drive destruction by insertion

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Maria Ripanykhazova

I am hoping there isn't something obvious I am missing here: I am trying to
use some spare 2.5 inch drives (which I got out of a couple of laptops) in a
desktop and bought a straight converter to do this: The rest of the laptops
were completely destroyed, mainboard, screen batt, everything

I connected up a 12 gig drive on the primary chain and it worked perfectly.
The other one (a 30 gig one) I put on the secondary chain and I got nothing
whatsoever reported at all. I DID set the BIOS to autodetect as it was
probably set for only recognising a CDROM but still nothing. It was marked
as a primary and I was using it (possibly as a secondary?) with no
jumpering. So I took it out and removed the CDROM so it could only be a
primary. Still nothing:

Eventually I took the drive out and it is myseriously rattling.

They both say 5 volts although the 2.5 says 1 amp while 3.5 are only rated
at something like a half an amp? But this cant be causing destruction of the
drive. I am absolutely positive the drive was working before (I put the
drive in another enclosure and connected it to a Mac and it worked perfectly
and I transferred a mpeg file onto it which I have now lost)

Anyone know what is going on? It ISNT anything to do with Static and I did
check to make sure i was putting it in the right way around (the same way as
the 12 gig drive)? I might think it is something to do with el cheapo 2.5
to 2.5 inch converters but the other drive does work in the position? I did
ask around Edgeware Road in London where the converter came from but no one
seemed to know what could possibly be causing this.

MR
 
In comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.storage Maria Ripanykhazova said:
I am hoping there isn't something obvious I am missing here: I am trying to
use some spare 2.5 inch drives (which I got out of a couple of laptops) in a
desktop and bought a straight converter to do this: The rest of the laptops
were completely destroyed, mainboard, screen batt, everything
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I connected up a 12 gig drive on the primary chain and it worked perfectly.
The other one (a 30 gig one) I put on the secondary chain and I got nothing
whatsoever reported at all. I DID set the BIOS to autodetect as it was
probably set for only recognising a CDROM but still nothing. It was marked
as a primary and I was using it (possibly as a secondary?) with no
jumpering. So I took it out and removed the CDROM so it could only be a
primary. Still nothing:
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Eventually I took the drive out and it is myseriously rattling.
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That may be normal. Some IBM notebook HDDs have even a warning
on the label saying that rattling is normal and acceptable.
They both say 5 volts although the 2.5 says 1 amp while 3.5 are only rated
at something like a half an amp?
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No, tne 3.5" ones draw far more power but they run most stuff
from the 12V input they have. However 5V @ 1A sounds like a maximum
spin-up rating.
But this cant be causing destruction of the
drive. I am absolutely positive the drive was working before (I put the
drive in another enclosure and connected it to a Mac and it worked perfectly
and I transferred a mpeg file onto it which I have now lost)
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Anyone know what is going on? It ISNT anything to do with Static and I did
check to make sure i was putting it in the right way around (the same way as
the 12 gig drive)? I might think it is something to do with el cheapo 2.5
to 2.5 inch converters but the other drive does work in the position? I did
ask around Edgeware Road in London where the converter came from but no one
seemed to know what could possibly be causing this.
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There are some converters you can put in the wrong way round. That can
blow up the disk. However if you are sure than that is of course not
the problem.

Can you try it on the MAC again? This sounds more like a problem
with the PC or interface to me. The disk may still be perfectly fine.

And please post what disk model it is. Best also for the other
drive.

Arno
 
Arno Wagner said:
spin-up rating.
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Yes, that is probably what it is, not an indication of destruction.
There are some converters you can put in the wrong way round. That can
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blow up the disk. However if you are sure than that is of course not the
problem.


Yes, this IS one of them and I did check with the manuf who assured me that
label up and wording on the connector up is correct (and it works on the
drive which came out of the Toshiba )
The disk may still be perfectly fine.
But it wont read in the computer in any way whatsoever and however I
configure the BIOS and on two computers
And please post what disk model it is.
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It is an IBM Travelstar 30 Gig 4200rpm IC25NO. Is there any obvious reason
why it should not work? I called IBM and they said it was obviously a
problem with the drive which I am beginning not to believe but their T S
WOULDN'T call me back despite their promise to do so

Best also for the other drive.(not sure about that one at the moment until
I get the other unit back)
 
In comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.storage Maria Ripanykhazova said:
Yes, that is probably what it is, not an indication of destruction.
blow up the disk. However if you are sure than that is of course not the
problem.

Yes, this IS one of them and I did check with the manuf who assured me that
label up and wording on the connector up is correct (and it works on the
drive which came out of the Toshiba )
The disk may still be perfectly fine.
But it wont read in the computer in any way whatsoever and however I
configure the BIOS and on two computers
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So? Before you decide the disk was damaged, check it in a system where
it is known to work. Everything else is speculation. Notebook HDDs
are more rugged than normal ones.

It is an IBM Travelstar 30 Gig 4200rpm IC25NO. Is there any obvious reason
why it should not work? I called IBM and they said it was obviously a
problem with the drive which I am beginning not to believe but their T S
WOULDN'T call me back despite their promise to do so
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Don't expcet too much from tech support.

Arno
 
Might be worth looking at how this drive is jumpered (or have you done
that - not clear?).

I have known a few 2.5 drives set to CS not to get detected when fitted
in a desktop.

Have just looked at a couple of IBM 2.5 drives (albeit rather older
vintage than yours), and to set to primary there is no jumper fitted.

HTH


Vaughan
 
No, this one has no jumpers on it and it says that it therefore a master: I
did try the drive in an M700 Armada on which I had previously installed an
OS and the ocmputer wont even turn on, which with an M700 is an indication
that there is no drive in it (Meaning that the drive is dead)

I wonder if there could be anything (I know that LBA used to do this but I
am using it in a P111 733 designed for such a size so it obvoiusly cant be
LBA) which would prevent a 30 gig 2.5 drive being seen in a desktop
deisnged for 3.5 drives? No one seems to know of anything
 
Maria Ripanykhazova said:
It is an IBM Travelstar 30 Gig 4200rpm IC25NO. Is there any obvious
reason why it should not work?
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Yes. IBM had a bad patch with their hard drives, which were failing
left right and centre. So bad that they got out of hard drive
manufacture altogether.
 
Maria Ripanykhazova said:
No, this one has no jumpers on it and it says that it therefore a master: I
did try the drive in an M700 Armada on which I had previously installed an
OS and the ocmputer wont even turn on, which with an M700 is an indication
that there is no drive in it (Meaning that the drive is dead)

I wonder if there could be anything (I know that LBA used to do this but I
am using it in a P111 733 designed for such a size so it obvoiusly cant be
LBA) which would prevent a 30 gig 2.5 drive being seen in a desktop
deisnged for 3.5 drives? No one seems to know of anything
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Hmmm. Just a couple of thoughts then... Has the drive been put back in
the machine it came from, and in which it was working (not the M700?).
Depending on that, try running the IBM HDD diagnostic software on it
(obtainable from their web site). If it really is dead, then maybe it
was just about to expire, despite the fact it was working in the
original machine...
 
Has the drive been put back in
the machine it came from, and in which it was working (not the M700?).
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Cant do that any more as I chucked the old wheezer: But I did install XP in
the M700 on this drive and it worked perfectly and now it wont even read a
drive ID
Depending on that, try running the IBM HDD diagnostic software on it
(obtainable from their web site).
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No drive checking software can even see the drive

It seems to be a newer Hitachi provided drive: Are the unreliable IBM drives
marked HGST?
 
Yes. IBM had a bad patch with their hard drives, which were failing
left right and centre. So bad that they got out of hard drive
manufacture altogether.
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Did not affect the notebook HDDs, only the desktop "Deskstar"
(a.k.a. "deathstar").

Arno
 
Arno Wagner said:
Did not affect the notebook HDDs, only the desktop "Deskstar"
(a.k.a. "deathstar").
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So why did the IBM Travelstar in my Dell laptop die the other week?
 
In comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.storage thoss said:
So why did the IBM Travelstar in my Dell laptop die the other week?
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Because there is a certain rate of death in well-engineered and
manufactured devices as well? HDDs are not 100% reliable devices
and will likely not be for the forseeable future. One of the reasons
I think laptops are not ready to be desktop-replacements toay:
no possibility to put in asecond HDD and do RAID.

Arno
 
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