

The bad sectors, probably.
It might help if you got rid of them first by running FindBad.
http://www.partitionsupport.com/fbad15.zip

 

[concerned]

(e-mail address removed) (Bob) wrote in server.houston.rr.com:

He already did what you suggested:

"WD diagnostic software gives "smart status failed at checkpoint 1
and 2-contact tech support for further info."

 

[Rod Speed]

Try WD Data Life Guard - free from the WD website.

What part of

are you having a problem with ?

 

[Bob]

He already did what you suggested:

"WD diagnostic software gives "smart status failed at checkpoint 1
and 2-contact tech support for further info."

Then he should contact WD.


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--John Stuart Mill, "On Liberty"

 

[Folkert Rienstra]

Then he should contact WD.

How will that get him his files?

 

[Bob]

How will that get him his files?

How will posting here get him his files?

At least with WD he will be talking to people who know what they are
doing.


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http://home.houston.rr.com/rkba/vrwc.html

"Whatever crushes individuality is despotism."
--John Stuart Mill, "On Liberty"

 

[Rod Speed]

How will posting here get him his files?

Someone other than you may assist him with that.

At least with WD he will be talking to
people who know what they are doing.

Who wont be interested in helping him to get his files back.

Thanks for that completely superfluous proof that you've never
ever had a clue and couldnt bullshit your way out of a wet paper
bag even if your pathetic excuse for a 'life' depended on it.

 

[HaHaHoHoHeeHee]

I took a quick look at WD support page; it looks like they are
charging for email support, but I might have misread it, as I was
in a hurry. I do know you have to register. Maybe I'll try phoning
them, but I'm not optimistic about how long it will take to get
their help.

 

[HaHaHoHoHeeHee]

message

I do not believe their is a physical problem with the drive. It was
perfect before this moron tech got his hands on it and he screwed up
the logical tables, prob. FAT on the drive. The drive still makes no
noise and I can access most of the files. Also I ran checks on the
drive b4 this idiot got his hands on it and it was perfect. What is
needed is a program to find the data and rewrite to another drive.
NONE of the so called data recovery programs work; and I don't think
I want to run my good system 24 hours to see if GDB gets anything.
Same for Spinrite. They are too damn slow. I think Rod's suggestion
that I image the drive is a good one. I think maybe Ghost will do
that and can be set to ignore the bad sector reporting. I will try
it. Ghost also has an explore that allows partial restoration of
files, but the last time I ran my version I could not get it to
accept command line parameters that is SAYS it takes. Lots of
inadequate software out there. :-(


Is there any program that will actually work to get the files

 

[Rod Speed]

I do not believe their is a physical problem with the drive.

That is however what the evidence indicates.

It was perfect before this moron tech got his hands on it and
he screwed up the logical tables, prob. FAT on the drive.

Likely that only happened because the
drive is dying and he didnt realise that.

The drive still makes no noise and I can access most of the files.

Thats a common way for a drive to fail.

Also I ran checks on the drive b4 this
idiot got his hands on it and it was perfect.

A dying drive has to start dying sometime.

What is needed is a program to find the data and rewrite to another
drive. NONE of the so called data recovery programs work;

And thats the evidence that the drive is dying.
They do work fine when the drive isnt dying.

and I don't think I want to run my good system 24
hours to see if GDB gets anything. Same for Spinrite.
They are too damn slow. I think Rod's suggestion
that I image the drive is a good one.

Thats not going to be fast either if the drive is dying. Basically
because clonedisk trys very hard to get the data out of bad sectors.

I think maybe Ghost will do that and can be set
to ignore the bad sector reporting. I will try it.

Yes, that might see the recovery programs run fast enough.
BUT you wont get back what is in the bad sectors.

Ghost also has an explore that allows partial restoration of
files, but the last time I ran my version I could not get it to
accept command line parameters that is SAYS it takes.

You should be using Ghost Explorer for that.

 

[Bob]

I took a quick look at WD support page; it looks like they are
charging for email support, but I might have misread it, as I was
in a hurry. I do know you have to register. Maybe I'll try phoning
them, but I'm not optimistic about how long it will take to get
their help.

I have used WD support and it did not cost me. I got replies in about
1-2 days and they all answered my questions clearly.


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"Whatever crushes individuality is despotism."
--John Stuart Mill, "On Liberty"

 

[HaHaHoHoHeeHee]

message



That is however what the evidence indicates.

Not according to the makers of drivepatch. They state that most of
these sector errors are due to logical errors and not physical
problems with the drive. My experience is that drives show some sign
before going out and that often involves noises. This one did not.

Likely that only happened because the
drive is dying and he didnt realise that.

Have to disagree. Drive was perfect-he did something to it. I will be
suing him after another shop analyzes what he did to the system.

Thats a common way for a drive to fail.

Usually drives develop sector problems before they fail. This one
only had problems after he messed with it. And he stated that he was
getting FAT table errors from it-because he installed it improperly
it the most probably reason; then tried to write to it.

etime.

And thats the evidence that the drive is dying.
They do work fine when the drive isnt dying.to

They, imnsho do not work if they cannot deal with this problem.
Especially if the programs were any good they would offer option to
image and/or option to disregard bad sector errors. And they should
not take 20 hours to do a 3 gig drive. Like much of the software on
the market in general, most of it is crap.

Thats not going to be fast either if the drive is dying.
Basically because clonedisk trys very hard to get the data out
of bad sectors.

There's more than one app that does this; I bet if I look hard enough
I will find a free one, often the free ones are better than the
commercial ones, in my experience because the designer if focused on
quality and not on making a profit.

Yes, that might see the recovery programs run fast enough.
BUT you wont get back what is in the bad sectors.


You should be using Ghost Explorer for that.

Ok, supposedly Spinrite does get much of the bad sector data back,
but I have my doubts. Have you ever used it?

 

[Rod Speed]

Not according to the makers of drivepatch. They
state that most of these sector errors are due to
logical errors and not physical problems with the drive.

They dont say that.

My experience is that drives show some sign before going out

Yes, thats why the SMART system was developed.

and that often involves noises.

And often doesnt.

This one did not.

The evidence is that its dying.

You never did try the Everest SMART stats.

Have to disagree.

Your problem.

Drive was perfect-he did something to it.

Every dying drive has to start dying sometime.

I will be suing him after another shop
analyzes what he did to the system.

You'd be pissing your money against the wall with those symptoms.

Usually drives develop sector problems before they fail.

You've got sector problems.

This one only had problems after he messed with it.

Every dying drive has to start dying sometime.

And he stated that he was getting FAT table errors from it-because he
installed it improperly it the most probably reason; then tried to write to
it.

Irrelevant what he said.

They, imnsho do not work if they cannot deal with this problem.

No software can deal with a dying drive.

Especially if the programs were any good they would offer
option to image and/or option to disregard bad sector errors.

It makes a lot more sense to try to get what you can out of the bad sectors.

And they should not take 20 hours to do a 3 gig drive.

That only happens because retrying on bads takes a lot of time.

Like much of the software on the
market in general, most of it is crap.

Leave what you have produced for dead.

There's more than one app that does this;

Yes, if the drive is dying, there is no magic wand
to wave to get the data out of bad sectors quickly.

I bet if I look hard enough I will find a free one,
Maybe.

often the free ones are better than the commercial
ones, in my experience because the designer if
focused on quality and not on making a profit.

Bet you wont find a free one that gets
your data back off that drive quickly.

Ok, supposedly Spinrite does get much of the bad sector
data back, but I have my doubts. Have you ever used it?

Yes. And it does do a decent job of getting the data out of bad sectors.

It isnt fast when doing that tho. No recovery program is,
retrys with bad sectors slow things down dramatically.

 

[Zvi Netiv]

I would greatly appreciate any assistance on this problem.

WD 3 gig drive, messed up by incompetent shop. Now installed on
new system as CSL/CS (cable select) as secondary drive.

Most files appear in explorer and are accessible, except that many
give "cannot access drive" errors.

Typical to a mapping (geometry) error.

Using GDB, Rescue and PCIfilerecovery, none work. PCIfr appears to
freeze, Rescue does the same and GDB, while not freezing gives a
varying estimate time for the recovery process of 10-20 hours-goes
extremely slowly with many err 10 read LBAs and bad sectors.

Typical to a geometry error.

Scandisk gets to about 95% of the drive and then gives "finding
crosslinked sectors" and then goes back to 85%. This behavior
appears to be a continuous loop as it never gets past 95% for like
10 minutes.

Typical to a geometry error. The last thing you want to do in such event is to
run file system repair software (e.g. SCANDISK, CHKDSK, or NDD). The latter
will perpetuate the error and irreversibly corrupt the file system.

WD diagnostic software gives "smart status failed at checkpoint 1
and 2-contact tech support for further info.

The problem may be genuine (a failing drive) or could be the result of incorrect
HS translation.

This is a dell xps 800 mhz dimension, win98se.

Is there any program that will actually work to get the files that
are not accessible on this drive? What is the problem?

After having read the rest of this thread, I'm afraid that you already missed
the opportunity to recover anything of value from that drive.

Regards, Zvi

 

[Zvi Netiv]

on 23 Jun 2005, "Folkert Rienstra" <[email protected]> wrote

Is there any program that will actually work to get the files

In case the drive is dying then this would be the silliest thing to do.

I do not believe their is a physical problem with the drive. It was
perfect before this moron tech got his hands on it and he screwed up
the logical tables, prob. FAT on the drive. The drive still makes no
noise and I can access most of the files.

Most dying drives do not make noise.

Also I ran checks on the
drive b4 this idiot got his hands on it and it was perfect. What is
needed is a program to find the data and rewrite to another drive.

What was needed was to assess whether the drive is working with the correct
settings, and if it did, then to clone it before it develops too many bad
sectors or becomes inaccessible.

NONE of the so called data recovery programs work; and I don't think
I want to run my good system 24 hours to see if GDB gets anything.
Same for Spinrite. They are too damn slow. I think Rod's suggestion
that I image the drive is a good one. I think maybe Ghost will do
that and can be set to ignore the bad sector reporting. I will try
it. Ghost also has an explore that allows partial restoration of
files, but the last time I ran my version I could not get it to
accept command line parameters that is SAYS it takes. Lots of
inadequate software out there. :-(

The software isn't to blame here.

Regards, Zvi

 

[harveywallbanger]

In case the drive is dying then this would be the silliest thing to do.




Most dying drives do not make noise.

Aren't you the guy who always recommends Clonedisk? Last time I tried to
download that program, I got a "page not found" at their website.
Also, no one ever explains, that I've seen, the process of cloning and
recovery from that. Do you clone to a secondary drive or to cd-rws or
what? If you clone to the primary drive, will that not replace that
drive's data with the junk data from the bad drive? How do you recover
bad sector data from the clone?

 

[harveywallbanger]

Typical to a mapping (geometry) error.




Typical to a geometry error.




Typical to a geometry error. The last thing you want to do in such event is to
run file system repair software (e.g. SCANDISK, CHKDSK, or NDD). The latter
will perpetuate the error and irreversibly corrupt the file system.




The problem may be genuine (a failing drive) or could be the result of incorrect
HS translation.




After having read the rest of this thread, I'm afraid that you already missed
the opportunity to recover anything of value from that drive.

Nothing in his post states that he tried to write to the drive or fix
errors. You seem to have alot of advice as to what the problem is, but
little information on how to fix it? I've notice that your ResQ program
is good for giving alot of mathematical detail and generating arguments
in these newsgroups over what the problem with a drive is, but little,
it seems, in the way of solutions?