Don't buy HP all-in-one for Windows

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I bought two HP OfficeJet All-in-one 5510 printers. Big mistake. Here's
why.

I installed the first one on a machine with WinXP. The install went fine.
The only problem is that the install is huge (~400MB) and it sets up a small
application to run all the time.

I tried to install the other printer on a Win2K computer. It failed. I've
now spent about 10 hours and I've contact T/S several times but it still
won't install. T/S has always responded within 24 hours, but their answers
are always just 'uninstall' and 're-install'. The web site was slow and
unhelpful. At this point, I'd just like to get a basic driver installed so I
can print, but this is impossible. It seems that the install process for
these printers is a massive, complicated, black-box, and if it doesn't work
there is nothing you can do. So I would recommend against getting one of
these printers.

The great irony is that - while searching the web for help - I happened to
come across Linux support for these printers that was exactly what I was
looking for. The site had drivers without all the other stuff, the support
was much more detailed, and there appeared to be intelligent and helpful
people answering questions. I say this is ironic because nominally the
printer isn't supported in Linux.

Tom.
 
On Thu, 15 Jan 2004 05:57:11 GMT, Tom wrote:

=>I tried to install the other printer on a Win2K computer. It failed. I've
=>now spent about 10 hours and I've contact T/S several times but it still
=>won't install. T/S has always responded within 24 hours, but their answers
=>are always just 'uninstall' and 're-install'. The web site was slow and
=>unhelpful. At this point, I'd just like to get a basic driver installed so I
=>can print, but this is impossible. It seems that the install process for
=>these printers is a massive, complicated, black-box, and if it doesn't work
=>there is nothing you can do. So I would recommend against getting one of
=>these printers.

The problem is that W2K will not properly update the
registry when you "uninstall" any device. In fact
uninstalling a device can be a real PITA. "Uninstall" is a
laughable misnomer, IMO. I don't know whether this serious
design flaw has been fixed in XP - from what I've heard, I
doubt it.

If you had some other printer installed before this one,
you must eliminate _all_ references to it. That requires
using regedit (you can search for the other printer's name,
etc), and judicious deletion of files and even folders that
contain printer related files. Note that some of these
files will not delete the first time round, as W2K is still
loading them at boot, and locking them. I found it took
three go-rounds to eliminate all references to the Epson
that I removed. NB: make sure that the files you delete are
printer specific - you don't want to delete W2K's printer
support system.

I would also look for and eliminate all references to the
HP printer before reinstalling it.

All this must be done with the printer unplugged from the
computer, o'wise W2K's HW wizard may decide it knows what
to do - and it often doesn't, unfortunately. And when you
reinstall the printer, avoid using the HW wizard - if it
starts, exit it, and start HP's own installation program.
NB that if this is a USB printer, you will probably have to
start the installation with the printer unplugged, and plug
it in at some later point in the process. I've found that
following such steps is absolutely essential - I tried
installing a USB connected scanner w/o doing exactly as
told, and had some troubles.

Finally, do a custom install, if HP's install program
offers that option. There is no need to install all the
software add-ons that an automatic install dumps on your
HD. But read the help carefully, so that you know what you
don't need.

HTH&GL
 
Wolf Kirchmeir said:
On Thu, 15 Jan 2004 05:57:11 GMT, Tom wrote:

=>I tried to install the other printer on a Win2K computer. It failed. I've
=>now spent about 10 hours and I've contact T/S several times but it still
=>won't install. T/S has always responded within 24 hours, but their answers
=>are always just 'uninstall' and 're-install'. The web site was slow and
=>unhelpful. At this point, I'd just like to get a basic driver installed so I
=>can print, but this is impossible. It seems that the install process for
=>these printers is a massive, complicated, black-box, and if it doesn't work
=>there is nothing you can do. So I would recommend against getting one of
=>these printers.

The problem is that W2K will not properly update the
registry when you "uninstall" any device. In fact
uninstalling a device can be a real PITA. "Uninstall" is a
laughable misnomer, IMO. I don't know whether this serious
design flaw has been fixed in XP - from what I've heard, I
doubt it.

If you had some other printer installed before this one,
you must eliminate _all_ references to it. That requires
using regedit (you can search for the other printer's name,
etc), and judicious deletion of files and even folders that
contain printer related files. Note that some of these
files will not delete the first time round, as W2K is still
loading them at boot, and locking them. I found it took
three go-rounds to eliminate all references to the Epson
that I removed. NB: make sure that the files you delete are
printer specific - you don't want to delete W2K's printer
support system.

I would also look for and eliminate all references to the
HP printer before reinstalling it.

Thanks for the response.

Yes, truly uninstalling a device is very difficult. One of the big problems
is that Windows keeps a copy of the INF file around. This is by design but
I think it is a poor design. So, after I uninstall something I then find
the associated INF files and delete them (and then rebuild the INF
database).

In this case, when I contact T/S they sent me a link to the special
uninstaller program that is hidden on the CD rom that comes with the
printer. It deletes tons of stuff in the registry. But even after this I
still had the same, original, problem.

You mention avoiding the 'found new hardware' wizard. That is the problem.
During the install process, while the HP install program is running, the
wizard pops up. When that happens I'm toast - there is nothing I can do.
So I wonder why this happens? I'm following all the instructions to a 'T'.

Unfortunately, there is no custom install option. Just the big black box.

Tom.
 
This might answer my difficulty. I have an HP all-in-one - works fine
with WinXP but I've tried Linux and been unable to find a driver.
Could you point me to the URL for the driver you found please?

Ken
 
I bought two HP OfficeJet All-in-one 5510 printers. Big mistake. Here's
why.

I installed the first one on a machine with WinXP. The install went fine.
The only problem is that the install is huge (~400MB) and it sets up a small
application to run all the time.

I tried to install the other printer on a Win2K computer. It failed. I've
now spent about 10 hours and I've contact T/S several times but it still
won't install. T/S has always responded within 24 hours, but their answers
are always just 'uninstall' and 're-install'. The web site was slow and
unhelpful. At this point, I'd just like to get a basic driver installed so I
can print, but this is impossible. It seems that the install process for
these printers is a massive, complicated, black-box, and if it doesn't work
there is nothing you can do. So I would recommend against getting one of
these printers.

I was given a PSC2410 for Christmas. I had no problems installing it on
Win2K. I went through Startup and the Run key in the registry and removed
most of the unnecessary startup programs. There is a download that removes
the component manager, which doesn't seem to be needed either. I only left
the 'Digital Imaging Software' running as it seems to speed things up a
bit and seems necessary for the computer to automatically kick up some
programs when you hit the function keys on the printer.
 
Andrew Rossmann said:
I was given a PSC2410 for Christmas. I had no problems installing it on
Win2K. I went through Startup and the Run key in the registry and removed
most of the unnecessary startup programs. There is a download that removes
the component manager, which doesn't seem to be needed either. I only left
the 'Digital Imaging Software' running as it seems to speed things up a
bit and seems necessary for the computer to automatically kick up some
programs when you hit the function keys on the printer.


I've got a 5510 and have the opposite problem. It installs fine on a
win2k or win 98 box, but with my home version of XP it won't install.
The install goes about 11% and then issues a fatal error. I've called
HP T/S about a half dozen times now with no resolution. I've got yet
another call coming from them that is supposed to do it. From what
I've read, it's a problem (ever increasing?) across their all-in-one
line.
 
Tom said:
I bought two HP OfficeJet All-in-one 5510 printers. Big mistake. Here's
why.

I installed the first one on a machine with WinXP. The install went fine.
The only problem is that the install is huge (~400MB) and it sets up a small
application to run all the time.

I tried to install the other printer on a Win2K computer. It failed. I've
now spent about 10 hours and I've contact T/S several times but it still
won't install. T/S has always responded within 24 hours, but their answers
are always just 'uninstall' and 're-install'. The web site was slow and

This is the modern "aspirin tablet" of our time... Patient feels not well?
Take aspirin first, maybe it will be better.

This drives me nuts as well. I tend to say *always* to the support
people: "I tried than to reinstall the software, to no avail," or
something similar. I have a support drama with Linksys'ses wireless
network. We ended up with a cable running across our living area...

Thomas
 
HP eventually escalated my problem until I was working
directly with a guy over the phone, instead of e-mailing
back and forth. I'm glad I gave HP a temporary e-mail address,
because I have gotten three spam emailings via that temp address
and I have now disabled it.

# --------------------------------------------------------------------
# The initial install went fine. Here are the subsequent problems
# I had:
# --------------------------------------------------------------------

Everything seems to work eventually, but certain items keep
getting auto-reinstalled- see below.

Each and *every* time a *new* image is transfered to the gallery
the following two popups appear:

popup window w/title: Creative Projects
window text contents:
- Please wait while windows configures
creative projects.
- gathering required information ..

popup window w/title:
Microsoft Data Access Components
window text contents:
- Extracting: {same series of file
names flash up each time}

This is very annoying, it takes about 30 sec or so for the two popups
to go away. Each time they appear they are apparently doing the the
same set of tasks as before. When scanning a new image this is not
so bad, but when loading images off a digital camera this may delay
the process by over 10 minutes.

# --------------------------------------------------------------------
# HP help and my own steps that did *not* fix problem
# --------------------------------------------------------------------

I was instructed to uninstall the software and reinstall.
This was a tedious 4 step process requiring that you run
(if I recall correctly) :

uninstall.bat 1
uninstall.bat 2
uninstall.bat 3
uninstall.bat 4

where uninstall.bat is below a utility dir somewhere on the
original CD. I suggest you explicitly provide the number
as shown above, otherwise you may not get the uninstall
level you want since they leave a tempfile on your system
and that can confuse uninstall.bat - trust me, I learned
the hard way.

I also tried upgrading the driver, by downloading a Jan 2004
version I found on their website. This of course required
the above 4 step uninstall, and the better part of another
Sunday morning.

HP told me to try loading

Microsoft security patch m04-003 ( enu_q832483_mdac_x86.exe )

This was no help.

# ====================================================================
# Run folder / Registry Trick that finally worked!
# ====================================================================

Everything that I did here was as the "administrator" user.

HP asked that I uninstall again. They hinted that a "level 1",
"level 2" uninstall would be sufficient, but I did all 4 steps.

I was instructed to follow:

http://h20015.www2.hp.com/hub_search/document.jhtml?lc=en&docName=bps05697

I tried out the process above on a "crash and burn" PC running
w2k, and found the process touchy, I could not reliably re-name the
backup folder back to "Run". Microsoft seemed to auto create this folder
(albeit invisible) before I could do the rename.

Here's the solution I used: I in-effect NOP'd, or commented out
each item in the Run folder. Personally I feel my approach is
safer, as long as your careful. The registry folder I'm refering to is

HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Run

For example one of the REG_SZ items I have in this folder on my box
at home is named "AVG_CC" (anti-virus), and it contains the string:

D:\opt\Grisoft\AVG6\avgcc32.exe /STARTUP

I used regedit to prepend a simple "do nothing" command:

cmd /c rem D:\opt\Grisoft\AVG6\avgcc32.exe /STARTUP

This effectively "comments out, or rems out" that item.
I did this for all the REG_SZ items in my Run folder. When I
then logged out and logged back in I saw a DOS window flash up
and vanish, for each of my edits. You might try this on
just one item, log out, logon and notice the momentary
DOS window on logon, and that your task bar
has one less item on it. To get confidence you could then
undo what you did by deleting the "cmd /c rem " string
in the item, then logout/login and all should be back to normal.

To summarize: I prepended "cmd /c rem " to each REG_SZ items
in my Run folder, then I logged out and logged back in.

Warning: (Microsoft?) has some robotic watcher software that will
undo your changes to the string "mobsync.exe /logon", I think the
item name was "Synchronization Manager". I just accepted this,
you probably should just leave that item alone.

Next I stopped and disabled all services that I knew were the
result of software I had installed.

I probably rebooted, just prior to the install.
Finally I re-installed the HP printer software (the Jan 2004 version),
and it works fine!!

Of course I went back and re-enabled/restarted the services,
and removed the "cmd /c rem " from each item in the Run folder.

# ********************************************************************
# my rant
# ********************************************************************

WHY WHY WHY does the install run without error,
HP should write their installer so that it detects problems,
and unistalls itself when it fails! All my installs
were smooth wih no indication of a problem. :-<

Alternatively the install should be more modular, so that
only the successful modules are loaded, and a full uninstall
would not be required. Bare in mind that the installer
is about 400MB, and the uninstall/reinstall process takes
a good 2 hours on a reasonably fast box.
 
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