Drive Image 7.0: Another Backwards Step in Evolution?

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This post is a sequel to my post of 7/2/2002:
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It seems that with each version of Drive Image that Powerquest
releases, they either: 1) introduce a bug, or 2) make some of the
functionality less desirable.

One of the strengths of Drive Image 7.0 is the ability to backup the
partition hosting %windir% without rebooting into real-mode DOS
(either with Caldera or MS DOS).

BUT... to restore your %windir% partition, you need to boot off the
CD! Or boot off a DOS disk.

And when you do boot off the CD, it boots you into the WinXP command
console and then launches Drive Image 7 where YOU have to MANUALLY
restore the partition (at least in my case I had to do it manually).

What happened to the old way of doing it with previous versions of
Drive Image?

Granted, I don't know much about Powerquest's V2I protection
technology, but why should I upgrade from Drive Image 2002 to Drive
Image 7.0, especially when the restore process is not automated (at
least not for me)?
 
Hello

I do not quite understand your grief here. I use Drive Image 7 and it is
brilliant. It is the only one I have found to date that sees all my RAID,
SATA, USB2 & FireWire devices correctly. I don't quite understand this
"automated" recovery option. I have used Ghost 2003, Drive Image 2002,
Acronis Drive Image etc and don't really recall this option with any of them
and to be quite frank with you I want total control here. The bootable CD is
desinged to restore a image file when your system will not boot which
happened to my RAID 0+1 array after defragging with Norton utilities 2003.
Certainly saved me in that case and I was back up and running within about
10 to 15 minutes. The fact that this works within Windows 2000 & XP itself
is enough reason to buy it let alone the fact that I can schedule backup
jobs to occur automatically and as a multitasking app I can work in Windows
at the same time. If I never have to boot into a DOS mode again I would be
very thankful.

So did you actually have a question here as your post was a bit obtuse and
looked more like a uninformed diatribe than anything that could be deemed
constructive. If there was a question then perhaps you might like to post
again to make it clear what your problem is.

Mark
 
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It seems that with each version of Drive Image that
Powerquest releases, they either: 1) introduce a bug,
or 2) make some of the functionality less desirable.

Or 3), you hate powerquest for some reason and keep
mindlessly raving on like this year after year after year.
One of the strengths of Drive Image 7.0 is the ability to
backup the partition hosting %windir% without rebooting
into real-mode DOS (either with Caldera or MS DOS).

Yep, because that particular approach needs DOS
drivers for the hardware and thats a non trivial problem
with anything more than very bog standard hardware.
BUT... to restore your %windir% partition,
you need to boot off the CD!

Which just happens to be the best approach when repairing
any of the higher performance versions of Win too.
Or boot off a DOS disk.

And they include the previous version of
DI free so you can do that if you want to.
And when you do boot off the CD, it boots you into the WinXP command
console and then launches Drive Image 7 where YOU have to MANUALLY
restore the partition (at least in my case I had to do it manually).

Hardly the end of civilisation as we know it any time soon.
What happened to the old way of doing
it with previous versions of Drive Image?

Its crippled by the need for a DOS driver for the hardware.
Thats a massive problem with the more unusual hardware
thats now widely used for external drives etc.
Granted, I don't know much about
Powerquest's V2I protection technology,

Same considerations apply to restore with it too.

And operating at the Win level allows it to incrementally
backup with Win running, the only way to do a full capability
backup system. BECAUSE it doesnt operate at the DOS level.
but why should I upgrade from Drive Image 2002 to Drive Image 7.0,

No one is holding a gun to your head and forcing you to upgrade.

You can even get real radical and change over to Ghost
and put the boot into powerquest much more effectively than
any whining about powerquest in here will ever achieve.
especially when the restore process
is not automated (at least not for me)?

How often do you restore ? Why does that need to be automated ?
 
Hello

I do not quite understand your grief here. I use Drive Image 7 and it is
brilliant. It is the only one I have found to date that sees all my RAID,
SATA, USB2 & FireWire devices correctly. I don't quite understand this
"automated" recovery option. I have used Ghost 2003, Drive Image 2002,
Acronis Drive Image etc and don't really recall this option with any of them

Poor choice of words on my part. When I restore from DI 2002, it
reboots into real-mode DOS and does its Restore thing. With DI7, I
have to stick in the CD, and then manually choose the options to
commence a Restore.
and to be quite frank with you I want total control here. The bootable CD is
desinged to restore a image file when your system will not boot which

Microsoft's WinPE
(http://www.microsoft.com/licensing/programs/sa/support/winpe.asp)
will do this. I can't recall now, but I think DI7 CD may be actually
using the WinPE engine.

So did you actually have a question here as your post was a bit obtuse and
looked more like a uninformed diatribe than anything that could be deemed
constructive. If there was a question then perhaps you might like to post
again to make it clear what your problem is.

It was more of a rhetorical question and an issue of me wanting to
vent (read: diatribe) , more than anything else.
 
Or 3), you hate powerquest for some reason and keep
mindlessly raving on like this year after year after year.

No, I like their product. I was one of the first pioneers at my
company to use this. Their strengths outweigh their weaknesses, but
there's always just something that makes it less than a perfect
upgrade for me.
Which just happens to be the best approach when repairing
any of the higher performance versions of Win too.

You said the key word here: repair[ing]. Agreed. Using what I suspect
is Microsoft's WinPE engine, it is quite handy to have when
troubleshooting a boot issue. For example, third-party driver file on
NTFS partition got corrupted and there's no copy of it in DLLCache and
it's screwing the boot process. Bad example, I know, since Safe Mode
will effectively bypass that, but you get the idea.

.. But my post never said anything about repairing; I'm just referring
to the issue of booting off a CD to do Restore operations.
And they include the previous version of
DI free so you can do that if you want to

So that brings up an interesting question, then: Can I backup the
%windir% partition with DI7, and then do a Restore using DI2002? Have
my cake and eat it, too?

I would answer my own question and actually try this, but I already
restored my system back to an earlier image.
..
Its crippled by the need for a DOS driver for the hardware.
Thats a massive problem with the more unusual hardware
thats now widely used for external drives etc.

Sort of off topic, but I read that some company has just created a
real-mode USB2.0 driver. Dunno how solidly it works, tho. If they can
make a 1394 driver as well, then I guess DOS will truly never die.
And operating at the Win level allows it to incrementally
backup with Win running, the only way to do a full capability
backup system. BECAUSE it doesnt operate at the DOS level.

So are you saying that it does multiple increment passes in the same
backup session?

How's it getting around the lock on pagefile.sys and hiberfil.sys
anyway?

Actually if you want to point me to a white paper on V2I rather than
answering these [perhaps simple] questions, that would be fine.
No one is holding a gun to your head and forcing you to upgrade.
You can even get real radical and change over to Ghost
and put the boot into powerquest much more effectively than
any whining about powerquest in here will ever achieve.

Rhetorical question. I was really asking for any
reasons/justifications on why I should upgrade. I know that the file
browser is now integrated, and there are some other cosmetic changes,
but I was wondering about the possible differences between V2I and
PQI.
How often do you restore ? Why does that need to be automated ?

I actually run it quite a lot. Once every three days, if not more. I
do beta testing and download other public betas, and I always want to
restore back to a clean image.

Or in this case, after using DI7, instead of doing an Uninstall, I
just restore back to an image previous to the installation of DI7.
 
Poor choice of words on my part. When I restore from
DI 2002, it reboots into real-mode DOS and does its
Restore thing. With DI7, I have to stick in the CD, and
then manually choose the options to commence a Restore.

Thats life. There aint no feasible alternative if you want to avoid
having to have DOS drivers for less than bog standard hardware.

No one is holding a gun to your head and forcing you to
use DI7, just like there wasnt when you ranted about 2002
being significantly worse than the previous version either.

Oddly enough, you do appear to have used 2002 anyway.

Funny that. Rather pathetic, actually.
Microsoft's WinPE
(http://www.microsoft.com/licensing/programs/sa/support/winpe.asp)
will do this. I can't recall now, but I think DI7
CD may be actually using the WinPE engine.

Yep, because thats the approach they chose
to take to avoid having to have DOS drivers for
other than completely bog standard hardware.

No one is holding a gun to your head and forcing you
to use DI7, you're always welcome to keep using 2002.

And those who need the extra capabilitys of DI7
and V2i Protector are welcome to use those instead.

And presumably even you will come to your senses eventually, just
like you did with 2002 previously, after you ranted about that too.
It was more of a rhetorical question and an issue of me
wanting to vent (read: diatribe) , more than anything else.

Yep, you're just another fool who starts frothing at the mouth
whenever anything changes in what you have got used to.
 
No, I like their product.

Then you're likely so stupid that you cant manage to work
out why they had to take the approach you dont like initially.

Maybe you will eventually notice that its a worthwhile improvement,
just like you did with 2002 and that previous rant too.
I was one of the first pioneers at my company to use this.

OK, in that case we will be forced to give you this funky
leather medal, and if you promise not to chuck another silly
little tantrum, we might even spray it with gold paint or sumfin.
Their strengths outweigh their weaknesses, but there's always
just something that makes it less than a perfect upgrade for me.

There might just be a message there.

In spades with your previous mindless rant
about what you claimed were downsides with
2002 which even you did eventually use anyway.
You said the key word here: repair[ing]. Agreed.
Using what I suspect is Microsoft's WinPE engine,

Yep, so Win drivers can be used for
other than very bog standard hardware.

Just like booting the CD is the most viable approach when
repairing any of the higher performance versions of Win too.
it is quite handy to have when troubleshooting a boot issue.
For example, third-party driver file on NTFS partition got
corrupted and there's no copy of it in DLLCache and it's
screwing the boot process. Bad example, I know, since
Safe Mode will effectively bypass that, but you get the idea.
But my post never said anything about repairing; I'm just referring
to the issue of booting off a CD to do Restore operations.

Same considerations apply when you want to support other than
very bog standard hardware which doesnt have DOS drivers.

Thats why DI7 has gone that route, and why it requires 2K or
XP for the image creation as well. In spades with V2i Protector.

If you dont like that approach, you're always
welcome to keep using 2002 for as long as you like.
So that brings up an interesting question, then:
Can I backup the %windir% partition with DI7, and then
do a Restore using DI2002? Have my cake and eat it, too?

Dunno, havent tried that. They do have a trial version available
for download, so you are welcome to try that yourself.
I would answer my own question and actually try this,
but I already restored my system back to an earlier image.

Any one with any sense trys that stuff on a test system.
Sort of off topic, but I read that some company has just created a
real-mode USB2.0 driver. Dunno how solidly it works, tho. If they can
make a 1394 driver as well, then I guess DOS will truly never die.

Completely silly in my opinion. Makes a hell of a lot more
sense to not bother with stupid DOS drivers anymore.

Even you must have noticed how long USB drives have been
available for. Hopeless waiting for a DOS driver for stuff like that.
So are you saying that it does multiple increment passes

Yep. And in that area it leaves its main competitor, Ghost, for dead.
in the same backup session?

Not sure what this is about. By definition incremental
must be with different backup sessions. Thats an
alternative to mindlessly crude full image backups.
How's it getting around the lock on
pagefile.sys and hiberfil.sys anyway?

No point in saving those to the image file.

Even ghost doesnt.
Actually if you want to point me to a white paper on V2I rather than
answering these [perhaps simple] questions, that would be fine.

They're obvious on the powerquest site.

Full manuals and a downloadable trial too.
Rhetorical question. I was really asking for any
reasons/justifications on why I should upgrade.

You did the same thing with 2002 too. And tried to bullshit your
way out of your predicament when your nose was rubbed in your
silly stuff with that, and appear to have eventually come to your
senses with 2002. Maybe the same thing with happen with DI7 too.
I know that the file browser is now integrated, and there
are some other cosmetic changes, but I was wondering
about the possible differences between V2I and PQI.

The main advantage is with other than completely bog standard
hardware and being able to image the Win partition thats currently
been booted from. 2002 cant do either.
I actually run it quite a lot. Once every three days, if not more.
Mad.

I do beta testing and download other public betas,
and I always want to restore back to a clean image.

You're always welcome to continue to use 2002.
Or in this case, after using DI7, instead of doing an Uninstall, I
just restore back to an image previous to the installation of DI7.

You're always welcome to continue to use 2002.

Or come to your senses and realise that if you have done a
manually initiated install of what you are trying, its hardly the
end of civilisation as we know it any time soon to have to
manually initiate the restore of the image you made before that.

Presumably you did eventually manage to work out
how to get around the lack of QuickImage that you
howled about so mindlessly with 2002 previously too.

Now clean up that mess you made when you started
tearing up the carpet in your little tantrum exercise.
 
| This post is a sequel to my post of 7/2/2002:
|
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=e...&selm=RkuU8.381851$352.48420@sccrnsc02&rnum=1
|
| It seems that with each version of Drive Image that Powerquest
| releases, they either: 1) introduce a bug, or 2) make some of the
| functionality less desirable.
|
| One of the strengths of Drive Image 7.0 is the ability to backup the
| partition hosting %windir% without rebooting into real-mode DOS
| (either with Caldera or MS DOS).
|
| BUT... to restore your %windir% partition, you need to boot off the
| CD! Or boot off a DOS disk.
|
| And when you do boot off the CD, it boots you into the WinXP command
| console and then launches Drive Image 7 where YOU have to MANUALLY
| restore the partition (at least in my case I had to do it manually).
|
| What happened to the old way of doing it with previous versions of
| Drive Image?
|
| Granted, I don't know much about Powerquest's V2I protection
| technology, but why should I upgrade from Drive Image 2002 to Drive
| Image 7.0, especially when the restore process is not automated (at
| least not for me)?

DI 7 also requires Microsoft Framework to be installed. What does this do
for me?
 
Thats life. There aint no feasible alternative if you want to avoid
having to have DOS drivers for less than bog standard hardware.

Then people should have mainstream and not cheap hardware. And besides
Gateway and their A20 high-memory issue with some of their machines,
most machines should boot into that Caldera DOS without issue.
Yep, you're just another fool who starts frothing at the mouth
whenever anything changes in what you have got used to.

Well, I'm sorry that you seem to blindly accept any changes and go
with the flow. Are you a conformist? If people started jumping off a
cliff, would you follow, too? Do you not question change? Do you
blindly accept change?
 
You should have fully read what I said, which you didn't.

Wrong. As always.
The strengths outweigh the weaknesses,

Thats nothing like what you said in the
previous mindless rant about DI 2002.

You previously claimed it was hopeless.

http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=RkuU8.381851$352.48420@sccrnsc02
but that doesn't mean it's a perfect product.

Soorree, no such animal exists. And never will either.
In spades with those extra capabilitys for handling
drives which dont have DOS drivers and being able
to image the partition that has been booted from
and to do incremental backups is concerned.
And aside from some of Gateway's machines with the A20 gateway,
there shouldn't be a problem booting into Caldera DOS anyhow.

Pity about the drive hardware that doesnt have DOS drivers.

Pity that by definition you cant do incremental backups of the
boot partition in the background if you have booted to DOS.

You cant see the value in either of those capabilitys ? Your problem.

You're always welcome to continue to use DI 2002.
That's assuming you have another computer system.

You sure you aint one of those rocket scientist dinosaurs ?
And if I were to do formal beta testing,

Never said a word about 'formal beta testing'
then it would be a worthwhile consideration. But with
informal beta testing, I'm not going to spend the money.

Then you get to wear the consequences of that choice.
And it's sort of funny that you criticize people for using
Drive Image in a manner that you don't use it for.

Another lie. I do use it in that manner.
Not that I am doing this, but some companies do automation
testing which necessitate having to restore many times during
a day. So it comes in handy if automation testing is totally
script-driven and reboots/restores need to be unattended.

They're always welcome to continue to use DI 2002 to do that.
Again, another issue where you seem to disagre
with anyone who doesn't conform with using Drive
Image in a manner that you prescribe.

Wrong, as always.

I was just rubbing your silly little nose in the FACT that if
you are using DI like that when trying stuff, you have to
manually install the stuff you are trying to try it, so if you
have to manually initiate the restore after trying it, thats
hardly the end of civilisation as we know it any time soon.

You have to manually initiate the restore even
with DI 2002 anyway, and you are always
welcome to continue to use that if you want to.

Those of use who want or need the extra
capabilitys that come with the flushing
DOS where it belongs get to do that too.
I'm sorry that you seem to blindly accept
change instead of questioning it.

Even you should be able to bullshit your way out
of your predicament better than that pathetic effort.

I dont 'blindly accept change', I consider the
extra capability that comes with the change and
decide that the extra capabilitys are useful, fool.

Just like you eventually did with DI 2002 after you
mindlessly ranted about change when it was released too.
You're not really helping matters.

Your problem. I dont bother to try to 'help' fools like you. Not
a shred of evidence of anything much viable between your ears.
I did ask why I should upgrade -- I am willing to listen

Easy to claim. Anyone can see from this thread and
the previous mindless rant of yours about DI 2002 that
you dont in fact listen at all and just mindlessly rant.

So stupid that you cant even manage to grasp
that I dont do anything even remotely resembling
anything like 'blindly accept change', I consider the
extra capability that comes with the change and
decide that the extra capabilitys are useful, fool.

Its you that mindlessly rants about any change.
and if I like the answers to my questions, I will embrace the upgrade,

You have always been, and always will be, completely and
utterly irrelevant. What you might or might not 'embrace' in spades.
your insults and whatnot notwithstanding (not that it bothers
me; you have to be used to it when you are in the newsgroups).

You have to get used to change with apps too, stupid.
Yeah, I got around it because I had no choice.

Just as true of the latest change too.

Doesnt stop you chucking a tantrum tho.
 
| > DI 7 also requires Microsoft Framework to be installed. What does this
do
| > for me?
|
| Basically ensures a decent cashflow for powerquest that
| is what funds improvements to DI and V2i Protector etc.

DI 7 improves PQ cash flow. What does Framework do?
 
Why don't you go suck Jesus Christ's dick? Even that overrated son of
a whore (the "Virgin" Mary) is better than you.

Uh, I believe you're confusing Mary and Mary Magdalene. If you're just
trolling then ignore this.
 
Since you seem to delight in insults and calling names, I guess I'll
have to sink to your level.

Actually, you seem to be like a tired old man -- an embittered old man
-- who does nothing else but habitate these newsgroups. If anything
doesn't go your way, you jump on other people. S

Some people in this newsgroup seem to like you. Some others don't,
claiming you are overrated. I have to agree. You are overrated like
that bastard Jesus Christ.

Jesus Christ who hasn't done a thing in 2 thousand years (cuz he's
dead!) and yet people speak glowing words about that stupid son of a
bitch.

Similar to you, in fact.
I dont 'blindly accept any changes', I've actually
got a clue and can see the reason for the changes,
so DI no longer requires DOS drivers for anything
that isnt completely bog standard hardware wise,
and can image the partition thats currently been
booted from, and can do incremental backups
in the background while the system is being used.

You're so stupid that you cant see the advantages
in the changed approach ? Your problem.

Not everyone cares about incremental backups.
 
Some pathetic excuse for a bullshit artist desperately cowering behind
just the puerile shit any 3 year old could leave for dead.

Try harder, ****wit. You might actually
manage to wow someone, sometime.
 

I did? I don't recall saying that. I said I was very disappointed in
it. That doesn't mean it was hopeless. It's like a kid who gets in
serious trouble and the parents are very disappointed in him, but they
don't necessarily give up on him.
Pity about the drive hardware that doesnt have DOS drivers.

You really want to do an on-the-fly backup directly to removable
media? You should backup to another partition and then copy it to
removable media. What if someone accidentally kicks out the USB2 or
1394 cable? Then you get to start it all over. But if you backup to
partition first, then you at least still have the created image file.

You sure you aint one of those rocket scientist dinosaurs ?

This is where you seem to be too ****ing set in your own ways. There's
nothing wrong with using multiple image files -- one of a very clean
WinXP system with no third-party drivers or software installed, and
other image files that contain a flavor of programs installed.

Well, that just goes to show how ignorant you are of some customer
needs -- some customers may want to do automation testing, and they
may need to restore several times a day. Some people like to start the
Restore function from the DI interface and then walk away after
clicking OK, and let DI do its thing.

Now they need to babysit the machine some extra steps.
They're always welcome to continue to use DI 2002 to do that.

Oh, is that your answer. "Just use the earlier product." Well, I
suppose that's going to have to be the way it will be.
I dont 'blindly accept change', I consider the
extra capability that comes with the change and
decide that the extra capabilitys are useful, fool.

Yet you shoot down others who disagree with your viewpoint. Tired old
man.
Your problem. I dont bother to try to 'help' fools like you. Not
a shred of evidence of anything much viable between your ears.

I don't see anytihng different with you. You're just overrated and
incorrectly revered, just like God's lapdog Jesus Christ. That dumb
bastard and you should go rot in hell.
Easy to claim. Anyone can see from this thread and
the previous mindless rant of yours about DI 2002 that
you dont in fact listen at all and just mindlessly rant.

Supposition. You're ****ing full of shit. Input from the others in
that old thread helped me decide to stay with DI2002.
So stupid that you cant even manage to grasp
that I dont do anything even remotely resembling
anything like 'blindly accept change', I consider the
extra capability that comes with the change and
decide that the extra capabilitys are useful, fool.

Its you that mindlessly rants about any change.

You're a crotchety old man. Jesus goddamned Christ.
You have always been, and always will be, completely and
utterly irrelevant. What you might or might not 'embrace' in spades.

Why do you spent time in the newsgroups? You've been hanging around
this newsgroup for at least a year. Don't you have anything better to
do? Jesus on the cross.

[/End Insults and Name-calling]
 
Try harder, ****wit. You might actually
manage to wow someone, sometime.


Why don't you go suck Jesus Christ's dick? Even that overrated son of
a whore (the "Virgin" Mary) is better than you.
 
Some pathetic excuse for a bullshit artist desperately cowering behind
just the puerile shit any 3 year old could leave for dead.

Try harder, ****wit. You might actually
manage to wow someone, sometime.
 
I did? I don't recall saying that.

Even you should be able to reread that mindless rant again.
I said I was very disappointed in it.

No one was holding a gun to your head and forcing you to use it.
That doesn't mean it was hopeless. It's like a kid who gets
in serious trouble and the parents are very disappointed in
him, but they don't necessarily give up on him.

Pathetic, really.
You really want to do an on-the-fly
backup directly to removable media?

Quite a few do. It is in fact one of the most
convenient approaches when doing a safety
image before working on a system.
You should backup to another partition
and then copy it to removable media.

Mindless stuff. That requires enough space, and when
doing a safety image before working on a system, it
may not even have a separate partition to write the
image to, let alone enough space for that approach.
What if someone accidentally kicks out the USB2 or 1394 cable?

Even you should be able to manage to restart it in that
unlikely event. Pointless always creating the image on
an internal drive for that extremely unlikely situation.
Then you get to start it all over.

Hardly the end of civilisation as we know it any time soon.
But if you backup to partition first, then you
at least still have the created image file.

What if someone kicks out the power cord ?

Game, set and match.
This is where you seem to be too ****ing set in your own ways.

Best get your seems machinery seen to then.
There's nothing wrong with using multiple image files

There's even less wrong with a test system which allows
things to be tried without molesting the main system.
-- one of a very clean WinXP system with no third-party
drivers or software installed, and other image files that
contain a flavor of programs installed.

I do that, on the test system. And
a lot more than just two images too.
Well, that just goes to show how ignorant
you are of some customer needs

Or demonstrates in spades what a pathetic
excuse for a bullshit artist you have always been.

Couldnt even bullshit your way out of a wet paper bag
even if your pathetic excuse for a 'life' depended on it.
-- some customers may want to do automation testing,
and they may need to restore several times a day.

They're always welcome to use DI 2002 for
that if DI 7 has some downsides in that area.
Some people like to start the Restore function
from the DI interface and then walk away after
clicking OK, and let DI do its thing.

They're always welcome to use DI 2002 for
that if DI 7 has some downsides in that area.
Now they need to babysit the machine some extra steps.

Wrong. As always. They're always welcome to use DI
2002 for that if DI 7 has some downsides in that area.

Its included on the CD, stupid.
Oh, is that your answer. "Just use the earlier product."
Well, I suppose that's going to have to be the way it will be.

You could always try chucking another tantrum and get
precisely the same result from powerquest, an obscene
gesture in your general direction, just like you got when
you chuck that other tantrum about DI 2002 previously.

You could even get real radical and use the competitor's
product, tell powerquest you have done that, and watch
the suits start pouring from their windows like lemmings
when they realise that you dont like their product etc.
Yet you shoot down others who disagree with your viewpoint.

Just terminal ****wits such as yourself, child.

Reams of your pathetic attempts at insults any 3 year
old could leave for dead flushed where they belong.
 
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